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post Jun 6 2010, 05:35 PM

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Hi,

Just got p50v20k yesterday and you know what, I found a problem. The TV seems not to be able to accept HDMI Digital sound signal.

I am connecting Astro byond through HDMI and set the sound output to digital 5.1 in the device.
On the TV, I plug in optical cable to its SPDIF port and the other end of the optic fibre to a 5.1 amplifier. No sound output, either from TV or amplifier can be heard. However, when I change the astro byond to analog sound output, the sound output is ok but of course only in normal stereo mode.

The same result is applicable to other device with HDMI digital output.

From the TV user guide, there is a section of SPDIF/MPX described here but not found on the TV setup menu.

Anyone has any idea or input to this strange problem? Is there any hidden menu or setting which I cannot see?
Thanks a lot.

By the way, my kids were speechless in excitement when they saw the BIG TV. Haha..
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post Jun 7 2010, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(PoorMan @ Jun 7 2010, 12:26 AM)
When you set Astro Byond output to digital 5.1, you are actually directing output to the coax output of the decoder. You will need to use coax cable from Atro Byond decoder to your amp's coax in. Then you will get Dolby Digital 5.1 sound (and I think only for the HD channels).

As for the V20K optical audio output, it seems to be in stereo only for some reason. I've studied it with my friend's 42V20.
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Hi,

Thanks for validating the case. It is thus not only my particular unit. I am going to find out further from Panasonic why this is happening.
The Sound setting allows us to set HDMI as either"Digital" or "Analog", asserting the fact that the digital sound signal can be fed into the TV. What is the point having the optical output from the TV if it is just for analog sound output to amplifier. Might as well just use RCA output.

I would also like to test if this problem is specifically limited to non-Panasonic input devices. Will be Panasonic BR player send the digital sound signal through TV to the amplifier via SPDIF port? Is there anything not enabled in the "Service Menu"?

Appreciate any input from all the forumers.

Cheers.


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post Jun 7 2010, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(in_george @ Jun 7 2010, 11:14 AM)
I could be wrong, but i believe HDMI only carries digital audio. The Analog input option is for audio input via the RCA connectors, if your HDMI device doesn't send digital audio or you're using a DVI to HDMI cable.
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Hi,

All this while I thought HDMI send only Digital audio until I checked out the setup menu for Astro byond.

My case:-
Astro Byond connected to P50v20k using HDMI cable only. No RCA cable. No sound coaxial cable.
On the TV, sound setting for HDMI is set to digital.
- Astro B when set to Digital Sound output, TV has no sound output.
- Astro B when set to analog sound output, the stereo sound is heard. Yes, the "analog" signal is sent through to the TV via HDMI.

My objective:-
I suppose the SPDIF port should allow the digital signal from the Byond to pass-thru to the amplifier. This is not happening in this TV.
The reason I configure this way so that I do not need to change the amplifier channels all the time when switching the player such as beyond, media player, BR player etc. The single SPDIF port on the amplifier will handle all the digital sound signal from the TV.

Best regards

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post Jun 7 2010, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(in_george @ Jun 7 2010, 12:22 PM)
From wikipeadia ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

"HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) is a compact audio/video interface for transmitting uncompressed digital data."

Audio signal: LPCM, Dolby Digital, DTS, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio, MPCM

My guess is, the P50V20K can only accept (and decode / process) stereo signals sent via HDMI.
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Think you are right "My guess is, the P50V20K can only accept (and decode / process) stereo signals sent via HDMI."
By the way, i called Pan SC and they promise to send a technician over to check. See, it is hard to tell them online. ...haha.
Will keep you guys all informed if there is 'good news'. Else, i am left with no choice, the digital sound signal needs to go to amplifier directly.

Cheers.
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post Jun 21 2010, 01:46 PM

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Has anyone tested the V20 back panel 5.1 Digital sound optical signal pass-thru to Amp?

