What does bandwidth have to do with the way the physical system is structured? You say VDSL2 is a 'direct connection' so its somehow better but its usage in high rise buildings indicate that a 100mbps package is still far away? They would still use fiber optics to feed the VDSL2 access point with bandwidth and you'd have bandwidth contention there.

Dial up can be a direct connection yet its protocol is limited to 56kbps. Whats the point? Fiber is simply better over copper for long distance communication. You have more multiplexing methods to increase the capacity of a fiber optic line compared to a copper based system. I'm pretty sure the 2.4gbps is a limitation of the modulation and multiplexing being used.

Why should they waste our money by slowly rolling out VDSL2 then FTTH? If they put out VDSL, you guys would complain 20mbps is too low (if its even achievable). Now they're putting out fiber optic cabling which can already hit 100mbps and be upgraded over the decades with newer technology which uses the same medium .. you're saying it's a step backwards?

The only issue with this new fiber optic network is that it's going to be a closed network for quite some time which would limit competition. Its pretty decent in terms of the physical medium being utilized.

Yep, I can use it with my pendrive and external harddisk.
Try use SharePort latest version: http://wrpd.dlink.com.tw/router/firmware/D....17%20setup.exe

It's all about economical feasibility. When you can bring fiber as close as 0.5km to most premises you could save considerably instead of pulling the fiber directly into buildings.You wouldn't see much difference between the 2 solutions because TM won't be offering speeds beyond 100mbps for years to come as proven by their step of choosing VDSL2 for some high rise buildings. TM is just wasting lots of money doing so and only limit the service availability to only a handful of areas while still calling it a commercial rollout. They could have saved considerably by just using remote DSLAMs fed with fiber all over the country in urban areas and major cities for the time being.When time comes where they choose to offer speeds exceeding 100mbps one day, all the need is to extend the already extensive fiber network to inside homes instead.

You mentioned copper could no where compete with pure fiber but is there a need at this moment?The speeds being offered could also be offered by copper phone wires with minor modifications to roadside phone switches. How long would other people have to wait for FTTH to arrive at other cities should they maintain at this pace of rollout?

We are already way behind even our neighboring countries where 16mbps DSL is already rollout to the mass. They even have 50mbps packages in metro areas.

You may want to know how much cost savings can VDSL2 offer compared to a FTTH setup.
It's way cheaper. No need to pull new wiring, just your plain existing copper phone wiring will do as modifications are kept within the remote DSLAM cabinet. The modems are similar priced to ADSL2+ modems which are widely available in the market.
In years to come should the need arise to upgrade beyond 100mbps or 1gbps, their fiber network should be extensive enough to justify such upgrades while cost of equipment drops over time.

It's time to look for a vlan capable switch, just to isolate the iptv network.
riz, what do you think of this?
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Setti...ireless_traffic

And what would we know about economic feasibility if we're not the ones making the actual investment? I'm sure it has been put on the table before that TM wanted to use VDSL2 but in the end they went with fiber optics instead. I'm sure that as a telecommunications company, they would ultimately know which medium to go with.

The fact of the matter is that even 20mbps is considered 'slow' by our standards nowadays. How long would you have to wait if they did a VDSL followed by pure fiber rollout? You'd get your 10-16mbps for now but you'd have to wait another decade or so before you even see 20mbps-1gbps. And no, it's not just minor modifications needed if the current telephone wiring can't even deliver 4mbps with stability. They would have to replace already existing copper wiring which has oxidized and been damaged over the years, causing service interruptions to your Streamyx and phone lines.

This, along with additional debugging that's required because copper lines using xDSL always have a physical link sync issue for some reason. There's a lot of work to be done and it's not as easy as you make it sound.

I would rather wait a year or two and get FTTH which will be usable for the next quarter of a century or so rather than go through two physical medium upgrades just to satisfy a temporary lust for 10mbps+ broadband.

At this pace their progressing too slow.To be stucked with 5mbps speeds for a few years is just too late when FTTH arrives. How do we know it's economic unfeasible? Through case studies done by AT&T, Singapore's existing market, Thailand's as well as Australia's.
They are not bringing out FTTH so soon yet they aren't worried.Not that they're uncapable of doing it with their financial means, they intend to make their rollout with extensive coverage offering really fast speeds which current copper networks aren't able to achieve. Want to launch then do a proper nationwide rollout that covers major cities.

The Unifi download speeds couldn't even touch near Singapore's Starhub's DOCSIS3.0 100mbps cable speed. So my question is do we need FTTH with only a small handful of serving areas?

The problem still boils down to being the whole fiber optic network being built by tmnut.I'm pretty sure they are taking their sweet time laying all the cables and stuff as there is NO COMPETITION!!!

I feel that they have more than sufficient manpower,machine and money to do a fast rollout since they are the biggest telco in Malaysia.If they can't who can?

