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 Turtles, Terrapins and Tortoises V5

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g r a p e k e y
post Jun 20 2010, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 20 2010, 04:23 PM)
err... do they even have a water setup to live in? those are turtles, i'm kind of at a lost when you mentioned that they are dry.
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yes they do.. but they like to be on the rocks most of the time..and only during meal time, they'll go down into the water but recently, my female turtle is not eating anything.. Her head is weak..even one of her eyes cannot open? She used to be very active .. icon_question.gif

If I feed her food to her mouth, how many pallets should I give? She hasn't been eating for 2 days.


Added on June 20, 2010, 5:04 pmcan someone let me know how many pallets maximum? i fed 4 just now ( some would overflow out from her mouth)

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post Jun 20 2010, 05:29 PM

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stoppp!! RES could not swallow properly out of water, they have fixed tongue. put her in water now - she might choke to death!

put it in quarantine, raise the water temperature to 30 celcius, give some liquid electrolyte, hope for the best.

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post Jun 20 2010, 05:33 PM

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oh okok thanks.


Added on June 20, 2010, 5:48 pm
QUOTE(camillenoir @ Jun 20 2010, 05:29 PM)
stoppp!! RES could not swallow properly out of water, they have fixed tongue.  put her in water now - she might choke to death!

put it in quarantine, raise the water temperature to 30 celcius, give some liquid electrolyte, hope for the best.
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ok thanks again.. smile.gif .. appreciates~!!

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aiyak..thats turtle..need water..better eat in the water..follow what camillenoir said..increase the temp,maybe can use bulb..gve them sunbath,they sure like it.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 20 2010, 11:17 PM

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So it seems still nothing major on the wildlife side. This is getting a bit frustrating. just gotta see end of the month then. Keep posting if u guys hear anything smile.gif thanks
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post Jun 20 2010, 11:27 PM

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Hi, just want to share...

I have mine having the same symptons (closed & swollen eyes, bubbling, not eating) about 3 months ago. At that time, that turtle has been with me for 8 months (from a hatchling of 1.5" size).

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I soaked s/he in slightly salted lukewarm water twice a day, for about 10mins each time. I kept the basking light on to maintain the temperature. Took about a week for the eyes to be back to normal, then the appetite came back. Took longer (almost a month) for the bubbling to be totally gone.

I am noob too, not sure whether those were the correct things I should do. But, somehow I managed to get s/he recovered. Thank god s/he is back to normal now. And, hope your little will recover soon.

P/S: And as camillenoir advised, you must quarantine the sick one from others so that your other guys will not get infected.

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Added on June 20, 2010, 11:51 pm
QUOTE(vivtch @ Jun 20 2010, 11:27 PM)
Hi, just want to share...

I have mine having the same symptons (closed & swollen eyes, bubbling, not eating) about 3 months ago.  At that time, that turtle has been with me for 8 months (from a hatchling of 1.5" size).

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I soaked s/he in slightly salted lukewarm water twice a day, for about 10mins each time.  I kept the basking light on to maintain the temperature.  Took about a week for the eyes to be back to normal, then the appetite came back.  Took longer (almost a month) for the bubbling to be totally gone.

I am noob too, not sure whether those were the correct things I should do.  But, somehow I managed to get s/he recovered.  Thank god s/he is back to normal now.  And, hope your little will recover soon.

P/S:  And as camillenoir advised, you must quarantine the sick one from others so that your other guys will not get infected.
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Mine I put in a mini aquarium with rocks that's all.. there's no lightings.. > < ..Most lightly I'll bring her to work tomorrow to keep watch her..


Added on June 20, 2010, 11:54 pmbtw why the salt? thanks..

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post Jun 21 2010, 12:21 AM

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Quoted from redearslider.com

Various types of injury or infection can cause a turtle's eyes to be closed or swollen. Dehydration, ear abscesses, chlorine/chloramines, scratches, bacterial infection, trauma, poor water conditions and poor nutrition are readily causes. Furthermore, this is a potential symptom of a Vitamin A deficiency (Hypovitaminosis A), metabolic bone disease or respiratory infection (RI).

The sensitivity of the eyes allows it to be an early detector of other inflictions. All of these conditions can be serious and unrelated; offering Vitamin A will have no effect if RI is present. The delay in proper treatment may even cause greater harm. Consider swollen eyes as a symptom of a greater disease. If other symptoms exist or form, then immediate medical care is required.

