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post Jan 17 2010, 01:32 AM, updated 8y ago

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I got this thought after my 13 months old SG Evo3 spoilt.
I decided to dismantle it since it's not workingand no warranty. I discover some interesting stuff after i dismantle it and want to share with all the forumer.

SG Evo 3 spec - Sonic Gear Evo 3

For the spec, they claim that this speaker come with 2 x 1" Tweeter

Let me show u, how the tweeter like smile.gif

A tweeter without magnet , how it sound?????? I just realize, this is why i can't hear any sound fr the tweeter when i closed my ear to it. Damn..

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post Jan 17 2010, 01:34 AM

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Reserved for the Evo 3 PCB part

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post Jan 17 2010, 01:36 AM

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I will dismantle my Altec, Edifier and Eacan speaker soon.
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post Jan 17 2010, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 17 2010, 01:32 AM)
I got this thought after my 13 months old SG Evo3 spoilt.
I decided to dismantle it since it's not workingand no warranty. I discover some interesting stuff after i dismantle it and want to share with all the forumer.

SG Evo 3 spec - Sonic Gear Evo 3

For the spec, they claim that this speaker come with 2 x 1" Tweeter

Let me show u, how the tweeter likeĀ  smile.gif

A tweeter without magnet , how it sound?????? I just realize, this is why i can't hear any sound fr the tweeter when i closed my ear to it. Damn..
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if i am not mistaken.
that are infact drivers too
remember old timer ATARI game machine (tetris, Donkey Kong,) were using this kind of tranducer to produce some high pitch sound.
if i am not mistaken too. my Gshock watch actually uses same type of driver to produce the BEEP sound.

PS: i am not sure. because i though it was a buzzer. hm... high pitch buzzer?


EDIT : found the name of this kind of driver.
it's called Piezoelectric driver.


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post Jan 17 2010, 02:34 AM

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Bro Pcwork,

No, confirm not infact driver, it's a fake tweeter - a plastic and a metal mad.gif
see the pic below u will know, i think the evo3, 5 and 7 also using the same fake tweeter



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post Jan 17 2010, 03:04 AM

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WAH... macam itu pun boleh ah...cheap tweeter at jalan pasar only RM 2.50 each mah.. save cost until this extend?

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post Jan 17 2010, 03:05 AM

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i like this kind of stuffs... please also post the picture of PCB and the power supply / transformer rating.. see if it match the spec..
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post Jan 17 2010, 03:13 AM

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7Eleven :
i did some google.
seems you are right, the tweeter is indeed fake..can complain to tribune of pengguna?
since their box written there is real. menipu..


http://karhoe.net/it-blogs/Page-12.html
http://tech.sina.com.cn/roll/2008-05-21/1541667448.shtml


http://www.sonicgear.com.sg/?id=2&pcid=19&pid=59

Sonic Gear.. Trust your ear....
Customer ... Trust your Eye....

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post Jan 17 2010, 03:56 AM

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wei post this to Sonic Gear fanboy thread... see what are their reaction

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post Jan 17 2010, 05:57 AM

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lol, its a sonic gear, what do you expect? I have been working in one of the biggest IT shop in lolyat years back and Sonic Gear speaker has the highest fault rate followed by altec and edifier

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post Jan 17 2010, 06:25 AM

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I never liked sonic gear speakers from the start heh, the demo units on lowyat shops sounded piercing to my ears last time i listened to it.
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post Jan 17 2010, 06:53 AM

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I never like any of those 'brand' speakers.. the reason why I bought BOSE instead..no offence guys but to me they just don't sound right.

