FYI, even before launched, TM decide not to implement the cap for at least 3 month 1st, to see the usage and consumer behavior.. ur boycott dont have to do with it in anyway... TM will consider the FINAL amount of capping in several months after the launch as that's why TM give unlimited usage for now. The cap in initial launch is just to let the consumer ready there will be cap as it is common for all Internet provider all over the world to control the internet traffic (to give fairness to less frequent downloaders that did not take too much of the bandwidth), but the cap amount still not FINAL. As for a fact, TM need as many as possible people to use Unifi so TM can do assessment on the usage and consumer downloading behavior so TM can decide on more appropriate amount of cap.. Inifi still new, and need to be assess first... So that later, everybody will happy. Down loaders, regular internet surfer, and so on... Support and use our nation product so later can be improved due to customer behavior and suggestion.

Think it this way, for each subscription of VIP package, u will get an IPTV... If u noticed, other internet provider in other countries dont give IPTV for its bundle... and for the high price of the package, in business sense, Unifi customer still in little number. Once it grower, the price should go down as the cost consumer per capital will decrease due to high duit modal from existing customer. (just like u start business, will make high/market price first (launch package), after more regular customer, u can buy things in bundle (the unit, the cable) and can give more discount to ur regular customer(the monthly fee)). The major thing for all the early consumer is, NO INSTALLATION FEE (which will later been implemented and can cost until more than rm300 due to ur geographical environment), NO ACTIVATION, NO RENTAL FEE and so on.. see this link-->
TM full package subscription

In my opinion, whoever subscribe early, will have an advantage later on as in the future im sure, after the promotional period (which is until end of June), people will complaint about installation cost for sure!!

Depends on ur guys wanna believe it or not, wanna skeptical or not... just like kata pepatah, setiap benda ada hikmah... and the power of intention is so powerful.. if u see it negatively, what can i do? its ur opinion.. im respect the opinion.. and all what im saying is nothing but the truth... thanks...

This post has been edited by vandread86: Mar 28 2010, 07:08 AM

Subscribe early get advantages? Goand check early streamyx subscriber, see it is cheaper than todays combo,blockblaster deal or not.

++ IS MUST BE IN HD FORMAT++

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Added on March 28, 2010, 10:06 amso
limit?
then no subsribe
hahahah

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Added on March 28, 2010, 10:07 amyalo
kacau betul

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Added on March 28, 2010, 10:08 ambut tat one is buisness wo

This post has been edited by sg999: Mar 28 2010, 10:08 AM

I wouldn't mind registering for the 5Mbps business package. I wonder if it comes with static IP. If it does , then its worth it

Thats the thing. You register now , sign a contract for 2 years and bam if they change the T&C - youll be screwed. We'll just wait and see till end of the year , to see how it progresses

when you subscribe TMNut Screamyx, you'll get an email account from it... dun tell me you check the mail as often as you check other services like yahoo, gmail and hotmail

some among us would not care, and even dun give a damn about IPTV, we just want a stable and consistent connection other than another hype that would be turn into another joke in the future.

in another sense, TMNut is forcing IPTV and the phone down into consumer's throat by putting free/ existing packages into it and attempt penetrate our buttocks by charging in a high price!!! no hidden cost mah *BEEEP*!!! in the end it will be another lag fest with undesirable international browsing and we seen and experienced how they solve their issue:

1mbps lag -> 2mbps deal... if it lags... 4mbps deal... lag happens again... moar help desk... where's the smooth and stable connection we desired?

srsly, you think this UNIFAIL will be successful with a heft price like this? try and promote this in rural area... their income is 'HIGH' enough to sustain it...

please do sign up for the deal if you think this is a good deal in the long run. i'll get a big bucket to fill you tears when TMNut starts to act up again and make your streaming speed as fast as 512kbps users

This package is good if you are the impatient type who needs his download/upload finished yesterday. Unfortunately the years of slow internet in Malaysia has taught us the virtue of patience and automated download/upload.

I think the 60GB cap for 5 Mbps is sufficient for 1 person. Using normal web surfer / normal downloading / YouTube streaming. I'm in Singapore and I have a 7.2 Mbps HSDPA plan and it's capped at 50 GB, and I myself typically use about ~35 GB a month. However, for family/household purposes, 60 GB is clearly insufficient... My Streamyx bill already indicates roughly ~135 GB a month. So I think the cap should be placed at roughly 150 GB or so.

