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post Jun 21 2010, 10:36 AM

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Hi, I am new to this site. I had been waiting for the Panasonic VIERA TH-P42V20K since February 2010, finally got the unit last Saturday. They shipped in by courier service I was told for the whole of Sarawak only have 3 units. It is assemble in Singapore. Power consumption is 350W standby power 0.4W. The Display Panel is G13 Progressive Full-HD NeoPDP (Plasma Display Panel)/Infinite Black. This panel is the result of Panasonic take over Pioneer’s KURO plasma technology and related patents. Which I believe is the same plasma technology as Kuro. Panasonic have worked with the technology since May 2009.
It took me 2 months of research between LCD, LED and varies manufacturers, to conclude this model. Value purchase is one of the main selection factors base on current available products. I stared repaired TV in 1979, trained by Pioneer in 1980.
As many try to compare to which model market in USA, I personally did some study I believe is close to G25 series.
The color and black level of the unit are far superior. The only weakness is from my own experience and point of view the picture noise is noticeable under some conditions. I am working on in the setting up of the DLNA. I wish some one with good experience welling to share his/her knowledge with me.

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post Jun 21 2010, 10:46 AM

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Please visit this web site http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subac...l&id=1257521076

It will tell you what happen to Pioneer Kuro. Please before you make any statement or questions due with fact not just you own view.
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post Jun 21 2010, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jun 21 2010, 11:21 AM)
Cool, since u repair TVs do u have the tools to check the greyscale, minimum luminance levels, gamma, colour and contrast ratios on the set. That would help back ur statement. Good to see someone with so much experience in displays chiming in here.

The Infinite Black is not the same as the Infinite Black Pro panels. The cell technology is similar with the baffle design but its not the same. As such, there are differences. Also the dithering technology for the two companies are different as well as the half toning algorithms.

Due to the difference in dithering mechanisms between the Pios and the Pannys, the Pannys will actually perceive to show less "picture noise" but this more false contouring.

The colour and black levels being far superior that you mention are when compared to the older Pannys or other displays?

The patents portion is a little fuzzy, there is no clear indication of what patents were licensed.
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Hi, great that you understand my post. The color and black levels compare to Panasonic S20. When you do cross reference comparison in a normal practice will have to state the manufacture and its model.
Regarding the instrument to take measurement of all the parameters you mentioned each manufacture have their own method so as an Instrument Engineer I try not to get involve in a non standard measurement. Remember measurements are taken with conditions (may be in static), what you and me have in watching TV are in dynamic mode. This is my own opinion why spend time doing something very subjective, does it have the economy scale. The final end result is, are you satisfied with the Monitor that you purchase on what you are paying for?
The statement said “Panasonic and Pioneer began collaborating before Pioneer had to exit the plasma market due to heavy losses. Subsequently this has led to speculation that Panasonic would take over Pioneer’s KURO plasma technology and related patents. Panasonic has now officially done so, according to Pioneer’s Annual Report, and Panasonic have worked with the technology since May 2009.” That what the statement been published. My opinion and understanding on the statement is Pioneer and Panasonic has been working together before they take over KURO plasma technology and related patents, that they may involved in technology secret. I never made any statement that Panasonic V series is better than Pioneer KURO, as someone did not made an effort try to understand and get very sensitive on the subject.
On the patent part I flipped through Pioneer Plasma patent that file in US and try to find out more which are the patent right sold to Panasonic only with my free time only or I may not investigate further. Patent is a rich man game, Co cola never patent their mixture they keep it as technology secret. Is difficult to understand my opinion unless you had real experience in patent.
Everyone have their own bias on visual, so I believe and my opinion is you just have to chose the product that will satisfy your own visual requirement, of course within your financial capacity.

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post Jun 21 2010, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jun 21 2010, 02:03 PM)
I'm sorry, I do not agree with you regarding the measurement portion. Although, picture is dynamic, the rendering of each image is frame by frame. What you do when u calibrate a display is to ensure that u set all the parameters to standards. When the static portion is rendered correctly (ie, greyscale, gamma, etc) the dynamic portion is a function of image processing. On high end displays, this portion is stellar making the difference between static patterns and dynamic movements the same. If this is the case, then calibration of a display is worthless, but it isn't.

Statements, are just that statements. Pioneer and Panny started working before this statement, they were supposed to use Panny panels in 10G Pio panels. However, there were problems becoz the plants were setup differently and it was not as easy as just transfering people and IP around. Both Pio and Panny understood that much later. They were different companies set up differently with different paths. In the end, with no other viable option, Pio decided to pull the plug on the display business.

Now, cross licensing of patents is another issue. I am more than familiar with patents and have a couple filed myself and some pending patent application both in the US and in Malaysia. For these big companies, patents are everything. It shows ur IP portfolio and it prevents the other to use someone else's idea blatantly without some engineering work. However, there are workarounds, cross licensing, patent buyout and licensing or re-engineering are all ways to get around.

From waht I know, Pio licensed some of the patents for now. Not all, some are apparent in this years Pannys, others probably more so in the next years set. Also Panny will continue to improve.

