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TheGreatBahamut
post Dec 27 2012, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(D-y @ Dec 27 2012, 09:52 PM)
guys, does water-slide decals can expired? lately I'm having problem removing them from the paper.
or do I need any other materials for this? rclxub.gif
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Not sure it will expired or not because I don't have this problem... Well do you dip it in water for at least 10sec and then try to move it with your finger or tools?
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post Dec 27 2012, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(TheGreatBahamut @ Dec 27 2012, 10:05 PM)
Not sure it will expired or not because I don't have this problem... Well do you dip it in water for at least 10sec and then try to move it with your finger or tools?
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yup, tried different time gap also. for some reason it just wont budge, when i put extra force on it I end up destroying it doh.gif
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post Jan 2 2013, 06:12 PM

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May I know what is the best timing to spray top coat ? Or clear color? So that it will not turn white
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post Jan 2 2013, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(Tsubasa66 @ Jan 2 2013, 06:12 PM)
May I know what is the best timing to spray top coat ? Or clear color? So that it will not turn white
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For me when the sun is high and evening, avoid morning since humidity is still high in the air.
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post Jan 3 2013, 08:52 PM

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So is a must to avoid humitidy, what about temperature ?? Dose it make any diff?
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post Jan 3 2013, 11:31 PM

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hello sifus, not sure if its the right thread..

im planning on doing dioramas for my figurine collection.. need help with some things..

1) base of diorama
- i read plywood is strong enuff, can get from popular..

2) building material
- saw/read that foam core is usually used besides other materials.. Juz wondering where can i get these foam? I tink normal Styrofoam is not able to the same... Foam Core

- for making trees, found some alternative where you can make own trees.. juz wondering if woodlands scenic materials can be obtained in malaysia? Can recommend me?
- another component for the trees sifu, this material, where can find in malaysia? I tink its called polyester fibre... Tree making

- for water effect, there is realistic water material.. but seems expensive.. can i know where to get the sealant as in the link provided? something that takes bit time to dry, about 1-2 hours.. so that can sculpt a bit.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFOpc8Q6a7M

- white glue that is normally used, is it pva glue?

3) paint/coat material
- water colour should be ok i tink.. but is acrylic paint good for dioramas? Is it expensive for diorama purposes? What is a good acrylic paint brand?
- noticed some people sprayed their finished dioramas with varnish... there is no harm right sifus?

appreciate any recommendations/suggestions..

Thanks.
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post Jan 4 2013, 10:17 PM

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Hi guys, do you all know where i can get an affordable cutter and craft knife? Hopefully its not too expensive yet sharp enough to do the work seamlessly.
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post Jan 5 2013, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(Tsubasa66 @ Jan 3 2013, 08:52 PM)
So is a must to avoid humitidy, what about temperature ?? Dose it make any diff?
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If the temp is too cold, the spray may form droplets which resulting spotty and uneven coverage.

QUOTE(Imdarren @ Jan 4 2013, 10:17 PM)
Hi guys, do you all know where i can get an affordable cutter and craft knife? Hopefully its not too expensive yet sharp enough to do the work seamlessly.
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You can refer here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1938419



This post has been edited by Khai62: Jan 5 2013, 10:52 AM
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post Jan 7 2013, 12:40 PM

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hello bros
im planning to get a new cutter soon but not sure if i want to get bandai's.

any recommendation on brand or place to buy ?
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post Jan 10 2013, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(geckookceg @ Jan 3 2013, 11:31 PM)
hello sifus, not sure if its the right thread..

im planning on doing dioramas for my figurine collection.. need help with some things..

1) base of diorama
- i read plywood is strong enuff, can get from popular..
yes. or anything that is strong enough to hold the dio when u move it around

2) building material
- saw/read that foam core is usually used besides other materials.. Juz wondering where can i get these foam? I tink normal Styrofoam is not able to the same... Foam Core
this is normally what we call compressed foam. it's more compressed than normally styrofoam, so it can be sanded, and oso when u cut it to certain shape, it's easier to do so. Garden art friend, or belakong multifilla sells these


- for making trees, found some alternative where you can make own trees.. juz wondering if woodlands scenic materials can be obtained in malaysia? Can recommend me?
garden's art friend & Infinite Creation workshop /ICW (PJ)  has some.

