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76radius
post May 27 2010, 06:09 AM

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Yeah, my Unifi Dlink router got fried also. I just got free replacement yesterday. The Unifi people said mayb the router get too HOT. (But its 24 hours in the aircond room, I just wonder why, maybe the quality not vy good).

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post May 27 2010, 06:18 AM

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QUOTE(76radius @ May 27 2010, 06:09 AM)
Rizvanrp

Yeah, my Unifi Dlink router got fried also. I just got free replacement yesterday. The Unifi people said mayb the router get too HOT. (But its 24 hours in the aircond room, I just wonder why, maybe the quality not vy good).
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Did you torrent a lot ? I suspect that is why doh.gif This router rely .. rely.... rely cannot one laugh.gif

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@riv

Another posters made one valid point, that using a spare pc solely for routing cost alot of $$ energy bill. Also not many port either >-<;

RB450G routeros seems the best bet, but too technical for most of us rclxub.gif

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post May 27 2010, 06:45 AM

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@76radius

I'm gonna ask for a free replacement tomorrow then biggrin.gif

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Like I said, you can use an Atom system with 2 NICs to get full functionality.. this would consume around 45watts I guess?

You can wire a single NIC into a layer 2 switch and run the Internet VLAN + your home LAN (192.168.x.x/24) over it.. so 2 NICs is enough for Internet + IPTV access. That's what I'm doing right now..

That being said, you can also look into using a Guruplug server which has 2 Ethernet ports and would also be ideal for Unifi (Internet + IPTV). biggrin.gif

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post May 27 2010, 06:58 AM

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So your saying simply plugin the fiber modem to the spare pc which have 2 ethernet port. One for the modem, and the other to main pc i am using. And the routing will automatically magically work hmm.gif ?? anything to configure.

Keep in mind my networking knowledge is as far as port forwarding the ports for torrent and some applications, thats about it laugh.gif The instructions provided too general, most of which i don't how to do shocking.gif


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You can wire a single NIC into a layer 2 switch


Whats a layer 2 switch biggrin.gif ??? How to configure this biggrin.gif ?


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run the Internet VLAN + your home LAN (192.168.x.x/24) over it


How to configure this biggrin.gif ?

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post May 27 2010, 07:07 AM

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So your saying simply plugin the fiber modem to the spare pc which have 2 ethernet port. One for the modem, and the other to main pc i am using. And the routing will automatically magically work  hmm.gif  ?? anything to configure.

Keep in mind my networking knowledge is as far as port forwarding the ports for torrent and some applications, thats about it  laugh.gif The instructions provided too general, most of which i don't how to do  shocking.gif
Whats a layer 2 switch biggrin.gif ??? How to configure this biggrin.gif ?
How to configure this biggrin.gif ?
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Haha, Yeah Moogle, Rizvanrp is Networking Guru here. He helped me a lot. I am interested to know too.
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Haha, Yeah Moogle, Rizvanrp is Networking Guru here. He helped me a lot. I am interested to know too.
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Hardware example. the atom motherboard + 1gig ethernet adapter + wireless 802.11b/g/n adapter + 5 port gigabyte switch + casing for the atom motherboard. The only thing missing is CPU and RAM.

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JetWay JATOM-GM1-330-LF Intel Atom 330 (flex ATX with 2 PCI and 1 PCIE):
http://detonator.dynamitedata.com/cgi-bin/...N82E16813153144

Intel PWLA8391GT 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI PRO/1000 GT Desktop Adapter
http://detonator.dynamitedata.com/cgi-bin/...N82E16833106121

ASUS PCE-N13 IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCI Express Wireless Adapter Up to 300Mbps
http://detonator.dynamitedata.com/cgi-bin/...N82E16833320048

D-Link DGS-2205 10/100/1000Mbps 5-Port Green Technology Desktop Switch
http://detonator.dynamitedata.com/cgi-bin/...N82E16833127083

Rosewill R379-M Black/ Silver 0.8mm SGCC Steel Slim MicroATX Computer Case with ATX12V Flex 300W Power Supply
http://detonator.dynamitedata.com/cgi-bin/...N82E16811147098

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Routing software with firewall i am guessing.

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pfSense is a FreeBSD-based firewall tailored for use as a firewall and router. The project started in 2004 as a fork of the m0n0wall  project, but focused towards full PC installations rather than the embedded hardware focus of m0n0wall.