We can continue this discussion further if u want.
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Great to learn that you are an inventor. On patent subject let discus it over the Patent related Web.
I filed and got my patent when Patent Right first introduced into Malaysia. I had others all on my own. But finally still prefers technology secret, again this is my own opinion.
On Display calibration yes is essential to do at certain extend but to me had no economy scale if you were have to do it yourself now and than. Method of measurement may be different from manufacturer to manufacturer. You are in a better position to know why?
I wish someone to share on DLNA setup with me.

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post Jun 21 2010, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(ngbh-lwt @ Jun 21 2010, 03:39 PM)
think there is no DLNA setup to do in the v20k. only that the unit needs to be connected to the network. I had mine hookup without problem and can 'see' my media player straight away. Not sure if you mean what i think. smile.gif
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Thanks for your respond. On V20K there is no setup you are right but work will be on the sever side. I need to know which software platform you are currently using? Do you use PC or Net work Sever for the storage, please provide details. As I know there are software involve I do not like to try an error with it. If you do not mind please like me know your V20K operating firmware version.

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post Jun 21 2010, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(ngbh-lwt @ Jun 21 2010, 04:39 PM)
My TV firmware is 5.500 and recently upgraded from 5.204 (both version DLNA works). The version 5.5 - the changes i see is the Skype changes from "coming soon" to "beta". Skype beta will need th camera to work, else it kicks you out.

My media server is IOBOX which serves as a DLNA server. I remember I read the v20 manual, it says that windows 7 (and another software which i cannot remember its name) can serve as a DLNA server as well.

For one thing, I tried to set the IP manually instead of letting it to grab the IP, it failed to work. The Ip must be set to AUTO, at least for my netgear router setup.
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Thank you very much for your information. Great to learn that you are ahead in setting up the DLNA as I just got my TV last Saturday. My TV firmware is 5.204, may I know the download link for the firmware, it is from Panasonic Global.
As for your media server IOBOX, sorry for asking are you referring to IOBOX-100HD, that Chipset Sigma Designs SMP8635 Memory 256MB DDR SDRAM / 32MB Flash support one SATA 2.5 or 3.5” hard disk (any idea max capacity of the HD). Can you get the unit locally if you do not mind how much? IOBOX-100HD display resolution is 1080 correct me if I am wrong.
For the IP address shall take your valuable advise.
I have an idea to use Twonty media to setup the DLNA Sever but still in KIV. Just need to learn more locally or aboard forum before i move.

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post Jun 21 2010, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(ngbh-lwt @ Jun 21 2010, 05:46 PM)
Once you have your tv connected to the network, the firmware can be upgarded straight from the tv.
Yes, IOBOX-100HD. can buy from its web. sent by courier. If not mistaken, it costs around rm5xx. I bought by this way.
I put in 1TB HDD and no problem at all. Yes, it supports 1080p. It run on Linux (embeded). Can managed from PC.
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Hi ngbh-lwt, thank you very much for your valuable information on Panasonic DLNA sever and the TV firmware update. If I decide to use IOBOX-100HD will have to follow your path. My network switch is D link. Wish you the best.
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post Jun 22 2010, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(PoorMan @ Jun 21 2010, 09:00 PM)
I believe the Twonkymedia should work but you need to purchase it. The one I'm using is Mediatomb and is free and I run it off the DLINK DNS-323 NAS. However, there are a few video file formats that I'm unable to play, probably due to transcoding problems.

In the end, I gave up and purchased a media player that can connect to the network. Now all my files in the NAS can be played without the need to tweak config settings.
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Hello PoorMan, thank you to share your experience. Twonkymedia (US$39.99) is the only software that claims can perform all tasks with all current visual and audio files. I do learn that some audio files do not work. With all this issues around that why I hold back my approach because I do not have much free time for try and error. Apart from that I am looking into the possibility of Media player like Xtreamer Pro as well. With your experience prove the approach is correct. With Media player you can have firmware update. Xtreamer Pro claims that they can perform task in Blueray. I wish we can work together and left behind useful practical way in this web site on the setting up of Panasonic DLNA Sever from those who are interested with this modern toy. Thank you.

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post Jun 22 2010, 07:41 PM

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Hi, V20 owners’ concern lots on display calibration, please check and kindly post whether your set Advance Color Setting is “enable”. As for my set parameters are not present at all. Please I am referring the subject on display calibration not optimum setting of the unit for first 100 hours burn in. Thank you.
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post Jun 22 2010, 08:32 PM

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Hi, by knowledge given by ngbh-lwt that his TV updated the firmware after he connected to Internet. From this and my guessing it could be your TV firmware corrupted. I start to worry mine what will happen during it half way updating I switch off the TV set. I still have some uncertainty on the issue yet to call experience Panasonic design/Service Engineer to clarify. Thank you.
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post Jun 23 2010, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(PoorMan @ Jun 23 2010, 01:26 AM)
DLNA is an emerging tech and still have some problems to overcome according to feedback from the internet. XStreamer Pro is based on the Realtek 1283DD+ chipset which is quite good, I hear. It can play most file formats. The other fantastic players is based on the Sigma chipsets eg the Dune HD Base player and the DViCO Tvix players. You can explore some of these players before deciding.
Hello, PoorMan thank you for your suggestions and knowledge. I fully agree with you that the Media player is an emerging technology. For Xtreamx Pro “YouTube” will be taken off for their list in the new firmware. I shall make study on your suggested products. DViCO Tvix players if I was not mistaken is a feature in V20. Thank you, with regards.
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post Jun 28 2010, 06:02 PM

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rclxub.gif I ordered Xtreamer Pro Media Player shall share the experience after I have try it.