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post Jun 21 2010, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(kgsiaw @ Jun 21 2010, 03:19 PM)
Great to learn that you are an inventor. On patent subject let discus it over the Patent related Web.
I filed and got my patent when Patent Right first introduced into Malaysia. I had others all on my own. But finally still prefers technology secret, again this is my own opinion.
On Display calibration yes is essential to do at certain extend but to me had no economy scale if you were have to do it yourself now and than.  Method of measurement may be different from manufacturer to manufacturer. You are in a better position to know why?
I wish someone to share on DLNA setup with me.
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think there is no DLNA setup to do in the v20k. only that the unit needs to be connected to the network. I had mine hookup without problem and can 'see' my media player straight away. Not sure if you mean what i think. smile.gif
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post Jun 21 2010, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(kgsiaw @ Jun 21 2010, 04:21 PM)
Thanks for your respond. On V20K there is no setup you are right but work will be on the sever side. I need to know which software platform you are currently using? Do you use PC or Net work Sever for the storage, please provide details. As I know there are software involve I do not like to try an error with it. If you do not mind please like me know your V20K operating firmware version.
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My TV firmware is 5.500 and recently upgraded from 5.204 (both version DLNA works). The version 5.5 - the changes i see is the Skype changes from "coming soon" to "beta". Skype beta will need th camera to work, else it kicks you out.

My media server is IOBOX which serves as a DLNA server. I remember I read the v20 manual, it says that windows 7 (and another software which i cannot remember its name) can serve as a DLNA server as well.

For one thing, I tried to set the IP manually instead of letting it to grab the IP, it failed to work. The Ip must be set to AUTO, at least for my netgear router setup.

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post Jun 21 2010, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(kgsiaw @ Jun 21 2010, 05:22 PM)
Thank you very much for your information. Great to learn that you are ahead in setting up the DLNA as I just got my TV last Saturday. My TV firmware is 5.204, may I know the download link for the firmware, it is from Panasonic Global.
As for your media server IOBOX, sorry for asking are you referring to IOBOX-100HD, that Chipset Sigma Designs SMP8635  Memory 256MB DDR SDRAM / 32MB Flash support one SATA 2.5 or 3.5” hard disk (any idea max capacity of the HD). Can you get the unit locally if you do not mind how much? IOBOX-100HD display resolution is 1080 correct me if I am wrong.
For the IP address shall take your valuable advise.
I have an idea to use Twonty media to setup the DLNA Sever but still in KIV. Just need to learn more locally or aboard forum before i move.
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Once you have your tv connected to the network, the firmware can be upgarded straight from the tv.
Yes, IOBOX-100HD. can buy from its web. sent by courier. If not mistaken, it costs around rm5xx. I bought by this way.
I put in 1TB HDD and no problem at all. Yes, it supports 1080p. It run on Linux (embeded). Can managed from PC.

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post Jun 22 2010, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jun 22 2010, 03:19 PM)
Most forummers also appreciate price comparisons. I think we should always post a good deal if we see one for the benefit of others.

As for technical knowledge, most people just want to know how to break in. Maybe somebody can post or pin a step by step guide as to how to break in or warm up the plasma to its optimum level. As of now, loads of info are scattered everywhere, it is difficult for a newcomer to search this info
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It was quite a surprise to learn from this track that there is a need to 'break-in' the plasma for say 100hrs.
I had a chance to ask a Panasonic Plasma Engineer on the break-in. I am also wonder why he did not agree on it. So I could not ask further.
What is reason behind it, can anyone share about it? I just wonder is there a need to warm up for the modern plasma?
There isn't any warning or advice in the User Manual as well.