- another component for the trees sifu, this material, where can find in malaysia? I tink its called polyester fibre... Tree making
u can get from online store like hlj.com. cheaper way, try find those nylon or polyster sport bag people throw away; cut out, and slowly pull out the fibre. Note: u need to dye them


- for water effect, there is realistic water material.. but seems expensive.. can i know where to get the sealant as in the link provided? something that takes bit time to dry, about 1-2 hours.. so that can sculpt a bit.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFOpc8Q6a7M
for this, pretty much u have no choice unless u work in chemical industry that deal with such material where u can ask your supplier to give u some sample. silicon gel & white glue are the cheapest, but mainly to create waves. Still water, probably the best bet would be epoxy resin, which they use it to coat tiles. for hobby brand, which is better as for industrial ones, u dunno what formula u r getting. garden's art friend, belakong multifilla, PJ ICW sell them.


- white glue that is normally used, is it pva glue?
depends on what u glue


3) paint/coat material
- water colour should be ok i tink.. but is acrylic paint good for dioramas? Is it expensive for diorama purposes? What is a good acrylic paint brand?
water color is too translucent, poster color is a better bet. though both is not so durable, easily scratch and water/humidity might affect it. acrylic has many different formulas. I assume u r talking about artist acrylic. those r very translucent. besides that, there r acrylic ink, hobby acrylic etc each has different characteristics n usage


- noticed some people sprayed their finished dioramas with varnish... there is no harm right sifus?
if harmful, they wont be doing it. Of course, in the end, it depends in  what u have used in the dio. look, diorama is not one thing that use formula n such. it involves a lot of creativities, different materials, paints, parts, substances, chemicals etc. Just like cooking a gourmet dish; following formulas will NOT lead u very far


appreciate any recommendations/suggestions..

Thanks.
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Besides, i think asking about the questions u asked, there r better places i can recommend u to. Not suitable to do it here as it might involves other forums too. if u interested, do pm me.


This is my recent work 3 Zakus Is this something u r looking for?

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Raive93
post Jan 12 2013, 11:47 PM

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After all this time, i have decided to go for hand painting, since it is less pricey and my environment works better with hand painting instead with spraying. So, i would like to ask a few question about hand painting.

please correct me if i am wrong

1. I heard that lacquer is bad on ABS, so must prime before spray it and lacquer are bad for hand painting.

2. is enamel also harm plastic and require priming before painting?

3. my hobby shop here, i can only get gaia notes(lacquer), mr. hobby and tamiyas. For tamiya acrylic, i know that i can dilute with water, but mr. hobby's acrylics need thinner to dilute right?

4. I would like some shiny colours, but since the paint i can get here is limited, my only bet is tamiyas acrylic(not sure how many colours can i get here), so for tamiya acrylic metallic like colour, can i dilute it with water also?

that is all for now

thanks in advanced
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post Jan 13 2013, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(Raive93 @ Jan 12 2013, 11:47 PM)
After all this time, i have decided to go for hand painting, since it is less pricey and my environment works better with hand painting instead with spraying. So, i would like to ask a few question about hand painting.

please correct me if i am wrong

1. I heard that lacquer is bad on ABS, so must prime before spray it and lacquer are bad for hand painting.
--- never encounter it before.. Priming is a must at least for me.

2. is enamel also harm plastic and require priming before painting?
--- no and prime

3. my hobby shop here, i can only get gaia notes(lacquer), mr. hobby and tamiyas. For tamiya acrylic, i know that i can dilute with water, but mr. hobby's acrylics need thinner to dilute right?
--- mr hobby can, mr color cannot

4. I would like some shiny colours, but since the paint i can get here is limited, my only bet is tamiyas acrylic(not sure how many colours can i get here), so for tamiya acrylic metallic like colour, can i dilute it with water also?
--- not sure.. I suggest you go buy a leveling thinner since your doing a hand painting rather that thinning it with water.

that is all for now

thanks in advanced
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post Jan 13 2013, 10:24 AM

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hmmm, can i extract the paint from spray cans and use it on hand painting? Will it dry too fast? or the paint extracted will dry up a few months if kept? because majority people say that airbrush is more cost efficient in long run because spray cans(Tamiyas) are quite expensive and high wastage because spray cans covers a big area and thickness of it.