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post Jan 17 2010, 06:58 AM

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well before i started listening to book shelf speaker, indeed altec lansing sounds good to me~

in fact edifier bass is great


until i started listening to bookshelf, i never wanted to look back anymore and sometimes i went into my parents room to listen to my old altec to REMIND me how great bookshelf speaker is lol
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post Jan 17 2010, 07:11 AM

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Actually, the same goes for the M2 I think. tongue.gif
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post Jan 17 2010, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jan 17 2010, 05:57 AM)
lol, its a sonic gear, what do you expect? I have been working in one of the biggest IT shop in lolyat years back and Sonic Gear speaker has the highest fault rate followed by altec and edifier

china, US, canada
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Sri Comp? tongue.gif


Added on January 17, 2010, 10:58 amBtw, I knew it all along, those into speakers will know that the tweeter is fake, which is why each time I go to those pc shops in Lowyat, I will poke all the tweeters of Sonic Gear 3 laugh.gif

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post Jan 17 2010, 11:48 AM

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post Jan 17 2010, 03:34 PM

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LOL...
Great finding. My sis used to work for SG too in pc fair.
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post Jan 17 2010, 04:17 PM

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sweet
I love pics of dismantled speakers
always wanted to see what's inside biggrin.gif

btw those are piezoelectric buzzers
those buzzers are tweeters that doesn't need a crossover to protect them.
can't wait to see other speakers dismantled
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post Jan 17 2010, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Jan 17 2010, 04:17 PM)
sweet
I love pics of dismantled speakers
always wanted to see what's inside biggrin.gif

btw those are piezoelectric buzzers
those buzzers are tweeters that doesn't need a crossover to protect them.
can't wait to see other speakers dismantled
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i oso keep thinking. if it is fake tweeter. why they so borther to solder cable on it. it waste 2 wire and worker time too.
could it be a peizo tweeter covered by plastic infront to mimic normal tweeter out look?
hm..

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Jan 17 2010, 10:54 AM)
Sri Comp?  tongue.gif


Added on January 17, 2010, 10:58 amBtw, I knew it all along, those into speakers will know that the tweeter is fake, which is why each time I go to those pc shops in Lowyat, I will poke all the tweeters of Sonic Gear 3 laugh.gif
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whistling.gif lol yea

that time i was incharge with warranty department


Added on January 17, 2010, 6:49 pm
QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 17 2010, 04:32 PM)
i oso keep thinking. if it is fake tweeter. why they so borther to solder cable on it. it waste 2 wire and worker time too.
could it be a peizo tweeter covered by plastic infront to mimic normal tweeter out look?
hm..
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thats why when their tweeter kemek already, the speaker sound like no problem

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post Jan 17 2010, 10:58 PM

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So is that tweeter real or fake, can someone else confirm for sure?
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post Jan 17 2010, 11:02 PM

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Fake!
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post Jan 17 2010, 11:07 PM

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That one is Piezo tweeter lmao~ i wonder how Sonic Gear fans react when they see that

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post Jan 17 2010, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 17 2010, 04:32 PM)
i oso keep thinking. if it is fake tweeter. why they so borther to solder cable on it. it waste 2 wire and worker time too.
could it be a peizo tweeter covered by plastic infront to mimic normal tweeter out look?
hm..
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haha... the cable is to make it look like real, anyway i already dismantle the metal part of the tweeter so i will show u all the items i get after i dismantle it.
The SG boss will tell u " it look like peizo tweeter, made like peizo tweeter but it is not peizo tweeter" smile.gif
Beside that, i also find out the IC for the sub is TDA2030 which max RMS is 14w (Correct me if i m wrong), but the RMS stated by SG is 18w for the woofer. How the extra 4w RMS came fr???
I m think a way to take the picture of the IC, anyone can help?

Below a some pic of the dismantle tweeter, hope u guy like it smile.gif

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post Jan 17 2010, 11:16 PM

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From wikipedia:

"While piezoelectric tweeters are cheap and rugged when compared to typical voice coil tweeters, most are not capable of the same level of linearity and accuracy of reproduction compared to high quality conventional tweeter designs. Piezoelectric tweeters are most commonly found in inexpensive stereo and public address speakers, where cost and reliability are more important than accuracy."
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post Jan 17 2010, 11:23 PM

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I can confirm this is fake tweeter, because b4 i dismantle the speaker i can't even hear any sound fr the tweeter even i higher up the main volume and treble.