Added on June 28, 2010, 6:12 pm
QUOTE(SteadyPana @ Jun 25 2010, 04:05 PM)
Hello kgsiaw,

Just wonder your V20 suffering from Pana famous "Floating Black" problem ?

Kindly share with us.

Thank you.
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Hello, please test it thoroughly on the "Floating Black" problem and feedback to Panasonic M'sia ASAP. Many thanks.
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Hi, so far so good with an avergae of 5 hours operation a day, will post it once I catch the "Black CAT" I phoned and email Panasonic Malaysia on some issuses still no reply from them.

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post Jun 30 2010, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(ameenskywalker @ Jun 28 2010, 08:39 PM)
Regarding these floating black, will Panasonic do anything about it ? does it considered as defects as well ?
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Sorry for not be able to give any answer because Panasonic Malaysia still have not reply me, let see how good and responsible they are in respond to my subjects. I am ex-Pioneer years ago at that time I never favor “National” one of the reason was they just ignore you.(my own opinion)
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post Jul 1 2010, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jun 30 2010, 08:30 PM)
Learnt today that I have to make an order for my 50V20 (RM6200) with no extras. Waiting period - 2 months ! That is the problem we face in Sarawak.

Appreciate your views on whether I should get a BD45 together with 50V20 or get a Dune player. Can BD45 play movie from pendrive ? Assuming it is of the right format for the player.

The discussion on the infinite black thing is casting some doubt on whether I should get this 50V20. Heard so much good things about it and now this. Maybe for normal viewers like me, I would not notice it ?
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You have to wait for 2 months for 50V20k is still consider OK, I waited for mine 42V20K for 4.5 months. Got it recently which sent in by courier service and further only 3 units at that shipment. I suggest you should get a HD FTA receiver, you will enjoy watching it.
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post Jul 1 2010, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jul 1 2010, 08:14 PM)
kgsiaw,

What is a HD FTA receiver ? Satelite movies ?

How much did you pay for your 50V20 ? Dealer here is asking for RM 6200 with no gift.
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I am from the some location as you. 50V20 for RM6200 is good buy. Please take into account that Panasonic actually courier in the panels. Please take note make sure is P50V20K. From a very reliable source our first shipment by sea will be sometime around August subject to available stock. Like mine P42V20K they told me will arrive mid of the month than end of the month "months after months" finally arrived about week ago. I got mine 42V20K good price compare to West Malaysia (no nice to publish in respect to their business).


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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jul 1 2010, 08:19 PM)
Dreambox 800 HD drool.gif
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Sorry friend you got it wrong.

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post Jul 2 2010, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jul 2 2010, 06:32 PM)
Which one is better, Dune Prime or Dreambox HD 800 ?

Dune has a BR player while Dreambox has internal HD. That is the main difference I know. Any feedback from either users ? Thanks.
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Please take note of what you are going to purchase. From what I know Dream-box HD most of it is DVB-T. Please do some home work OR you will have to learn through spending.

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post Jul 3 2010, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(SteadyPana @ Jul 3 2010, 12:31 PM)
Hope to get my TH-P50V20S by next week before the final of World Cup  icon_idea.gif
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Sorry for asking, look like some mistake on your model No. Panasonic Malaysia Web Model is TH-P50V20K. Be alert as others encounterd problem already. sweat.gif
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post Jul 15 2010, 09:43 AM

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Hello, I got reply from Panasonic this morning as follow I donot know whether you all like the answer.

"3) Burn-in of the panel for the first 100 or 200 hours. What is the optimum setting for the process? Answer: There is no specific settings but can be avoided by depress the brightness and also try not to display still images for longer period"

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post Oct 17 2010, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(PoorMan @ Oct 15 2010, 08:58 PM)
It should be the button on the right side of button zero (0)
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Hello, I tested on the matter on my 42V cannot get the service hour, I got the "service page" Please advice. Thank you, with regards.
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post Oct 19 2010, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(terranova @ Oct 18 2010, 08:38 PM)
Just to share my own experience, I don't get the 50Hz issue that has been so widely reported in the UK as well as astro b.yond users in MY.

In HK, most local OTA transmissions as well as my cable tv transmit in 50Hz, even football games in HD. I dont see the juddering/tearing that has been widely reported. *touch wood*

Just sharing.
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Hello,
Thank you for your information. To share my experience on V42 I donot encounter the juddering/tearing experience. Condition ----- I donot watch Astro program and never install their system. I watch FTA satellite programs by full HD 1080 50Hz receiver. CCTV-HD (1080 50Hz) is one of the full HD Channel. Most of the programs are shot with HD camera.

I did watch Astro HD programs at my friend house not to my expectation.

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