If your RES consistently rub their eyes after a water change, you may suspect high levels of chlorine or chloramines. The use of an aquarium water conditioner may help ease the situation. Home remedies for closed eyes may be small amounts of Vitamin A drops or the application of cod-liver oil onto the eyelids. Try to see if the turtle will open its eyes when dry docked. It is, however, best to seek the help of a qualified vet if there are other symptoms, the condition does not improve, or there is no explanation for the cause. Turtles may refuse to eat if they are unable to see. This can cause an onset of other serious medical conditions.


I once read that if bacterial infection is the cause, then can use salt to help fighting the infection as salt has disinfecting ability.

If you can read chinese, here is some info.... http://gui.abang.com/od/siyang/a/baiyanbing.htm


As for the bubbling, it could be the onset of RI (Respiratory Infections). Reading from redearslider.com

Respiratory infections (RI) are common and deadly illnesses that affect many captive turtles. It is a contagious illness that can spread to other turtles and often requires medical attention. Improper basking and water temperatures as well as exposure to drafts and breezes greatly increase the chances of contracting RI. There are varying degrees of RI, including pneumonia, and the symptoms may also differ.

The most obvious symptom that can signal RI is if a RES is listing. Listing refers to swimming in an irregular manner, such as swimming in circles, unevenly or lopsided and even swimming upside down. Listing is caused by fluid in the lungs; more specifically, if fluid exists in one lung or there is more fluid in one lung than the other. Your RES requires immediate veterinary assistance if they exhibit this symptom. They may have RI but not this symptom. The sooner that they are examined, the better the chance they can recover. They would likely be administered Baytril or another anti-infective. A vitamin injection, antibiotics and an x-ray may also be used or suggested.

There are other possible symptoms that can signal RI, especially if they occur frequently. These may include breathing difficulties, coughing, sneezing, open mouth, yawning, wheezing, lethargy, loss of appetite, mucus from the nose (runny) or mouth and bubbling at the nose and mouth. If your RES exhibits any of these symptoms, then raising temperatures, quarantine and a water change would be the immediate actions to take. Ambient air temperature and water temperature should be raised 10 degrees F. Eliminate any drafts and cold air around the tank. Pneumonia may develop which in many cases is fatal. If your RES continues to exhibit a symptom or develops more, then consult with a qualified vet immediately.


If you dont have basking lighting, then you better find ways to raise the water temperature.

Hope the above helps. Good luck.

P/S: I find this useful...... http://www.redearslider.com/index_health.html

This post has been edited by vivtch: Jun 21 2010, 12:24 AM
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post Jun 21 2010, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(vivtch @ Jun 21 2010, 12:21 AM)
Quoted from redearslider.com

Various types of injury or infection can cause a turtle's eyes to be closed or swollen. Dehydration, ear abscesses, chlorine/chloramines, scratches, bacterial infection, trauma, poor water conditions and poor nutrition are readily causes. Furthermore, this is a potential symptom of a Vitamin A deficiency (Hypovitaminosis A), metabolic bone disease or respiratory infection (RI).

The sensitivity of the eyes allows it to be an early detector of other inflictions. All of these conditions can be serious and unrelated; offering Vitamin A will have no effect if RI is present. The delay in proper treatment may even cause greater harm. Consider swollen eyes as a symptom of a greater disease. If other symptoms exist or form, then immediate medical care is required.

If your RES consistently rub their eyes after a water change, you may suspect high levels of chlorine or chloramines. The use of an aquarium water conditioner may help ease the situation. Home remedies for closed eyes may be small amounts of Vitamin A drops or the application of cod-liver oil onto the eyelids. Try to see if the turtle will open its eyes when dry docked. It is, however, best to seek the help of a qualified vet if there are other symptoms, the condition does not improve, or there is no explanation for the cause. Turtles may refuse to eat if they are unable to see. This can cause an onset of other serious medical conditions.


I once read that if bacterial infection is the cause, then can use salt to help fighting the infection as salt has disinfecting ability.

If you can read chinese, here is some info.... http://gui.abang.com/od/siyang/a/baiyanbing.htm
As for the bubbling, it could be the onset of RI (Respiratory Infections).  Reading from redearslider.com

Respiratory infections (RI) are common and deadly illnesses that affect many captive turtles. It is a contagious illness that can spread to other turtles and often requires medical attention. Improper basking and water temperatures as well as exposure to drafts and breezes greatly increase the chances of contracting RI. There are varying degrees of RI, including pneumonia, and the symptoms may also differ.