I hope the cap only applies to international bandwidth, if it's implemented. To save on international bandwidth, we should be getting content providers and CDNs to bring their infrastructure into Malaysia. For example, YouTube can bring their Content Delivery Network servers into Malaysia's internal network such that content can be served with much less cost. So does other common CDNs such as Akamai or Amazon CloudFront. This means less usage of expensive international bandwidth -> lower cost for TM -> lower cost for subscribers. To my knowledge, they do have CDNs in Singapore, as I'm getting pings of roughly 20 ms to the YouTube content servers (*.c.youtube.com).

I do

Don't be stupid.

Your contract is 2 years. If you guys register just because "no cap for now", they already win. They can implement any cap they want and then you're going to complain at that time. You people have to be SMARTER CONSUMERS.

Don't buy into their bullshit.


Another naive and gullible person.

Do you build a highway, and assess how many people use it before charging a toll or deciding if you need more lanes? No. You do market studies, research and analysis to get a future projection. When its launched, you already know how much you should be charging and how much the capacity would be like. Any and every product/service is like this. You don't launch wait for customers, then only decide on limitations.

Do you really think TM will give an appropriate amount? That is laughable. The more of you sign up, the less international bandwidth they'll have and the more they'll likely have to cap. So don't be surprised if suddenly the 60GB becomes 30GB, and they pull out some bullshit statistics that says that average person only using 30GB. You people are giving them too much power to decide what your internet should be like.

They already have data from beta testers, so they already have some assessment there. THAT is the whole point of beta testing. If they wanted to assess bandwidth, they should just give us all a free trial for 3 months or something and then implement a cap based on our usage and see if we would like to continue using the service.


I don't care too much for IPTV and I would rather pay for something I know what I'm getting. Rather than pay for a 2 year contract for something which I have no idea what I'm getting. Am i getting a 60GB cap? or maybe 30GB? 150GB? What? I don't know, why should I put money down for something uncertain? You shouldn't be putting money down for an UNCERTAIN & AMBIGUOUS CONTRACT.


No matter what, installation costs would not be anywhere near the price of 3-6 months of unifi. So even if you pay the for installation costs, that is FINE because you know what you're paying for. If you subscribe to unifi now, and get waived off for the installation fee, and later they cap you to a level you do not agree with. What then? You already signed the contract and have to pay the remainder of the 2 years.

Be a smart consumer, dictate the terms to them before we even subscribe so its all written in the contract.


Don't take this negatively, but people like you is exactly why our country doesn't progress. Its why tmnet can come out with stupid excuses and why they can mistreat consumers. Its why politicians can make stupid lies and get away with it. Its because you're all so damn gullible. A fast one is being pulled on you, and you can still defend it.

To highlight double standards. (and for what? "free" stuff - Let's follow Sweden shall we.)
I am stating it, why thank you.
No belittling done to honest users of the system. It's the free for all i must have everything mentality @ greed which I am questioning.

Understandable request. So where does the line stop ? If I have 20 people in my house and I subscribe to a 60GB package, shall I demand for a 600Gb cap ? (not you of course, but someone might come in and start )

It makes a big point. So much so if God willing there was no "free" stuff, things would be very very much different. Can't argue with legal spending and actual purchase of digital games, but I think if you have pockets deep enough for those, Internet caps are the least of your worries; i.e. RM100 for a recent 10GB game, so that's RM600 to reach the 60GB cap.

Do you know for a fact that they don't invest ? too little ? to whom ?
I'll quote ihsan's reply for this:

Nope, you then purchase the 20mbps line which would give you a cap close to that, or you just go purchase the business line The line stops at a reasonable cap, which IMO would be around 150GB per month for 5mbps.


The pockets aren't necessarily deep, you can buy a game at anytime, perhaps one every few months, but that doesn't mean it should be additional cost from your internet as well! Don't forget games have patches, and have you seen the patch sizes for some games on steam?


Its a fact, just check our international bandwidth crisis, it can be solved by investing more, but they're not.

Once again, this isn't looking from a proper perspective. As a business, you should have done market research and also had plans for expansion. You're sold something to your customers, with a level of expectation in the form of a contract. You later then just amend that contract because you want more subscribers but you don't want to increase your own capacity to handle that.

Streamyx in its early days was amazing, I loved the speed (I started with the 384kbps, 60 hours package when it first came out, and later upgraded to 512kbps unlimtied when that package was available). Customer service was great, and I enjoyed that for about a year+ before they started the mass recruitment campaign. They got so many people on board, they couldn't handle the load.