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post Jun 23 2010, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(neb @ Jun 22 2010, 07:05 PM)
it is necessary to age the phosphor evenly, so that parameter is stable enough to do panel calibration

if calibration is done on un-break-in plasma panel, panel output parameters will drift, calibration effort is then wasted, need to re-calibrate again

200 hours is recommended by certain expert for panasonic plasma, search google, tons of info there

if you do not wish to hire professional to calibrate your plasma panel, then there is no needs to do break-in
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Hi Neb, Thanks for your reply.
My further question is that why there is a need to re-calibrate. I am too lazy to google it tongue.gif .
Is it because the ex-factory calibration not done properly? Is re-calibration suppose to ensure the colours + sharpness more precise and perfect?
Fellow forumers, please share your inputs and thanks again.
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post Jun 23 2010, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(WildChai @ Jun 23 2010, 03:27 PM)
Onking recently came and change my 50x10k to a 20k. previously they gave me a display unit...said it was new....i checked n found out otherwise. so forced them to change new.


Added on June 23, 2010, 3:28 pmhaven check d new plasma yet...it is the same as x10k rite?
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shocking!. unethical businessman.
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post Jun 30 2010, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jun 30 2010, 02:37 PM)
when you work hard for your money and have self integrity, you will appreciate the things you purchase. Only when you sweat, you will know the value of money.

I bet if someone molest your wife in the office, you will also say rileks lah and not sue the company.
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what a *** analogy......how can you compare a wife to a TV?

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post Jul 6 2010, 06:32 PM

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i got my unit 50v20k one month ago. was told that the next batch will be in August.

My opinion on the unit is that it is a Good TV. I compared the Avatar (BD) played on 50v20 and Sony 60 inch LED (RP 19000), I wonder who will ever buy this Sony model. So jerky in motion.

50V20K auto-detects BD and plays with cinema mode 24p/sec, the result is perfect! I have no regret buying it.
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post Jul 8 2010, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(koled_anie @ Jul 7 2010, 10:29 PM)
heard from SenQ they said all V series plasma come only 1 year manufacturer warranty, so add up with their warranty will be only 4 years....SenQ offer RM489 for 3 years warranty for Plus One member if not mistaken....correct me if i'm wrong... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Official Panasonic webpage offers 3-year warranty (3rd, 4th and 5th year) for rm400 (50V20k). You will have 1 year time to purchase this extended warranty.
1st 2 years are original warranty period if you register online.

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post Jul 8 2010, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(koled_anie @ Jul 8 2010, 03:36 PM)
what if we already purchased the extended warranti from the shop...eg. manufacturer 2 years(reg.online) + 3 years extended by shop and want to add another rm400 from Panasonic webpage, will it be extended to 8 years warranty? or it will overlap with shop extended warranty?...what's the different between shop extended warranty and Panasonic warranty?
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They should be overlapped. Shop warranty is by the shop, and the service call should be go to the shop or their appointed agents during the warranty period. They might then get your faulty unit to be sent to panasonic for repair, on their cost.

Panasonic warranty is needless to describe further.

By the price you said Rm489 by the shop, i do not think it is a steal. Better go for Panasaonic.
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post Jul 9 2010, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(SteadyPana @ Jul 9 2010, 10:58 AM)
From my understanding, as long as the warranty valid under Panasonic Malaysia - for LCD/Plasma - Authorised Panasonic personnel will drop by to your house to pickup plus having initial checking/troubleshooting.

This happened to my LCD Panel.

Call Customer Service to find out more if you can
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More info, Panasonic charge Rm250 per visit if the unit is not under warranty. Exclude parts. So I think it is worth buying the extended warranty.

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post Jul 9 2010, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(darkwalker @ Jul 9 2010, 06:40 PM)
rclxub.gif I didn't check that out. Already done deal and what I can do is hope for the best  cry.gif Anyway I still got 3 years warranty for it. Out of curiousity, how do I check out the number of hours used?


Added on July 9, 2010, 6:42 pm

Probably I make a wrong choice since everyone is grabbing whatever they have  tongue.gif . Sunway Pyramid SenQ is closing down next month and they are clearing their stocks this 4 days.
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with that price you cannot ask for more lah..smile.gif It is damn cheap!

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