Common Deployments

Although mainly deployed as a perimeter firewall, pfSense is versatile enough to fill many types of deployments. Here is a short list of common deployments:

    * Perimeter Firewall - As discused earlier, this is by far the most common deployment for pfSense.
    * Router - Due to the ability to load balance connections and provide failover capabilities, pfSense makes for an ideal choice for a DIY Router for the SMB market.
    * Wireless Access Point - With the ability of Captive Portal within it, pfSense can easily be deployed as a wireless hotspot solution.
    * Special purpose appliance - Some users have decided to utilize pfSense in a unique way to help fulfill their unique needs.
          o VPN Appliance
          o Sniffer Appliance
          o Dedicated DHCP server
          o Dedicated DNS server


Features

pfSense includes almost all the features of expensive commercial firewalls, and more in many cases. Here is a list of features taken from the pfSense Features page.

    * Firewall
    * State Table
    * NAT
    * Redundancy
          o CARP - CARP from OpenBSD allows for hardware failover. Two or more firewalls can be configured as a failover group. If one interface fails on the primary or the primary goes offline entirely, the secondary becomes active. pfSense also includes configuration synchronization capabilities, so you make your configuration changes on the primary and they automatically synchronize to the secondary firewall.
          o pfsync - pfsync ensures the firewall's state table is replicated to all failover configured firewalls. This means your existing connections will be maintained in the case of failure, which is important to prevent network disruptions.
    * Outbound and Inbound Load Balancing
    * VPN - IPsec, OpenVPN, PPTP
    * PPPoE Server
    * RRD Graphs Reporting
    * Real Time Information - Using AJAX
    * Dynamic DNS
    * Captive portal
    * DHCP Server and Relay
    * Live CD Version Available


Minimum Hardware Requirements

The following outlines the minimum hardware requirements for pfSense 1.2. Note the minimum requirements are not suitable for all environments, see the Hardware Sizing Guidance page for information.

CPU - 100 MHz Pentium
RAM - 128 MB


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Some notes about using pfsense and some part of the hardware setup.

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Most important part of the new setup will be to turn off all the routing features on the Linksys router.  You need it to be in AP only mode.  You can still use it as your switch, but I would suggest getting a gigabit switch.  Either way, never plug anything into the WAN port of the Linksys box.  pfSense will now act as your DHCP and caching DNS server, so if you have any special configs on the Linksys be sure to program them into your pfSense.  Same goes for port forwarding, etc.  The only thing the Linksys will do from now on will be to act as an Access Point.

Install pfsense with LAN and WAN, just follow the onscreen instructions.  Make sure you can access the net from a normal PC client on the LAN.  If it works, then hook up your AdTran switch.  Hopefully at this point all the PCs will have internet.  Now try the wireless, you should get an IP from your new DHCP range on the pfSense.



And need to install an OS to the server i am guessing ????




Then have to configure the software for networking ????? Setting up the Vlans to connect to the modem rclxub.gif




See i more or less have a rough idea, but not the specifics doh.gif This seems a big investment and may not even have a return if don't know such technical things :[


This expresses my feelings regarding torrent on dir-615 unifi doh.gif
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post May 27 2010, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(76radius @ May 26 2010, 09:58 PM)
Yeah, I agree. Normal user not familiar about this Vlan thingy. I bought the Vlan capable router Linksys RVS4000 but still not successful. Hahaha.. too complicated.
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Agree and hopefully there'll be an FAQ by the sifus here to help configure VLAN tagging capable routers for Unifi.
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layer 2 switches gonna cost quite a bit sweat.gif
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post May 27 2010, 09:19 AM

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Eh by layer 2 switch I'm referring to the standard 'dumb' switch you can buy for <RM40 (5 port). Not the expensive one with IP routing/smart switch. Basically the PC you plug into that switch will handle all the Unifi routing and VLAN bridging for you.

I'll post the config diagram up here later when I get home, got a presentation to do in a few minutes >< (in class lol)
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Eh by layer 2 switch I'm referring to the standard 'dumb' switch you can buy for <RM40 (5 port). Not the expensive one with IP routing/smart switch. Basically the PC you plug into that switch will handle all the Unifi routing and VLAN bridging for you.