If u planning to visit the computer shop, u can try it out yourself.
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post Jan 17 2010, 11:33 PM

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This thing call buzzer rather than 'speaker'. Well, only those poor speaker use those unit, really nothing to said, because the power handling is small like mosquito, without any housing, useless...
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post Jan 17 2010, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 17 2010, 11:23 PM)
I can confirm this is fake tweeter, because b4 i dismantle the speaker i can't even hear any sound fr the tweeter even i higher up the main volume and treble.

If u planning to visit the computer shop, u can try it out yourself.
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that's because this type of tweeter needs a LOT of power to get as loud as a normal tweeter would need.
unless you are giving pure sine wave like most digital watches have in their beepers

trust me
they may sound nothing at all but they actually sounded extremely soft till it's inaudible anymore

QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jan 17 2010, 11:33 PM)
This thing call buzzer rather than 'speaker'. Well, only those poor speaker use those unit, really nothing to said, because the power handling is small like mosquito, without any housing, useless...
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more like very big

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post Jan 17 2010, 11:43 PM

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Yup, especially it connected parallel with the 'real' driver, the signal was drawn by the midrange driver adi, if u only connects the cable to the so called 'tweeter', it will gives some kind of 'mosquito' treble sound...lol...

Anyway, u can get this thing in everywhere, example ur digital watch which got alarm buzz, exactly the same thing...
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post Jan 17 2010, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Jan 17 2010, 11:39 PM)
that's because this type of tweeter needs a LOT of power to get as loud as a normal tweeter would need.
unless you are giving pure sine wave like most watches have in their beepers

trust me
they may sound nothing at all but they actually sounded extremely soft till it's inaudible anymore
Thanks for the info, not wonder i can't hear anything mad.gif

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since it is inaudible for human ear, what is the point of having it there?
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Good question! tongue.gif
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post Jan 18 2010, 12:02 AM

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since it is inaudible for human ear, what is the point of having it there?
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lol
so that ppl trust their ear. instead of eye..
that's why sonic gear said :trust your ear..
because what your eye see. can fool you. u see a tweeter, but it is not.. lol.

trust ur ear. if it is crap . it's crap. no matter they got tweeter or not.

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^ lol, i like ur last sentence.
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I agree!!! nod.gif

QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 18 2010, 12:02 AM)

trust ur ear. if it is crap . it's crap. no matter they got tweeter or not.
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post Jan 18 2010, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 17 2010, 11:23 PM)
I can confirm this is fake tweeter, because b4 i dismantle the speaker i can't even hear any sound fr the tweeter even i higher up the main volume and treble.

If u planning to visit the computer shop, u can try it out yourself.
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So did u lodge a report to tribunal?? about the fake tweeter and fake RMS rating??

btw, i am a ex SG evo3 user
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lodge report already then what can they do? i doubt they care
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post Jan 18 2010, 09:40 AM

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Just try it with an external amp, the tweeter will provide a very very low sound like bro coolkwc mention - 'mosquito' treble sound

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post Jan 18 2010, 02:43 PM

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at least they didn't lie saying got a tweeter but show no tweeter

QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 18 2010, 12:02 AM)
lol
so that ppl trust their ear. instead of eye..
that's why sonic gear said :trust your ear..
because what your eye see. can fool you. u see a tweeter, but it is not.. lol.

trust ur ear. if it is crap . it's crap. no matter they got tweeter or not.
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LOL nice rclxms.gif

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post Jan 18 2010, 03:39 PM

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Mosquito type sound ar? So when play this speaker you will have the illusion that there are mosquito flying around? laugh.gif
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post Jan 19 2010, 12:34 PM

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FYI, most of the OEM brand will give fake specification to attract the buyer smile.gif
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post Jan 19 2010, 01:41 PM

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If confirm fake tweeter, can go sue ah? Sue & bring whole SG down. That brand really don't deserve to exist...
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Well, maybe not only SG

probably someone should try to dismantle ed and al also whistling.gif
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al i think they dun have fake tweeter.


