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iipohbee
post May 23 2010, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(TimKen @ May 23 2010, 10:51 AM)
I'm staying near georgetown area too, and i find it hard to believe that as a central city in penang it was not selected for unifi....
well i guess it's probably due to the cable laying problemĀ  sad.gif
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My house is just nearby down the end of the Jalan Sultan Azlan Shah road which most homes are under Tasek exchange but mine is at the border but connected to Pasir Puteh(PPP) exchange instead.
Weird that they are skipping Ipoh Central and Pasir Puteh exchanges which is basically Ipoh city core districts itself.

Why do they want to skip the cities CBD like Georgetown and Ipoh for other suburbs I have no idea.
Is it because they are under opposition ruling?You must not forget that these are where the money's at.

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post Jun 13 2010, 10:53 PM

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TM went the absolute wrong way by pushing for TV services over IP.(IPTV)

They could have streamlined and make things easier by delivering cable tv over a separate band and use regular PPPoE accounts for internet allowing other isps to share their data network instead of dividing portions of their services by using virtual circuits(VCs).

Look at other countries GPON implementation. Their ONUs have RF ports in addition to network and phone ports.

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With that your VCs are well taken care off.Just connect to the internet like your ADSL accounts via PPPoE.
Singapore's NBN is like this.
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post Jun 13 2010, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Jun 13 2010, 10:57 PM)
If they do that they'll get competition
Since the government gave them virtually a freehand in implementing the Fibre network, from what we can see anyways, of course they want to do something that makes it hard for competition to exist.
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That RF port id supposed to connect directly to your STB. It doesn't affect your internet experience at all since both services are entirely on different wavelength/bands in comparison with IPTV which shares bandwidth with your internet. TM divides the bandwidth using virtual circuits to give you guaranteed resources for IPTV.

Then again TM does not have existing cable tv infrastructure like Starhub in Singapore.
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post Jul 4 2010, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(EternalCore @ Jul 4 2010, 02:34 PM)
Better dont chnage / upgrade to any Unifi.. stay with the internet connection u guys using. If really wanna change, change to normal streamyx package. At least can PPSTREAM hehehehe
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Now you know the economics behind copper..
At least with copper you still get to enjoy the same download speeds of upto 24mbps for ADSL2+ and 50mbps for VDSL2.
Almost no installation charges if you opt for self install and best of all equipments are available widely.

FTTC fiber to the cabinet still pawns FTTH anytime.
Thailand does that, Australia does that, kiasu Singapore isn't even moved when TM announced FTTH because they know their Singtel Mio copper ADSL and Starhub Cable blows our FTTH away!
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post Jul 6 2010, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(sil3ntHunt3r @ Jul 6 2010, 04:17 PM)
This is from Unifi FAQ:

Is there any penalty if I terminate my Unifi service?

For termination within the minimum contract period, customers shall pay a penalty equivalent to the remaining contract balance. There will be no penalty charges for termination after the minimum contract period. Customers must also settle any outstanding bill prior to termination.
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That's when they get to do whatever they want with you for the next 24 months.

To recover the cost half a day site installation with pulling the fiber into your house, ONT, RG, cordless phone and IPTV STB, it's quite hard to recover the cost if they're not going to incur any charges.

Another way they could think of is as the planned 2GB per day cap for all of their users for the next 24 months..

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post Jul 17 2010, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(KAHAK @ Jul 17 2010, 07:34 AM)
Sape cakap aku malu aku cakap streamyx pun ade 5 MB ADSL lagi korang fiber optic tak lepas package 5MB basic? LoL.

Aku tengok Orang melaka ada 12 MB ADSL sungguh lagi nak gi Melaka lepas duk kat Perak ni Susah.

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Kahak tak yah nak harapkan high speed(BB)bankrupt band TM ni.

Sure bound to phail. Perak can build a more advanced fiber optic which is open to all service providers instead of relying on them to do the job.
We need the other isps to team up together to realise this.

Jaring, TNB, Time, DiGi, Umobile, Maxis, Jabatan Air Perak, Petronas can build this free open network should they want to.

We welcome all world class isps to join the team.

Pacnet, Time, Jaring, NTT Arcnet, STT Telemedia via Umobile, P1, DiGi, Maxis, AOL, So-Net(Sony Internet), M1, MSN, etc.
All are welcome to provide isp services on this open FTTH network.
For telephone fixed lines/VoIP, you can subscribe to any provider and this applies to IPTV/cable tv.ASTRO will be available on cable too.

