After compare let us know, see which one cheaper

Physically, X20K has a rectangle base while the X28K has an oval base. If I am not mistaken, the remote control is also different. Not sure whether there is any difference on the onscreen settings.

Hi, I am new to this site. I had been waiting for the Panasonic VIERA TH-P42V20K since February 2010, finally got the unit last Saturday. They shipped in by courier service I was told for the whole of Sarawak only have 3 units. It is assemble in Singapore. Power consumption is 350W standby power 0.4W. The Display Panel is G13 Progressive Full-HD NeoPDP (Plasma Display Panel)/Infinite Black. This panel is the result of Panasonic take over Pioneer’s KURO plasma technology and related patents. Which I believe is the same plasma technology as Kuro. Panasonic have worked with the technology since May 2009.
It took me 2 months of research between LCD, LED and varies manufacturers, to conclude this model. Value purchase is one of the main selection factors base on current available products. I stared repaired TV in 1979, trained by Pioneer in 1980.
As many try to compare to which model market in USA, I personally did some study I believe is close to G25 series.
The color and black level of the unit are far superior. The only weakness is from my own experience and point of view the picture noise is noticeable under some conditions. I am working on in the setting up of the DLNA. I wish some one with good experience welling to share his/her knowledge with me.

Really? Cos I thought the black level is still not quite reach the Kuro level yet.
Its black, but definitely not Kuro.

Please visit this web site http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subac...l&id=1257521076

It will tell you what happen to Pioneer Kuro. Please before you make any statement or questions due with fact not just you own view.

Arrogant newbie, you think we don't know about the old news? You think we don't know what happened to Kuro? Thanks for showing a link for a 2009 article. V20 is good but not as good as Kuro.

Cool, since u repair TVs do u have the tools to check the greyscale, minimum luminance levels, gamma, colour and contrast ratios on the set. That would help back ur statement. Good to see someone with so much experience in displays chiming in here.

The Infinite Black is not the same as the Infinite Black Pro panels. The cell technology is similar with the baffle design but its not the same. As such, there are differences. Also the dithering technology for the two companies are different as well as the half toning algorithms.

Due to the difference in dithering mechanisms between the Pios and the Pannys, the Pannys will actually perceive to show less "picture noise" but this more false contouring.

The colour and black levels being far superior that you mention are when compared to the older Pannys or other displays?

The patents portion is a little fuzzy, there is no clear indication of what patents were licensed.

Hi, great that you understand my post. The color and black levels compare to Panasonic S20. When you do cross reference comparison in a normal practice will have to state the manufacture and its model.
Regarding the instrument to take measurement of all the parameters you mentioned each manufacture have their own method so as an Instrument Engineer I try not to get involve in a non standard measurement. Remember measurements are taken with conditions (may be in static), what you and me have in watching TV are in dynamic mode. This is my own opinion why spend time doing something very subjective, does it have the economy scale. The final end result is, are you satisfied with the Monitor that you purchase on what you are paying for?
The statement said “Panasonic and Pioneer began collaborating before Pioneer had to exit the plasma market due to heavy losses. Subsequently this has led to speculation that Panasonic would take over Pioneer’s KURO plasma technology and related patents. Panasonic has now officially done so, according to Pioneer’s Annual Report, and Panasonic have worked with the technology since May 2009.” That what the statement been published. My opinion and understanding on the statement is Pioneer and Panasonic has been working together before they take over KURO plasma technology and related patents, that they may involved in technology secret. I never made any statement that Panasonic V series is better than Pioneer KURO, as someone did not made an effort try to understand and get very sensitive on the subject.
On the patent part I flipped through Pioneer Plasma patent that file in US and try to find out more which are the patent right sold to Panasonic only with my free time only or I may not investigate further. Patent is a rich man game, Co cola never patent their mixture they keep it as technology secret. Is difficult to understand my opinion unless you had real experience in patent.
Everyone have their own bias on visual, so I believe and my opinion is you just have to chose the product that will satisfy your own visual requirement, of course within your financial capacity.

i have watch a few Blu-ray on the new v20 and made close observation on the black levels (without calibration) which is really impressive especially in dim environment

but for sure, the V20 panels reflection and glare have improve significantly over last year models or could even match kuro for that matter

it is catching up on the Kuro but NOT THERE YET but i think next year high end G14 neoplasma pannys will be really close or even surpass the kuro

only the highest end sammy or sony LED could measure up with the KURO on best black levels

P/S

for those who own the V20 , there is some possibilities that it could be the real V minus the THX and I.B. PRO panels as i noticed the whole back panel and the connectors layout design and bezel resemble the UK or US non 3D V20/25 models

This post has been edited by sunnyK: Jun 21 2010, 01:14 PM

Has anyone tested the V20 back panel 5.1 Digital sound optical signal pass-thru to Amp?