The most obvious symptom that can signal RI is if a RES is listing. Listing refers to swimming in an irregular manner, such as swimming in circles, unevenly or lopsided and even swimming upside down. Listing is caused by fluid in the lungs; more specifically, if fluid exists in one lung or there is more fluid in one lung than the other. Your RES requires immediate veterinary assistance if they exhibit this symptom. They may have RI but not this symptom. The sooner that they are examined, the better the chance they can recover. They would likely be administered Baytril or another anti-infective. A vitamin injection, antibiotics and an x-ray may also be used or suggested.

There are other possible symptoms that can signal RI, especially if they occur frequently. These may include breathing difficulties, coughing, sneezing, open mouth, yawning, wheezing, lethargy, loss of appetite, mucus from the nose (runny) or mouth and bubbling at the nose and mouth. If your RES exhibits any of these symptoms, then raising temperatures, quarantine and a water change would be the immediate actions to take. Ambient air temperature and water temperature should be raised 10 degrees F. Eliminate any drafts and cold air around the tank. Pneumonia may develop which in many cases is fatal. If your RES continues to exhibit a symptom or develops more, then consult with a qualified vet immediately.


If you dont have basking lighting, then you better find ways to raise the water temperature.

Hope the above helps.  Good luck.

P/S:  I find this useful...... http://www.redearslider.com/index_health.html
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vivtch thank you so much for the effort.. and the rest too... thanks a lot.. I just feed her to her mouth and put her in warm water tonight.. Placed her on top of a soft vegetable leaf and below the leaf I place cottons, which means the amount of water is very little due to her head is very weak to lift up (she can't even move much sad.gif ) ..

I'll take your advice to add lil salt ..and see what I can buy at pet shop tomorrow.

Btw, my healthy turtle (the baby male) is active moving around but he opens his mouth constantly and is also playing with bubble in his mouth.. is he falling sick too?

I placed him in warm water too..

thanks again





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post Jun 21 2010, 09:11 AM

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If you dont have basking light to regulate the right temperature and have very little water, it maybe hard to maintain the right air and water temperature. You may need to change the water more often to maintain the desired water temperature. Avoid air-conditioned places. Just make sure it is kept warm but be careful not to 'cook' it.

Your the other turtle, it seems to me that it has the onset of RI symptons too.

Do you keep them indoor? Any access to natural sunlight? I would place mine outside for some natural sunlight. Of course, I keep an eye on them to make sure it is not too hot till they are cooked.

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get a submersible heater. saves the trouble of preparing warm water, plus the temperature is regulated all the time.


Added on June 21, 2010, 10:36 am
QUOTE(Omegaminx @ Jun 20 2010, 11:17 PM)
So it seems still nothing major on the wildlife side. This is getting a bit frustrating. just gotta see end of the month then. Keep posting if u guys hear anything smile.gif thanks
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enforcement seems to be carried out under the discretion of state office, and at best, non-standardized.

worst still, the ministry has not responded yet.

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[quote=camillenoir,Jun 21 2010, 10:29 AM]
get a submersible heater. saves the trouble of preparing warm water, plus the temperature is regulated all the time.

I dont use submersible heater, actually how does it work? I keep my RES tank in the balcony (live in condo sad.gif ) 24/7 with direct sunlight on part of the tank, plenty of water so that I dont boil turtles soup. If I have to bring them indoor, then I have my basking lamp.

With little/shallow water (for sick turtles), will it be overheated? Or it works regardless of water volume?

Thanks.

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most submersibles requires only an inch or two of water. and there are different sizes/wattage for aquariums of different sizes, so you can choose one that fits your aquarium most.

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overheating is unlikely, as the thermostat will turn the heater off once it hits the set temperature.

there would be a slight variation in temperature - using the same heater set at same temperature, aquariums with lower water volume would feel slightly hotter than those with higher volume (thermal dispersion vs volume of medium factors, etc) but it's a safe and useful equipment to say the least.

photo from magic-mushroom-kit.com

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Thank you very much.
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I just discovered that all CITES species is covered under Wildlife Protection Ordinance 1998.

Which means that Sarawak keepers can declare nuts as they are bound to that 12 year old act.


Added on June 21, 2010, 2:42 pmThe Natural Resources Ministry had finally answered Benson's letter

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Ministry committed to upholding CITES

The Natural Resources and Environment Ministry appreciates the concerns highlighted by Benson of Kuala Lumpur in his letter “Grace period is a curse, not a blessing” (The Star, June 14).