Hey riz,
Interesting tricks you have xD
I'm trying to run a personal ftp server over my unifi, so far the DIR-615 has been a disappointment,
How does the port forwarding process looks like with this 'dumb' switch configuration?

I'm also wondering if the fiberhome onu is responsible of blocking my ftp server from WAN. hmm.gif
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FTP with port forwarding is not so straight forward.. read http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_por...d_ftp_xtra.html

I've always had issues with FTP servers over NAT-ed connections due to this.

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Regarding my earlier 'dumb' switch + 1 NIC setup :

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Each line represents a single Cat5 cable (except the red one).

This is what I'm using at home now. Because the Fiberhome trunks VLAN 500 + 600 together and doesn't use non-VLAN traffic at all, you can combine the VLAN 500 + normal network traffic over the same physical wire. This means you can use 1 NIC alone to support Internet connectivity and 2 NICs will give you Internet + IPTV.

Also.. just visited 76radius and checked out his Unifi setup. You can only use the Cisco RVS4000 as a VLAN <-> Physical port bridge. This means if you have an RVS4000 you can set it up to allow you to use any router with your Unifi regardless of whether it supports VLAN tagging on the WAN port or not. This is pretty wasteful as the RVS4000 is a full fledged IPS + router but due to its inability to support VLAN tagging on the Internet port, it can only be used as a VLAN bridge ... and it costs RM600 locally.

As for the Buffalo Wireless N router (WHR-HP-G300N??) + dd-wrt which he had setup, the iptables FORWARD-ing rules which its dd-wrt firmware uses by default are totally screwed up and will mess with your PPPoE over VLAN-WAN connection. If you're using dd-wrt on this router, you have to run 'iptables -F FORWARD' as a cron job/startup script to get it to work. If you don't do this, it randomly resets TCP connections and drops a lot of packets for some reason. Other than that, its an "okay" budget dd-wrt router replacement for Unifi's DIR-615.
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post May 27 2010, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ May 27 2010, 03:25 PM)
@nitewish

FTP with port forwarding is not so straight forward.. read http://homepage.mac.com/car1son/static_por...d_ftp_xtra.html

I've always had issues with FTP servers over NAT-ed connections due to this.

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Regarding my earlier 'dumb' switch + 1 NIC setup :

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Each line represents a single Cat5 cable (except the red one).

This is what I'm using at home now. Because the Fiberhome trunks VLAN 500 + 600 together and doesn't use non-VLAN traffic at all, you can combine the VLAN 500 + normal network traffic over the same physical wire. This means you can use 1 NIC alone to support Internet connectivity and 2 NICs will give you Internet + IPTV.

Also.. just visited 76radius and checked out his Unifi setup. You can only use the Cisco RVS4000 as a VLAN <-> Physical port bridge. This means if you have an RVS4000 you can set it up to allow you to use any router with your Unifi regardless of whether it supports VLAN tagging on the WAN port or not. This is pretty wasteful as the RVS4000 is a full fledged IPS + router but due to its inability to support VLAN tagging on the Internet port, it can only be used as a VLAN bridge ... and it costs RM600 locally.

As for the Buffalo Wireless N router (WHR-HP-G300N??) + dd-wrt which he had setup, the iptables FORWARD-ing rules which its dd-wrt firmware uses by default are totally screwed up and will mess with your PPPoE over VLAN-WAN connection. If you're using dd-wrt on this router, you have to run 'iptables -F FORWARD' as a cron job/startup script to get it to work. If you don't do this, it randomly resets TCP connections and drops a lot of packets for some reason. Other than that, its an "okay" budget dd-wrt router replacement for Unifi's DIR-615.
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THANKS Rizvanrp. You are really networking Guru.