This post has been edited by ngbh-lwt: Jun 21 2010, 02:14 PM

I'm sorry, I do not agree with you regarding the measurement portion. Although, picture is dynamic, the rendering of each image is frame by frame. What you do when u calibrate a display is to ensure that u set all the parameters to standards. When the static portion is rendered correctly (ie, greyscale, gamma, etc) the dynamic portion is a function of image processing. On high end displays, this portion is stellar making the difference between static patterns and dynamic movements the same. If this is the case, then calibration of a display is worthless, but it isn't.

Statements, are just that statements. Pioneer and Panny started working before this statement, they were supposed to use Panny panels in 10G Pio panels. However, there were problems becoz the plants were setup differently and it was not as easy as just transfering people and IP around. Both Pio and Panny understood that much later. They were different companies set up differently with different paths. In the end, with no other viable option, Pio decided to pull the plug on the display business.

Now, cross licensing of patents is another issue. I am more than familiar with patents and have a couple filed myself and some pending patent application both in the US and in Malaysia. For these big companies, patents are everything. It shows ur IP portfolio and it prevents the other to use someone else's idea blatantly without some engineering work. However, there are workarounds, cross licensing, patent buyout and licensing or re-engineering are all ways to get around.

From waht I know, Pio licensed some of the patents for now. Not all, some are apparent in this years Pannys, others probably more so in the next years set. Also Panny will continue to improve.

We can continue this discussion further if u want.

Great to learn that you are an inventor. On patent subject let discus it over the Patent related Web.
I filed and got my patent when Patent Right first introduced into Malaysia. I had others all on my own. But finally still prefers technology secret, again this is my own opinion.
On Display calibration yes is essential to do at certain extend but to me had no economy scale if you were have to do it yourself now and than. Method of measurement may be different from manufacturer to manufacturer. You are in a better position to know why?
I wish someone to share on DLNA setup with me.

think there is no DLNA setup to do in the v20k. only that the unit needs to be connected to the network. I had mine hookup without problem and can 'see' my media player straight away. Not sure if you mean what i think.

Thanks for your respond. On V20K there is no setup you are right but work will be on the sever side. I need to know which software platform you are currently using? Do you use PC or Net work Sever for the storage, please provide details. As I know there are software involve I do not like to try an error with it. If you do not mind please like me know your V20K operating firmware version.

This post has been edited by kgsiaw: Jun 21 2010, 04:23 PM

My TV firmware is 5.500 and recently upgraded from 5.204 (both version DLNA works). The version 5.5 - the changes i see is the Skype changes from "coming soon" to "beta". Skype beta will need th camera to work, else it kicks you out.

My media server is IOBOX which serves as a DLNA server. I remember I read the v20 manual, it says that windows 7 (and another software which i cannot remember its name) can serve as a DLNA server as well.

For one thing, I tried to set the IP manually instead of letting it to grab the IP, it failed to work. The Ip must be set to AUTO, at least for my netgear router setup.

This post has been edited by ngbh-lwt: Jun 21 2010, 05:16 PM

Thank you very much for your information. Great to learn that you are ahead in setting up the DLNA as I just got my TV last Saturday. My TV firmware is 5.204, may I know the download link for the firmware, it is from Panasonic Global.
As for your media server IOBOX, sorry for asking are you referring to IOBOX-100HD, that Chipset Sigma Designs SMP8635 Memory 256MB DDR SDRAM / 32MB Flash support one SATA 2.5 or 3.5” hard disk (any idea max capacity of the HD). Can you get the unit locally if you do not mind how much? IOBOX-100HD display resolution is 1080 correct me if I am wrong.
For the IP address shall take your valuable advise.
I have an idea to use Twonty media to setup the DLNA Sever but still in KIV. Just need to learn more locally or aboard forum before i move.

Once you have your tv connected to the network, the firmware can be upgarded straight from the tv.
Yes, IOBOX-100HD. can buy from its web. sent by courier. If not mistaken, it costs around rm5xx. I bought by this way.
I put in 1TB HDD and no problem at all. Yes, it supports 1080p. It run on Linux (embeded). Can managed from PC.

This post has been edited by ngbh-lwt: Jun 21 2010, 05:46 PM

Hi ngbh-lwt, thank you very much for your valuable information on Panasonic DLNA sever and the TV firmware update. If I decide to use IOBOX-100HD will have to follow your path. My network switch is D link. Wish you the best.

A friend of mine in Aust bought a 50" V20A for A$2499 (about RM 7400) with media player, AVATAR bluray disc. By comparison, ours at RM 6799 is still quite OK. I assume their V20A spec is the same as our V20K spec.

He did not do the 100 hrs burn in thingy. Still OK ?

Is this 100 hrs a must, written in the manual ?

Is the 100 hrs continuously ? Or in stages ?

Thanks.