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allycat
post Aug 2 2010, 10:23 AM

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Just an update on the defects I've seen on my V20. The engineer came and saw what I meant. He needs to report to his professional member for further resolution, and will contact me again.

I'll post further updates after their professional feedback.

But seriously, doesn't anybody else seeing what I've been seeing on y V20 ie. motion blurring, judderring etc?
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post Aug 2 2010, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(allycat @ Aug 2 2010, 10:23 AM)
Just an update on the defects I've seen on my V20. The engineer came and saw what I meant. He needs to report to his professional member for further resolution, and will contact me again.

I'll post further updates after their professional feedback.

But seriously, doesn't anybody else seeing what I've been seeing on  y V20 ie. motion blurring, judderring etc?
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post Aug 2 2010, 12:03 PM

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Allycat, I noticed the juddering only on my STD ass-throw but unable to test any other input as my DVD player kaput. Do keep us updated. Yours happened in other input or source or only ass-throw. I also noticed this problem on my old TV using CRT tech. I hope it is due to the ass-throw signal problem.
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post Aug 2 2010, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(blade63 @ Aug 2 2010, 12:03 PM)
Allycat, I noticed the juddering only on my STD ass-throw but unable to test any other input as my DVD player kaput. Do keep us updated. Yours happened in other input or source or only ass-throw. I also noticed this problem on my old TV using CRT tech. I hope it is due to the ass-throw signal problem.
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Hi Blade63,
I notice some but not so much in DVD. Compating DVD and BD sources, the defect is more noticeble for BDs.

Allycat.
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post Aug 2 2010, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(allycat @ Aug 2 2010, 12:20 PM)
Hi Blade63,
I notice some but not so much in DVD. Compating DVD and BD sources, the defect is more noticeble for BDs.

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BD source via PS3 or other BD Player ?
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post Aug 2 2010, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(SteadyPana @ Aug 2 2010, 01:18 PM)
BD source via PS3 or other BD Player ?
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BD source is BD player Pioneer 320.
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post Aug 2 2010, 04:00 PM

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Allycat, is there any chance that you can borrow other BD player and is your BD disc original? (sorry about asking this question)
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post Aug 2 2010, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(blade63 @ Aug 2 2010, 04:00 PM)
Allycat, is there any chance that you can borrow other BD player and is your BD disc original? (sorry about asking this question)
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Yes, it's original, bought from Amazon UK.

As for other BD player, have to look around but I don't think it's the problem. I don't see these defects when I use my Pioner with my old LG plasma.


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post Aug 2 2010, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(allycat @ Aug 2 2010, 04:29 PM)
Yes, it's original, bought from Amazon UK.

As for other BD player, have to look around but I don't think it's the problem. I don't see these defects when I use my Pioner with my old LG plasma.
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Something to do with the PAL/NTSC signals ? I've one PAL original BD which I will try on this week, the rest mostly NTSC based BD. Amazon UK only selling PAL-based BD if not mistaken wink.gif


Added on August 2, 2010, 4:48 pmSifus, what is the folder structure for those AVCHD file to be playback via SD and USB ?? Kindly help. Thanks ! icon_question.gif icon_question.gif


Added on August 2, 2010, 4:54 pmSee the site, it's stated as Infinite Black Pro for V20 Series - very misleading right ?? hmm.gif

http://www.panasonic.com.my/viera/

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post Aug 2 2010, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(SteadyPana @ Aug 2 2010, 04:41 PM)
Something to do with the PAL/NTSC signals ? I've one PAL original BD which I will try on this week, the rest mostly NTSC based BD. Amazon UK only selling PAL-based BD if not mistaken   wink.gif
NTSC or PAL? Does it apply for BD and DVD? I thought only the Regions is the important criteria. Pls enlighten.

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QUOTE(allycat @ Aug 2 2010, 04:59 PM)
NTSC or PAL? Does it apply for BD and DVD? I thought only the Regions is the important criteria. Pls enlighten.