I can smile like never before now. Hehe. Your work was funtastic. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif , will throw my ciplang Dlink DIR 615 :-P

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Hi guys, I am interested to apply for the Unifi, but not sure which package to go for.
I would like to get the 10Mbps package but i have a question, is there a different on speed to overseas server (other than local Malaysia Based server) with the 5Mbps package ? I remember i read somewhere that the speed to overseas server range from a few hundred KB to around 2 Mbps only, if that is the case then subscribing to the 10Mbps seems to be not so worth it, since the faster speed is only for connection to local server. I also remember reading somewhere on this topic that Unifi is giving 1 month free, is it true ? Thanks in advance.

ps : Just to ask you guys for your personal opinion, should i apply for unifi now (any problem ? like i remember when i apply for streamyx when it first came out, it was hell... and TM was simply charging me ridiculous amount when i subscribed to RM 88 package) or should i wait ? (i am staying in subang and am currently covered, so not a problem with coverage area)
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QUOTE(PGGTrader @ May 27 2010, 07:56 PM)
Hi guys, I am interested to apply for the Unifi, but not sure which package to go for.
I would like to get the 10Mbps package but i have a question, is there a different on speed to overseas server (other than local Malaysia Based server) with the 5Mbps package ? I remember i read somewhere that the speed to overseas server range from a few hundred KB to around 2 Mbps only, if that is the case then subscribing to the 10Mbps seems to be not so worth it, since the faster speed is only for connection to local server. I also remember reading somewhere on this topic that Unifi is giving 1 month free, is it true ? Thanks in advance.

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10Mbps (megabits) is around 1.25MBPS (megabytes). TM use megabits while unifi users use megabytes during download etc. please dont get confused. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(PGGTrader @ May 27 2010, 07:56 PM)
Hi guys, I am interested to apply for the Unifi, but not sure which package to go for.
I would like to get the 10Mbps package but i have a question, is there a different on speed to overseas server (other than local Malaysia Based server) with the 5Mbps package ? I remember i read somewhere that the speed to overseas server range from a few hundred KB to around 2 Mbps only, if that is the case then subscribing to the 10Mbps seems to be not so worth it, since the faster speed is only for connection to local server. I also remember reading somewhere on this topic that Unifi is giving 1 month free, is it true ? Thanks in advance.

ps : Just to ask you guys for your personal opinion, should i apply for unifi now (any problem ? like i remember when i apply for streamyx when it first came out, it was hell... and TM was simply charging me ridiculous amount when i subscribed to RM 88 package) or should i wait ? (i am staying in subang and am currently covered, so not a problem with coverage area)
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I'm in Subang as well. Am using VIP5 and so far so good accept that one time I had to call and ask them to reset their side coz my dialer keeps on redialing saying maximum session exceeded..

I'd suggest getting the VIP5 first and later upgrade to VIP10 when your happy with your UniFi. Upgrading won't cost but downgrading will be charged.
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The only thing you need to worry about is the cap that they will implement later which hopefully is much higher than before...
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I'm thinking of applying Unifi but would like to know whether is it worth getting VIP20 over VIP10? Is there a big difference in speed? Planning to use mainly for downloading
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QUOTE(76radius @ May 27 2010, 02:49 PM)
THANKS Rizvanrp. You are really networking Guru.

I can smile like never before now. Hehe. Your work was funtastic.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif , will throw my ciplang Dlink DIR 615 :-P
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Got any performance tests ?? utorrent maybe nod.gif



@riv

because the switch connects directly to the pc1-2-3, are those pcs protected by the router NAT ?

Is it that using your diagram, the internet traffic travels from modem to switch (but doesn't go to pc1-2-3 yet), then goes to router (traffic has to go through the router Nat) before it then goes back to switch and the traffic goes to p1-2-3. Is that how it works biggrin.gif ?


In regard to 5 port dumb/unmanaged layer2 switch, i found one.

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If you have more than one device on your network, you probably have a switch. A switch is a simple device that operates at Layer 2 of the OSI model, forwarding data frames from one device to another based on their hardware or MAC (Media Access Control) address. The basic Layer 2 switch does not care or know about IP addresses, which operate at Layer 3.

Your switch may be a few ports built into your router, it may be a small unmanaged (non-configurable) switch such as the D-Link DGS-2205

An unmanaged switch  can support VLAN  tagging to do prioritization but it doesn't support  dividing ports on separate VLANs.

Any trunking protocol supposes that switches on both sides are aware of it and run it.



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The DGS-2205 and DGS-1005D are the same unit, they just have different color housing and different model numbers.

The board and chipset are the same in both units.


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Auto MDI/MDI-X crossover on all ports eliminates the need for crossover cables or uplink ports recognition. Auto-negotiation on each port senses the link speed of a network device (either 10, 100, or 1000 Mbps) and intelligently adjusts itself for optimal performance. 


http://www.dlink.com.my/products/?idproduc...&idCategory=215

DGS-1005D RM 100, or alternatively there is a 8 port variant of this, the DGS-1008D @ RM160 PCZone Lowyat.