Added on January 19, 2010, 3:45 pm
QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 18 2010, 09:40 AM)
Just try it with an external amp, the tweeter will provide a very very low sound like bro coolkwc mention -  'mosquito' treble sound
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haiyo
u ppl salah blame Sonic Gear already..
i think that is mosquito repellent lah... it will repel mosquito away when u on the speaker..
because it communicate with nyamuk.. "go away go away~!"

they shall put in box there big big "with EXTRA function - Repel annoying mosquito"


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and I always lol'ed when ppl are talking bout THX certified speaker is better blablabla~ sleep.gif

well pcwork is right, trust ur ear, if it is shit means it is shit lol
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They should add gold and diamonds mar, at least worth the $3000 markup
THX certified gold lol
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Just took 2 more pic of the driver used by EVO3. this is definitely not a magnetically shielded spk because the magnet is expose and not cover.
Left is woofer driver and right is the sat driver.

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 19 2010, 03:43 PM)
haiyo
u ppl salah blame Sonic Gear already..
i think that is mosquito repellent lah... it will repel mosquito away when u on the speaker..
because it communicate with nyamuk.. "go away go away~!"

they shall put in box there big big "with EXTRA function - Repel annoying mosquito"
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hmm... maybe i should buy a sonic gear speaker soon... cos i cannot tahan ridsect's smell.. tongue.gif
anyway, TS has been dismantling his SG speakers. anyone ever dismantled their SG IEMs or earbuds? kinda curious about the insides too. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Jan 19 2010, 10:23 PM)
hmm... maybe i should buy a sonic gear speaker soon... cos i cannot tahan ridsect's smell.. tongue.gif
anyway, TS has been dismantling his SG speakers. anyone ever dismantled their SG IEMs or earbuds? kinda curious about the insides too. hmm.gif
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YEAH~!
treat it as high end mosquito repelent..
the speaker function is additional function only.. not important one.

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See this, how cheapskate it is, by using 1 finger only i can remove the center plastic fr the woofer's front panel.
For your info, their IC even worst, cannot find any info from the net, all making by China factory. will post up the photo once is ready.


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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 19 2010, 10:22 PM)
Just took 2 more pic of the driver used by EVO3. this is definitely not a magnetically shielded spk because the magnet is expose and not cover.
Left is woofer driver and right is the sat driver.
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why is there another piece of magnet on top of the drivers? is that the way they shield the drivers? and the woofer driver looks similar to the sats driver... anyway, i dont know anything about a speaker's internal component... hope someone can explain. notworthy.gif

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More pic coming
The SG is using alot of China make low quality IC, fr the pic u can see they use the F4558 and D2030A IC. I read some article from China wed, this IC's price is 1/5 of the original IC and this IC will produce very bad sound quality. You can't even find the data sheet on the web.
For the power pad, i'm not sure the power output cause no data provided.





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OMG! cant u see that? its an incomplete board!
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7Eleven : salute to u.
we need more ppl like u. at least by seing this kinda of built. buyer can at least think twice before they simply go for pcfair and hug it home.


nice job u had done there.!
salute u.

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Good work there on the 'investigative' work ala CSI.. thumbup.gif
I'd say its pretty much 'standard' to most of the MIC stuffs.. the casing may look good, it is the inside that we do not know what craps they used..
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SG fans are gonna be broken hearted tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jan 21 2010, 11:13 AM)
SG fans are gonna be broken hearted tongue.gif
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They are most likely deaf from the beginning whistling.gif whistling.gif
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If u know mandarin, check the link below.
Some news about the OEM factory of SG

Forum of SG's OEM Facotry in China - Zol is number 1 IT webpage in China

Nivs 's homepage - u can see some SG products there

Edifier's forum in zol - Zol is number 1 IT website in China

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I never liked the SG name, the looks and the sound is bad.
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i like the fake sonic gears... oh wait,sonic gear is fake
they are all fake and gay
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QUOTE(Sonic Gear @ Mar 26 2007, 10:57 AM)
Hi everybody, starting a SonicGear Fan club for the benefit of those supporting SonicGear or those planning to buy SonicGear speakers.