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NTSC and PAL applies to DVD (not sure about BD).
if your tv standard is PAL, and you play NTSC content (can be satellite tv show too), you'll see the juddering.
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post Aug 2 2010, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Aug 2 2010, 05:49 PM)
NTSC and PAL applies to DVD (not sure about BD).
if your tv standard is PAL, and you play NTSC content (can be satellite tv show too), you'll see the juddering.
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post Aug 3 2010, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Aug 2 2010, 05:49 PM)
NTSC and PAL applies to DVD (not sure about BD).
if your tv standard is PAL, and you play NTSC content (can be satellite tv show too), you'll see the juddering.
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I checked with an AV specialist. He said Region 1 is with NTSC and Region 2 is with PAL. But both types will only give you difference in colour and contrast levels. Region 1 will have better contrast levels than Region 2 but Region 2 will give richer colurs. Both Regions will not cause motion blurr or juddering when playing back on a BD player that can play all regions.

Any experts care to comment or add to it?

Allycat.
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QUOTE(allycat @ Aug 3 2010, 09:00 AM)
I checked with an AV specialist. He said Region 1 is with NTSC and Region 2 is with PAL. But both types will only give you difference in colour and contrast levels. Region 1 will have better contrast levels than Region 2 but Region 2 will give richer colurs. Both Regions will not cause motion blurr or juddering when playing back on a BD player that can play all regions.

Any experts care to comment or add to it?

Allycat.
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allycay,

NTSC and PAL have different colour spaces. It needs to be calibrated differently. Else u will get what u r describing.

Contrast is not true, unless the player is messing up the decoding. The white point for both is the same.


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post Aug 3 2010, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 3 2010, 09:10 AM)
allycay,

NTSC and PAL have different colour spaces. It needs to be calibrated differently. Else u will get what u r describing.

Contrast is not true, unless the player is messing up the decoding. The white point for both is the same.
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Tks, anfieldude.

I'll consider your advice when I'm ready for your calibration.

But I think it will be very cumbersome to cater for both NTSC and PAL exactly, as this mean I've to change input when playing Region 1 or 2 BDs.

What about BDs that says all Regions? How do I handle that?

Allycat

PS: But then it doesn't explain the defects seen on Byond.
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post Aug 3 2010, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(allycat @ Aug 3 2010, 09:30 AM)
Tks, anfieldude.

I'll consider your advice when I'm ready for your calibration.

But I think it will be very cumbersome to cater for both NTSC and PAL exactly, as this mean I've to change input when playing Region 1 or 2 BDs.

What about BDs that says all Regions? How do I handle that?

Allycat

PS: But then it doesn't explain the defects seen on Byond.
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These are for DVDs.

BDs from whichever region is mastered to the HD709 colour space. So there shd be no issues.

The B.yond defects from what u hv explained seem to be inline with the problems seen in the UK for 50Hz material and it is some artefacting. I doubt there is a real fix for this at the moment.
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post Aug 3 2010, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 3 2010, 10:02 AM)
These are for DVDs.

BDs from whichever region is mastered to the HD709 colour space. So there shd be no issues.

The B.yond defects from what u hv explained seem to be inline with the problems seen in the UK for 50Hz material and it is some artefacting. I doubt there is a real fix for this at the moment.
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Tks, anfieldude. Hopefully I have better luck with Panasonic Malaysia.

I also hope more M'sian V20 users, who are having these problems, will report to Panasonic Malaysia so that we can get better response from them. Please don't settle for a product that is not living up to its claimed performance or having noticeable defects.

Allycat
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post Aug 3 2010, 10:51 AM

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allycat,

I do not have any bd player nor disc. It will be helpful for other V series owner to help you out if you could let them know the title of the disc and which part of the movie that shows the defects. Then they may try to see if they are facing the same problem. What about the cable connection?. You used HDMI class 2? cheers
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 3 2010, 10:02 AM)
These are for DVDs.

BDs from whichever region is mastered to the HD709 colour space. So there shd be no issues.

The B.yond defects from what u hv explained seem to be inline with the problems seen in the UK for 50Hz material and it is some artefacting. I doubt there is a real fix for this at the moment.
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Hi Anfieldude

Does it affect DVD playing movie mode 24fps then? what is the color space of DVD 24fps?

Thanks

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