For router i want to get something like that Buffalo router with vlan support (not diy pc router). You mentioned there is an issue with the vlan ip tables for that router, is it only specific to that router, or is it the DD-WRT firmware ??? hmm.gif

If the problem is with the DD-WRT, does tomato let you configure the vlan?? I'm looking for a not so buggy, straight forward solution to this notworthy.gif



As a side note, here is an interesting article about vlan hm hmm.gif (digesting)
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30071/53/

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Well, I really shouldn't have said 'layer 2' switch because all switches are layer 2 switches and now you're confused ._.

5 port 10/100mbps switches only cost around RM40+ and its good enough for the job. If you have an old router with 4 LAN ports around the place, you can even use that. Basically you just need a switch, nothing special.

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Is it that using your diagram, the internet traffic travels from modem to switch (but doesn't go to pc1-2-3 yet), then goes to router (traffic has to go through the router Nat) before it then goes back to switch and the traffic goes to p1-2-3. Is that how it works ?

Yesh, that's how it works. The internet traffic from the fiberhome <-> switch <-> router PC is all on VLAN 500 so it doesn't affect any non-VLAN traffic.

And the bug with the Buffalo is probably unique to that particular dd-wrt firmware which is running on it. It's just an iptables issue so you have to set a script to flush the FORWARD-ing table. Not sure about using Tomato, never tried it before sad.gif Still, the Buffalo doesn't have port based VLAN tagging either which means you can't set up IPTV on it.
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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ May 28 2010, 02:17 AM)
Well, I really shouldn't have said 'layer 2' switch because all switches are layer 2 switches and now you're confused ._.

5 port 10/100mbps switches only cost around RM40+ and its good enough for the job. If you have an old router with 4 LAN ports around the place, you can even use that. Basically you just need a switch, nothing special.
Yesh, that's how it works. The internet traffic from the fiberhome <-> switch <-> router PC is all on VLAN 500 so it doesn't affect any non-VLAN traffic.

And the bug with the Buffalo is probably unique to that particular dd-wrt firmware which is running on it. It's just an iptables issue so you have to set a script to flush the FORWARD-ing table. Not sure about using Tomato, never tried it before sad.gif Still, the Buffalo doesn't have port based VLAN tagging either which means you can't set up IPTV on it.
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Ah... hmm.gif (digest)


But i think 100mbps switch may not be enough for me, because i got a QNAP 509 pro in my network to connect between my pc. So the gig speed is pretty important for me :] From my testing i get like speeds of 60-90 MB/s between my pc and Nas when i use my Dlink DIR-655.

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1000 Mbps = 125.00 MB/s theoretical max speed.

100 Mbps = 12.50 MB/s theoretical max speed.





Anyway i just checked the WZR-HP-G300NH don't have vlan port just like you just said :{
http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php...200774cc9df1f92

http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=69034


I'll google see if i can find one which does hmm.gif Or does someone already know ?



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Originally Posted by Cytomax 
After spending a few hours reading that vlan stuff my friend just called me up with a good idea that i think ill be using...
DSl-->Switch-->Routers # 1 (WAN IP X & LAN IP 192.168.0.1/24) and Router # 2 (WAN IP Y & LAN IP 192.168.1.1/24 )



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That's double NAT'ing...YUCK! The inside network suffers performance, some online apps can get quirky...plus the inside network can actually find and browse the outside network. Not visa versa though.

Port Based VLANs are wicked easy.
Take your router...plug it into port 1 on your managed switch.
Take Network A...and plug them into..say....ports 2-8. Make ports 2-8 members of VLAN1..and also make port 1 a member.
Take Network B..and plug them into say..ports 9-15..and make them VLAN2...also adding port 1 as a member of this VLAN.

Done. Network A computers cannot see Network B computers..and Network B computers cannot see Network A computers. They both share access to the router via port 1.

Todays managed switches are just as easy to log into and configure as your regular old Linksys router...through a web management interface.


Source: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1351534



So basically the method your suggesting is double Nat is it hmm.gif ?

Is what that other guy suggesting for port based vlaning doable for this Unifi :/ ?


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