Don't even talk about ROI being too long and stuff as i currently don't see any other telco(even maxis)being able to compete in it for at least a few years to come.

Heard that maxis still need to rely on tmnut's fiber optic network for their HSBB.

dont fight la if fight u and him wont win but i still use streamyx no unifi LoL wasting time.

I am pretty sure that tmnut makes a lot of money.

If they ever say they have none, it's because most of it went to stock holder dividends, and little was left for network upgrades Anyone a tmnut stock holder to confirm this hypothesis ?? Don't forget, they spent money on many stuff such as sponsor Manchester United.

I mean they are a monopoly for a single country, so i would find it hard to believe they aren't earning ridiculous amount of profit, especially when it was recently said in a study that tmnut is charging the most expensive broadband in the Asian region.



And as for the HSBB network implementation, VDSL2 was used for high rise buildings because the implementation for those structures was more suitable. FTTH (fiber to the home) was used for landed property for scalability. The FTTH network needs to be setup at some point, may as well be now.

VDSL2 could have been mainstream implement ages ago, but they didn't so thats why ftth is being used instead for the mainstream implementation. Even ADSL 2 was not fully utilized. 4mb isn't even top speed for ADSL2 o_O; They were obviously dragging their feet with adsl technology for many years.

I am pretty sure tmnut would have been much happier had they remained with copper internet forever and kept charging us the same expensive pricing which equates to fiber broadband packages in other countries. However they must have received some pressure from the government to get a move along to develop their network.





So since sticking to an oudated copper network and cash cow that way was over, they are now trying out bandwidth caps which is fine, except they are doing their best to exploit it by setting ridiculously low bandwidth cap and throttled speed, yet expect us to pay a premium for it ? Maybe this is plan b for milking money from Malaysia netizens, rather than actual fair usage to make the internet fast for all.


This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Jul 18 2010, 01:49 AM

so u want to put DSLAM / IP DSLAM / MSAN / RDSLAM / at every houses?
thai only have 8mbps max HSI..it possible for high rise..but for landed...ummmm..

sorry off topic..this is PON section.Not DSL

Days ago, I saw my IPTV giving Apache Error 500 whenever I press the asterisk button on the remote control.
After I reboot the STB, the error is gone.

So I guess the must be a way that the IPTV network could be used to surf internet lol.
But I wouldn't do it.

Conclusion
MONOPOLY company will NOT provide GOOD service forever!

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Added on July 18, 2010, 9:16 ami bet that unifi user cant get this result



This post has been edited by sg999: Jul 18 2010, 09:16 AM

DSLAM / IP DSLAM / MSAN / RDSLAM ? no =DSLAM only 50%

MONOPOLY company will NOT provide GOOD service forever! =RIGHT = 100% if u support them they kill u dont support them not internet!

Days ago, I saw my IPTV giving Apache Error 500 whenever I press the asterisk button on the remote control.
After I reboot the STB, the error is gone.

So I guess the must be a way that the IPTV network could be used to surf internet lol.
But I wouldn't do it. (SEE THINGS ERROR STARTED!!!!) "cheap USA=DIE TV" My TV at home not even plasma live for 10 year!)=50%

Quick financial glance:

Telekom Malaysia
Market capitalisation: ~RM11.6b
Revenue: RM8.9b
Profit/loss: RM673m
Profit/loss margin: 7.5%

Maxis
Market capitalisation: ~RM40.9b
Revenue: RM7.6b
Profit/loss: RM1.6b
Profit/loss margin: 21%

Digi
Market capitalisation: ~RM17.5b
Revenue: RM4.9b
Profit/loss: RM1b
Profit/loss margin: 20.4%

Taken from various sources (sorry for any errors). Financials mostly for year ending 2009. I'm not sure why people are saying TM is still the largest telco, or making the most money. Maxis and Digi are making way more money (profit) and have bigger market capitalisation. Also, doesn't explain why Maxis/Digi isn't investing in faster and cheaper broadband.

Telekom main business is in landed telecommunications....Digi and Maxis are mobile telecommunications....they are 2 different businesses to start with..how to compare..

Quick question, can you convert to unifi, if you are still under contract with streamyx without penalty?

Yes..you can. Considered as upgrade..

as far as i know, you can't upgrade from streamyx.

You can, you just restart the 24 months contract period.

Is this speed normal?

Speedtest to Delhi, India with 20 Mbps

Speedtest to Mexico City, Mexico with 20 Mbps

Speedtest to Melbourne, Australia with 20 Mbps

I just had a Unifi 20 Mbps installation and am very unhappy with the connection. Heck, even my 4 Mbps Streamyx line is faster than my Unifi. I complained like 5 times but no one has looked into this.

The speed is seriously crap. My neighbor's 1 Mbps connection connects faster to Mexico City, Mexico and has lower latency than my connection!!