When its obvious they couldn't handle the load, what did they do? Increaes the capacity? No, they recruited more people, released higher packages that used even more bandwidth for higher prices.

Its not our fault we're using for WHAT WE PAID FOR, its tmnet's fault for not coming up with proper packages, and not expanding to fit the capacity, they just keep overselling to reap in profits and blame the consumers. If secret recipe were to sell you a cake, you paid full price for the cake, and expect to eat the whole cake, but they tell you that you're not supposed to eat the whole cake, you take a bite and pass it on to the next person. Cause he also paid for a whole cake and should get a bite, and there are many more.

What would your response to that be? Blame the person for buying a whole cake? Or blame secret recipe for not making enough cakes available?

I'm all for bandwidth capping............

That is kiasu ah beng mentality. You will milk every drop of what you bought. If I paid a toll in a highway I'm gonna use some long 2-lane tank on it and block other drivers who are driving modest vehicles?

ISP capacity isn't planned on every user downloading 24/7, that kind of cost would bankrupt even the richest country.

TM has a hold on submarine cable landing rights, deregulate and make everyone compete on a level playing field.
Lets see who goes titsup first.

Do you know for a fact that if some of these smart alecs were to run their own isps it would go titsup...really?

You're not paying for exclusive use of their Int'l backbone. You're paying for a broadband connection with the added service of Internet connectivity.
Using your same cake analogy (simplified - both you and I know it's not a fair comparison), since you want it for yourself, there are options called dedicated lease lines.
Single slice of cake - cheaper. Whole cake - much more expensive.

STREAMYX OLEDI BANKRUP? ??????????????

Then don't market is as such. Simple as that no?

If you tell me I get unlimited downloads, don't complain when I actually use it like that! Which is why I'm saying caps are fine, but if you want my business and others, make it reasonable. Don't just give empty marketing promises, and then pull back what you promised when people use what you advertised for.

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Added on March 28, 2010, 1:39 pmNo, not exclusive use, but I am paying for my 1mbps, so I do expect to get 1mbps use out of it. You want to cap me, that's fine, as long as the cap is reasonable. So I know what I'm paying for. Using back the cake analogy, if I pay for a bite of a cake, and I get a bite, I'm fine with that. I pay for a slice, and I get a bite, I'm going to be pissed. I pay for a cake, and get a bite, I'm going to even more pissed.

Tmnet is overselling, and you know it. Rather than increase their capacity, they just continue to overload it, and throttle people and complain that its the consumer's fault.

Load of bullshit.

This post has been edited by silverhawk: Mar 28 2010, 01:39 PM

Submarine cable landing rights ?

http://www.tm.com.my/about-tm/media-centre...arineCable.aspx

Did Ryaz Patel do his homework I wonder ? Though to be truly neutral, I'm still searching for something from MCMC.
The key point being "should they choose to invest".


Q #2 - Take a pick from the other ISPs. Those who fell and those who are surviving. For those who are still alive and kicking, how are their business and services like ?

using your cake analogy, we are NOT buying a broadband connection with the added service of Internet connectivity.
that is to say we are not buying the base of the cake with the cream on top as an added service.

iptv and voip, the cherries, choc chips on a cake are the added services.

moving on.

i am not saying i want the whole darn cake. (maybe some do but whatever)
all i want is the slice of the cake to be bigger and to commensurate what im paying for it.

meaning instead of slicing up the cake into 50 pieces for eg. i would like the cake to be sliced into 30 slices so i will get a bigger slice compared to the former...

This post has been edited by almaty: Mar 28 2010, 01:43 PM

It might surprise you that some restaurants have a "minimum spend per person" condition!

It's unfriendly, but I'd imagine it came about after the restaurant proprietors got tired of cheap people coming in a large group, ordering a plate to share, then overstaying their welcome for hours

That's the thing. You're paying for bites. Not whole slices (or cakes). And the cakes regenerate magically @ user behaviour. So if everyone took bites within "fair usage" grounds, there's always a bite for everyone.
Some bite more, some bite less. But for some who bite all the time, now that's the problem.

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Added on March 28, 2010, 1:49 pmThat's why it's called 3-play sayang. Internet connectivity and broadband connection are not the same thing. It's just been (wrongfully) used to represent the other.

I get what both you and silverhawk are saying on the bigger cake slices and that I believe that can be achieved if there are much less cake hoarders.

This post has been edited by Eoma: Mar 28 2010, 01:49 PM