Please correct me if i am wrong

So, based on calculation, spray cans 100ml approx RM 26, with paint bottles 10ml approx RM 9. Even if the paint bottles is dilute with water or with thinner(extra cost). Aren't spray bottles more cost saving? Of course, provided that it wont straight dry up the moment i paint on the parts.

Thank you
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post Jan 13 2013, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(Raive93 @ Jan 13 2013, 10:24 AM)
hmmm, can i extract the paint from spray cans and use it on hand painting? Will it dry too fast? or the paint extracted will dry up a few months if kept? because majority people say that airbrush is more cost efficient in long run because spray cans(Tamiyas) are quite expensive and high wastage because spray cans covers a big area and thickness of it.

-just decant what ever amount you need in a small bottle. Don't decant in one shot. I'm not pretty sure about tamiya's spray can but industrial one I've been using can last long in a tightly sealed bottle. If you doing this hobby for a very long time, I suggest go get an airbrush

Please correct me if i am wrong

So, based on calculation, spray cans 100ml approx RM 26, with paint bottles 10ml approx RM 9. Even if the paint bottles is dilute with water or with thinner(extra cost). Aren't spray bottles more cost saving? Of course, provided that it wont straight dry up the moment i paint on the parts.

---the beauty of small bottles is the variety of color you can choose compared to spray can. If you know how to mix up paint, you don't need expensive paint like tamiya, you can used industrial spray can like anchor brand for basic color. Once you have an airbrush it's even easier. just decant, mix and spray.. @RM7, it's best bang for the buck..


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post Jan 13 2013, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(nazrul90 @ Dec 20 2012, 03:18 PM)
this is what i paint with industrial paint(Anchor) and Gaia Color
silver and gold do give you metal like paint look

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QUOTE(Noysan @ Jan 13 2013, 11:58 AM)

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So anchor paint is industrial and i can get it at any hardware shop right? and is that every anchor paint that shiny metal like?

And could you name some nice base colour from what brand that gives metal like shine? for example

- gold
- red
- blue
- grey etc

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post Jan 13 2013, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Raive93 @ Jan 13 2013, 12:19 PM)
So anchor paint is industrial and i can get it at any hardware shop right? and is that every anchor paint that shiny metal like?
---yes..Practice your spray first before. If you gonna used tamiya, might as well practice first on cheaper spray can.
And could you name some nice base colour from what brand that gives metal like shine? for example

- gold
-- i haven't use gold spray can before
- red
-- i do it in layer... silver ---> candy/clear red
- blue
--- same...silver ---> candy/clear blue
- grey etc
-- i haven't use before
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post Jan 13 2013, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(Noysan @ Jan 13 2013, 12:30 PM)

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Then do you prime the joint or do masking when applying lacquer, since lacquer will makes the abs brittle if apply lacquer paints on abs without priming.
And what is the mixing ratio for lacquer paint?

thank you.
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QUOTE(Raive93 @ Jan 13 2013, 01:06 PM)
Then do you prime the joint or do masking when applying lacquer, since lacquer will makes the abs brittle if apply lacquer paints on abs without priming.
-- the real question would be will the overall finish/appearance of the kit will be affected if the joints is painted or not painted. It all depends on you
And what is the mixing ratio for lacquer paint?
-- I have no particular ratio I go for consistency of milk when thinning paint.
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post Jan 13 2013, 05:00 PM

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For the bottle primer/surfacer, do i still need to thin it before use?

and for lacquer, if i use it for hand printing, do i thin it with thinner or retarder?
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QUOTE(Raive93 @ Jan 13 2013, 05:00 PM)
For the bottle primer/surfacer, do i still need to thin it before use?
--yes

and for lacquer, if i use it for hand printing, do i thin it with thinner or retarder?
bottle, yes.. spray can, no. retarder goes together with thinner to slow the drying of the paint..

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