Subscribers would be allowed to subscribed to as many isp accounts as they wish to use freely on the open network and dial as many PPPoE connections as they wish.
All subscribers will be given raw 1gbps to every premise including homes and subscribed to as many isps/cable tv/telephone servcie as they please.

I really hope to see new isps coming to our country such as AOL, MSN, NTT, So-Net, T-Online, etc.
When we have such competition, let's say you subscribe to 2 isps every month, isp A gets very slow, you can disconnect from it and try ISP 2 instead.

All these by just changing your username(different @ suffix- i.e: lolyat@isp1 or lolyat@isp2 and password.

New fiber networks have been springing up recently. H20 in UK using water pipes to run fibers, and a new method called GiG(glass over gas pipelines)
Routing fiber though gas pipes. Petroleum companies are venturing into this new field now such as TUX, Towngas Telecom HK.

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post Jul 17 2010, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(nidup @ Jul 17 2010, 03:52 PM)
streamyx can goes up until 24mbps based on ADSL2+ tech.
But with copper, there would be distance limitation,
maybe 5mbps = 50metre?
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You won't be building FTTH in kampungs anytime and those who live in highrise buildings still use copper to deliver Unifi utilizing VDSL2 tech.

Things to also note. Did you notice what kind of wiring is used to connect your Unifi fiber ONT to your router and also to the network card of your pc?
They are made of copper too.

Until one day fiber is pulled directly to the network card of your pc, they'll still call this fiber to the premise(FTTP)

Unifi 20mbps is nothing to shout about anyway. Copper can still do that if TM were wiser to start replacing those old phone switches with remote fiber fed phone cabinets.Instead they only went and spend most of the money building their FTTH networks only in a handful of areas.


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post Jul 17 2010, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Jul 17 2010, 06:22 PM)
Fiber to the premise is a generalization of fiber to the home/building. In this case, the Fiber termination unit is placed within your home in your workspace so its considered to be FTTH.

We're still very far away from having fiber pulled directly to your network card, simply because Ethernet over Cat6 already supports speeds up to 1Gbps. You can plug the current Unifi connection into your PC but you would have to then use that PC as a router + it would need to have a PCI card with the same protocol and configuration being used on the Unifi network.

It would be like using an internal ADSL card modem for your PC. There's no point to it.. it's good that they've implemented it this way.

You can't possibly compare external 2-wire copper wiring to internet Cat5/6 copper cabling. The external wiring in my area is so burnt out and broken from 30 years+ of lightning strikes, even if TM placed a DSL modulator 30 meters from my house I wouldn't be able to receive 10mbps. If they were to replace all this copper wiring, might as well start replacing it completely with fiber right?
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Understand that Unifi only offers upto 20mbps speeds which is nothing to shout about. VDSL2 can do even better at 0.5km with similar upload speeds.
Yes they should start replacing all the copper wiring from nearby phone switches to fiber fed cabinets/remote DSLAMs before thinking of FTTH to speed things up.It doesn't take much to convert to FTTH from here once you build a extensive fiber network just like many countries like Australia, Thailand and even South Korea did from their humble start.

It costs way more to pull fiber straight to your door than to nearby phone boxes. With ADSL2+, getting 16mbps is not an issue within 300m radius.Heck, even at 1km you can still get 10mbps with ease.
50mbps is possible with VDSL2+, given VDSL2+ and ADSL2+ can work together with ITU standards.
There's even a never VDSL2+ tech which could bring your speeds upto 300mbps using a phantom pair between 2 pairs coupled together.

How many of you guys could get REAL 100mbps connectivity to your homes yet at this point?
That's a good reason why Singapore isn't even hurrying on their OpenNet launch.
They're aiming for a correct model for open access instead.
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post Jul 17 2010, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Jul 17 2010, 07:02 PM)

I don't know why you're complaining about them not using copper when it can achieve 20mbps.. then you're saying 20mbps isn't much? Unifi can already hit 100mbps+, they're just not releasing it yet. There's no way in hell VDSL2 can give everyone 200mbps+ of total throughput with stability in the future over copper wiring unlike what Unifi is capable of delivering now. I'm sure it will follow in the footsteps of Streamyx with the automatic upgrading of everyone to 10/20/40mbps in the future when they have enough users.
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They are not releasing it yet and it is not going to be released anytime soon. By opting for VDSL2 for high rise buildings this hints that a 100mbps package is still years away from being released.

By the way VDSL2 is a direct P2P connection unlike GPON which splices a lead fiber upto 32DPs.Your lead fiber only allows upto 2.4GBps of bandwidth to be shared among all the splicing being done.It pretty much works like a cable modem where high fluctuations are expected to occur during congested hours.