The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) is an international agreement between governments. Its aim is to ensure that international trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten their survival.

Many wildlife species in trade are not endangered, but the existence of an agreement to ensure the sustainability of the trade is important in order to safeguard these resources for the future.

By ensuring that the international trade in wildlife is properly regulated, CITES can assist in conserving the planet’s wild fauna and flora from over-exploitation and contribute to the improved management of these key natural assets for sustainable development.

The International Trade in Endangered Species Act (Intesa) 2008 [Act 686] was gazetted to come into force on Dec 28, 2009.

The main purpose of the Act is to control the international trade of species listed under CITES and to ensure Malaysia’s compliance towards CITES obligation.

The ministry has announced a six-month grace period that is applicable throughout the country effective from the date of enforcement of the Act until June 28, 2010.

The period aims to provide smooth transition as well as ample time for the relevant departments or agencies to enhance their understanding and knowledge of Intesa.

The ministry would also like to emphasise that the enforcement on import, export and re-export activities of the CITES-listed species at the entry/exit point during the grace period will be in accordance with CITES rules and regulations, which require CITES permits. Non-compliance will be subjected to legal action.

During the grace period, private owners who have in their possession CITES-listed species that were attained before the enforcement of Intesa may apply for a special permission letter from the relevant authorities starting from Feb 17 to June 28, 2010.

However, the issuance of a special permission letter is subjected to terms and conditions determined by the authorities.

The authorities will keep a record of individuals who have been given the permission letter.

The ministry reiterates its commitment as a party to CITES, and will closely monitor the implementation of Intesa, especially during the six-month grace period to ensure that it will not be abused by unscrupulous individuals.

YAMUNA PERIMALU,
For Secretary–General of the Natural Resources and Environment Ministry,
Putrajaya.


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post Jun 21 2010, 03:30 PM

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Noted! So should all come forward and declare now? Or should all continue on hiding or just release all into our local ecosystem?

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QUOTE(g r a p e k e y @ Jun 20 2010, 03:20 PM)

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Added on June 20, 2010, 3:28 pmshe's playing with bubble in her mouth & her eyes are always close
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See those tortoise stir my memory when I was 6-9years old... I remember take those tortoise on the floor and waiting for their head to come out. biggrin.gif
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>>>During the grace period, private owners who have in their possession CITES-listed species that were attained before the enforcement of Intesa may apply for a special permission letter from the relevant authorities starting from Feb 17 to June 28, 2010.

So meaning star and radiated ok boh?

Well.. we all can sama sama bring our tortoise/turtle go there and declare.. but if they wan to rampas... kami sama sama jerit jerit...

Chances are higher they going to confiscate if you go alone, but if we go in a group then at least more people to argue.


Added on June 21, 2010, 4:28 pmWhatever it is, chances are high that a lot of ppl will not declare or pretend don't know such law.

I tak baca surat khabar punya orang...

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QUOTE(auhckw @ Jun 21 2010, 04:27 PM)
>>>During the grace period, private owners who have in their possession CITES-listed species that were attained before the enforcement of Intesa may apply for a special permission letter from the relevant authorities starting from Feb 17 to June 28, 2010.

So meaning star and radiated ok boh?

Well.. we all can sama sama bring our tortoise/turtle go there and declare.. but if they wan to rampas... kami sama sama jerit jerit...

Chances are higher they going to confiscate if you go alone, but if we go in a group then at least more people to argue.


Added on June 21, 2010, 4:28 pmWhatever it is, chances are high that a lot of ppl will not declare or pretend don't know such law.

I tak baca surat khabar punya orang...
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just be careful lah...I registered isi borang already. You guys make own decision. I believe spirit of law encourage "Pet Keeper" or " Tortoise Lover " to keep Cites 1 tortoise legally.

I you are not or never trade Or selling buying tortoise why you scared to declare ?

I also disagree that they just taken away your tortoise, the ideal is let tortoise lover keep them but all registered with all permit DO NOT SALE your tortoise.

Not fair just taken away tortoise and stop tortoise lover that has been years keeping them, but they not stopping ilegal trader still going in and out, even in the origin country no permitted to export, but in Malaysia available to sale even at pet shop 3 yrs ago,
who's fault ? We are or Perhilitan ?

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Blutang: Your previous post just made my head spin. LOL!

It's not the Perhilitan's fault. Nor it is ours. It is the tortoises fault actually. LMAO!

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