I have a question. Are Russian tortoises listed under CITES?

they cant search or go in our house...they need a search warrant for dat...even police are outside your house oso cant search your house if no warrant...

IMHO,yeah..all Testudinidae family in appendix II except some in appendix I..in genus testudo,Testudo kleinmanni aka egyptian tortoise is in appendix I..that one is my wishlist..no more wishlist anymore

does Podocnemis unifilis(yellow spotted ) in cites ? i cant find it...

I already answered that in my earlier post complete with reference to Act and Section. Guess that I really have to type after all.

Act 686
Search and seizure without warrant
24. Whenever an enforcement officer has reasonable cause to believe that any scheduled species, conveyance, machinery, contrivance, equipment, book, record, document or other article in respect of which an offence under this Act has been committed is likely to be found in or on any premises, person or conveyance and that by reason of delay in obtaining a warrant under section 23 the object of the search may be frustrated, he may without warrant, with such assistance and force as is necessary -
(a) enter and search such premises
(b) stop and search such person or conveyance; and
© seize any scheduled species, conveyance, machinery, contrivance, equipment, book, record, document or other article which may be found and may be evidence of the commission of such offence.
yup right. Testudo kleInmanni and Testudo werneri is listed under CITES I, all other Testudo, including Russian (T. horsfieldii) is listed under CITES II.

damn its been a while....i wonder what they gonna do with all the surrendered stuff ? left them to die ? put to zoo or send back to original country ? i doubt the latter 2..we need to protest to this insane ruling...since we have kept it why dun let us get a permit ...

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Added on June 17, 2010, 4:40 pm

they cant search or go in our house...they need a search warrant for dat...even police are outside your house oso cant search your house if no warrant...

Hii I registered my Totis already, to be honest at shah alam Perhilitan Im 3rd person who registered with proper borang...with Totis photo, copy ID etc.

Either you keep them under ground or come to them and see what happen. Only some particular cites 1 you can't keep them as a pet, they are not pet, they are endangered which they need to be place at they origin habitat so they can breed them self again.

So ask your self now, you keep them as a pet, can u breed them ?
Forget. About Petshop sale years ago. All was wrong from start so why don't you make it right. I'm also worry if I hand over they maybe sale again to under ground trader.

But you keep them as a pet also not helping your tortoise will survey, coz you also don't know how to breed. You know how to look after.

Anyway...think over it again before register, Perhilitan not that bad if you are come to do the right thing, they are not threatning. Next time just keep non cites pet, much fun...
Cheers

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Added on June 20, 2010, 1:28 pmRemember also...hiding them forever is not healthy for them. It's not just Malaysia rules and regulation of cites endangered animal, it's international.

Hii I registered my Totis already, to be honest at shah alam Perhilitan Im 3rd person who registered with proper borang...with Totis photo, copy ID etc.

Either you keep them under ground or come to them and see what happen. Only some particular cites 1 you can't keep them as a pet, they are not pet, they are endangered which they need to be place at they origin habitat so they can breed them self again.

So ask your self now, you keep them as a pet, can u breed them ?
Forget. About Petshop sale years ago. All was wrong from start so why don't you make it right. I'm also worry if I hand over they maybe sale again to under ground trader.

But you keep them as a pet also not helping your tortoise will survey, coz you also don't know how to breed. You know how to look after.

Anyway...think over it again before register, Perhilitan not that bad if you are come to do the right thing, they are not threatning. Next time just keep non cites pet, much fun...


Cheers

Added on June 20, 2010, 1:28 pmRemember also...hiding them forever is not healthy for them. It's not just Malaysia rules and regulation of cites endangered animal, it's international.

says the one who had an extensive history in trading and smuggling CITES animals.

do you think that Perhilitan would be so kind to issue a permission letter to someone with such history, Nur Maya Sari?

what's wrong with Nur Maya Sari ? Is she criminal ? Is anybody jealous with her ? 

Are you enemy with your own authority of animal control in your country ? Good luck for it.

I'm not asking you to register, just consider with species you are keeping. Surrender my tortoise it's not mean Im criminal. I'm so sorry for you not to trust Perhilitan.

Do you have history with Perhilitan ? So keep your pet with cites secretly lah... Just be careful.

mind to share,what species u register?are you sure they will be place at 'they' origin habitat so they can breed them self again?and how sure u are that they will survive in the wild after many years in captivity?and how do u know that all people here dunno how to breed?i saw with my eyes people manage to hatch star tortoise eggs..

mind to share,what species u register?are you sure they will be place at 'they' origin habitat so they can breed them self again?and how sure u are that they will survive in the wild after many years in captivity?and how do u know that all people here dunno how to breed?i saw with my eyes people manage to hatch star tortoise eggs..

Star tortoise is Cites 2. Perhilitan maybe consider give you permision. I'm talking about cites 1. That's good some people will breed.. I'm happy for them, good luck for hiding them forever.

Btw any cites 1 like radiata and Yniphora never been listing in Perhilitan imported list.

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Added on June 20, 2010, 2:37 pmMy star also laid eggs and waiting see what happen, hope fertile.

me myself ask them in their office and the one who answered my question is 'pengarah',he said:"no,for star tortoise,u only can surrender them to us."What cabel u use?maybe im oso can use the same cable with the same voltage,hahahhaa..

at least they keep in big and lots of them in they compound and will mating...hope authority will keep they promise not to trade them back.

I can understand that you been spending money to buy them, which your self already wrong bought endangered species. Can't stop people bring things in and out...

If you think best way to keep tortoise, just keep lah...hahaha

well slackers, like I said, they want to know how many people actually isi borang, so far only 3 people...heii they might have the license and permit coz being brave and honest..hahaha

if you don't have such a history like Nur Maya Sari, register lah..
your name clean, never trade or smuggling...sure Perhilitan will consider...

Conch_cake you don't have such history rite ? Sure Perhilitan be consider.

Hi all,

I need help here.. my 2 and a half months old baby tortoise fall sick. I think she is sick. She's not eating anything for 2 days already unlike the baby male tortoise. How? please help me ..

if i have sulcata,long time ago i already register it..they give me 'borang',but when i ask about Star,that is the answer..so,what use to isi borang anymore?they already inform me,surrender the star tortoise..im still new here,i dun have any history yet..

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Added on June 20, 2010, 3:12 pm
do u let her sunbath?2 and half month?wow,u know the exact age..u breed them?tortoise or turtle?any sign of watery eyes,bubbling nose?maybe u can post picture,than somebody here can help u..