VDSL2 is a direct connection which allows guaranteed bandwidth to the port which your phone cable is connected to.
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post Jul 17 2010, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Jul 17 2010, 07:53 PM)
What does bandwidth have to do with the way the physical system is structured? You say VDSL2 is a 'direct connection' so its somehow better but its usage in high rise buildings indicate that a 100mbps package is still far away? They would still use fiber optics to feed the VDSL2 access point with bandwidth and you'd have bandwidth contention there.

Dial up can be a direct connection yet its protocol is limited to 56kbps. Whats the point? Fiber is simply better over copper for long distance communication. You have more multiplexing methods to increase the capacity of a fiber optic line compared to a copper based system. I'm pretty sure the 2.4gbps is a limitation of the modulation and multiplexing being used.

Why should they waste our money by slowly rolling out VDSL2 then FTTH? If they put out VDSL, you guys would complain 20mbps is too low (if its even achievable). Now they're putting out fiber optic cabling which can already hit 100mbps and be upgraded over the decades with newer technology which uses the same medium .. you're saying it's a step backwards?

The only issue with this new fiber optic network is that it's going to be a closed network for quite some time which would limit competition. Its pretty decent in terms of the physical medium being utilized.
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It's all about economical feasibility. When you can bring fiber as close as 0.5km to most premises you could save considerably instead of pulling the fiber directly into buildings.You wouldn't see much difference between the 2 solutions because TM won't be offering speeds beyond 100mbps for years to come as proven by their step of choosing VDSL2 for some high rise buildings. TM is just wasting lots of money doing so and only limit the service availability to only a handful of areas while still calling it a commercial rollout. They could have saved considerably by just using remote DSLAMs fed with fiber all over the country in urban areas and major cities for the time being.When time comes where they choose to offer speeds exceeding 100mbps one day, all the need is to extend the already extensive fiber network to inside homes instead.

You mentioned copper could no where compete with pure fiber but is there a need at this moment?The speeds being offered could also be offered by copper phone wires with minor modifications to roadside phone switches. How long would other people have to wait for FTTH to arrive at other cities should they maintain at this pace of rollout?

We are already way behind even our neighboring countries where 16mbps DSL is already rollout to the mass. They even have 50mbps packages in metro areas.

You may want to know how much cost savings can VDSL2 offer compared to a FTTH setup.
It's way cheaper. No need to pull new wiring, just your plain existing copper phone wiring will do as modifications are kept within the remote DSLAM cabinet. The modems are similar priced to ADSL2+ modems which are widely available in the market.
In years to come should the need arise to upgrade beyond 100mbps or 1gbps, their fiber network should be extensive enough to justify such upgrades while cost of equipment drops over time.
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post Jul 17 2010, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Jul 17 2010, 08:49 PM)
And what would we know about economic feasibility if we're not the ones making the actual investment? I'm sure it has been put on the table before that TM wanted to use VDSL2 but in the end they went with fiber optics instead. I'm sure that as a telecommunications company, they would ultimately know which medium to go with.

The fact of the matter is that even 20mbps is considered 'slow' by our standards nowadays. How long would you have to wait if they did a VDSL followed by pure fiber rollout? You'd get your 10-16mbps for now but you'd have to wait another decade or so before you even see 20mbps-1gbps. And no, it's not just minor modifications needed if the current telephone wiring can't even deliver 4mbps with stability. They would have to replace already existing copper wiring which has oxidized and been damaged over the years, causing service interruptions to your Streamyx and phone lines.

This, along with additional debugging that's required because copper lines using xDSL always have a physical link sync issue for some reason. There's a lot of work to be done and it's not as easy as you make it sound.

I would rather wait a year or two and get FTTH which will be usable for the next quarter of a century or so rather than go through two physical medium upgrades just to satisfy a temporary lust for 10mbps+ broadband.
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At this pace their progressing too slow.To be stucked with 5mbps speeds for a few years is just too late when FTTH arrives. How do we know it's economic unfeasible? Through case studies done by AT&T, Singapore's existing market, Thailand's as well as Australia's.
They are not bringing out FTTH so soon yet they aren't worried.Not that they're uncapable of doing it with their financial means, they intend to make their rollout with extensive coverage offering really fast speeds which current copper networks aren't able to achieve. Want to launch then do a proper nationwide rollout that covers major cities.

The Unifi download speeds couldn't even touch near Singapore's Starhub's DOCSIS3.0 100mbps cable speed. So my question is do we need FTTH with only a small handful of serving areas?

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