For a start, to give everybody an idea of how the SonicGear brand comes about.

SonicGear is started by the Leapfroglobal Group. It has been around since 2001 and now has a history of more than 5 years. It started out from a totally new brand in the market to what it is currently.

The Leapfroglobal Group also owns SonicGear Lab, which is based in Singapore. SonicGear Lab is dedicated to the research, design, development and manufacturing of Personal Audio system for the PC and Portable Audio market under the following Worldwide registered trademark: SonicGearĀ®, XonicGearĀ®, ApocalypXĀ®, i-steroidĀ®.

And SonicGear's product is currently sold in more than 10 countries in Asia and Europe.

At SonicGear, its commitment is to provide customers with satisfaction in its products in terms of design, performance, quality and price.

SonicGear official website : www.sonicgear.com.sg


Added on March 26, 2007, 10:59 amSonicGear is currently involved in a few areas namely :
1) Multimedia Speakers
2) Multimedia Headphone
3) Multimedia Accessories
4) Classical Wooden Radios
5) VAL Cclassic Retro Radios

In the Multimedia Speakers group, speakers are furthur categorised into different series :-
i) Evo - PC Audio Evolution
ii) Tatoo - Cool Nude
iii) Ego - It's All About My Ego
iv) Blue Thunder - Thunderous Power With A Touch Of Blue
v) Morro - Let's Go To Morro
vi) 2Go - French Fries Not Included
vii) Armaggeddon
viii) Apocalypx - Ultimate PC Audio
ix) i-Steroid - No Needles Needed. Just Add iPod.
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design, performance, quality and price?? research?? development ??
research how to get max profit out of users? or research to develope the best looking highest end mosquito repelent?

QUOTE(compro @ Apr 2 2007, 03:54 PM)
I do accept some of the opinionĀ  or poit of view from other user. But something If other distro cant do it oesnt mean we cant, OEM yeah!!! Sonic Gear used to OEM for pass few year, we are slowly change towards ODM, it just need time to change.
For some other detail , sorry that cant tell justĀ  Thanks for those ppl are still care or look for the change of sonic gear.

For the LCD at the front i dun think that is a problem, i sure the speaker market too big, Some ppl may want the speaker look nice and the sound when they try and feel accept by them self thats enough. Coz for Lifestyle series speaker OUTlook Is very important.

For the BT3 woofer if user think is copied from ALtec 45.1 , i would like to say thanks! we just hope that make a woofer that offer a reasonable price for end user.
since 45.1 are no more in the market , and the price of BT3 are sell at reasonable price. I sure There is a lots of user like the Bass.


For one more thing isĀ  the speaker design of doesn't come with grill worry of children this and that , sorry please take care your children and put it at proper place , coz userĀ  are adult and when u buy this kind of speaker , u already know that the design is like that, and i am sure that u buy it parts of the reason is bcoz the design.
wow very tired to type! As a salesman i do hope my sales increase, but i also enjoy ppl get what they want from sonic gear.Ā  For a brand in the market only 4-5 years i think Sonic Gear have been done the good job.

I wont say Altec BAD if some of the model are not goodĀ  or i dun like it(CS21 coz i dun like the deign , very ugly for me), i will just judge them model by model. I sure there are a lots of end user who own SonicGear are very Happy with the speaker they bought.
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it is still OEM now. but sadly. after 3 years. they choosen worse quality OEM. lol.. profit come first eh..

QUOTE(compro @ Apr 4 2007, 11:31 PM)
the improvement are always keep in mind , just need more time to slowly enhanced the quality, i always feedback to my HQ and the respond take sometimes coz each batch of speaker are huge in quantity. so please be patien.

This PC fair are coming i always so excited to see all competitor in one hall boom boom boom and make me headache, haha but can see new model from each company are very happy.

I dun mind ppl shoot on me or certain model from sonic gear, coz maybe they really dun like it or they have their own good speaker, but not all Sonic Gear product.

Hope be fair for Sonic Gear. Other Fans club member are welcome here to give opinion but dun write like Sonic Gear are nothing.

We are always try the best to make something affortable and nice to end-user.



Added on April 4, 2007, 11:47 pmDo u guy think optical input speaker will have good market? since a lots of motherboard are come with optical output?

Coz after i try once to play music using optical output i really love it, coz the sound quality totaly different compare to analog. but currently in the market i think the speaker that use optical input most of them are more than RM300. Sigh!!!
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improvement are keep in mind???? or mooooney? after this case. sonic gear is indeed NOTHING to me. lol

QUOTE(compro @ Apr 5 2007, 12:23 PM)
Ah...........In my point of view, the satellite is cool, coz shows the cone and the overall outlook is match and nice (added cover will be nothing special)

Adults should have knowledge where to put the speaker set and how to take care of their stuff, instead of blaming the speaker's design once it has been poked.

For those demo units in the retail shop which are poked, mainly is because of too many ppl look at it and touch. Generally, ppl are easily attract by pretty,cool stuff. Anyhow the design looks nice(for me).


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lol
just quote back several post of this from sonis gear fans club.. since compro is their representative as he claim.
it seems very ironic to see what they wrote, and compare to the al'cheapo tweeter. lol.

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Sonic Gear R&D very advance ar, for example on the headphone's section try take look at the Sonic Gear Travel Gear: http://www.sonicgear.com.sg/?id=2&pcid=29&pid=212

Very nice design leh, it rivals Sennheiser's design! Eh wait, now that I noticed...... shocking.gif
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almost most of my brands using SG last time .luckily i aldy shifted to edifier itself
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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 21 2010, 05:23 PM)
design, performance, quality and price?? research?? development ??
research how to get max profit out of users? or research to develope the best looking highest end mosquito repelent?
it is still OEM now. but sadly. after 3 years. they choosen worse quality OEM. lol.. profit come first eh..
improvement are keep in mind???? or mooooney? after this case. sonic gear is indeed NOTHING to me. lol
lol
just quote back several post of this from sonis gear fans club.. since compro is their representative as he claim.
it seems very ironic to see what they wrote, and compare to the al'cheapo tweeter. lol.
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design ? i say half copy
performance ? how to achieve with incomplete board?
quality? good material? i don't think so
price? its not very cheap also. competing with altec creative and edifier.
research and development? i dont even see something special they came up with.

even the Sonic Gear Armageddon A5 is also using "incomplete" board.
claimed to have 75W RMS while the transformer only supply max 65VA and i doubt it has 100% efficiency.

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no offense guys... but i'd rather have something complete. so no wonder they have high failure rate...
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SonicGear.
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i lol'ed at the Sonic Gear Travel Gear link.
Luckily SG never had any appeal on me. pheww~
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I almost got fooled by the awesomeness of the design of the sonic gear tatoo duo 3.

luckily I discovered better sounding products that have good sounding trebles instead of ear piercing ones (edifier biggrin.gif wootz)
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i am using z-5500D any fake things i need watch out?
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jan 22 2010, 12:18 AM)
i am using z-5500D any fake things i need watch out?
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Just stay away from z-4 ; )
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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Jan 21 2010, 06:58 PM)
design ? i say half copy
performance ? how to achieve with incomplete board?
quality? good material? i don't think so
price? its not very cheap also. competing with altec creative and edifier.
research and development? i dont even see something special they came up with.

even the Sonic Gear Armageddon A5 is also using "incomplete" board.
claimed to have 75W RMS while the transformer only supply max 65VA and i doubt it has 100% efficiency.

source

no offense guys... but i'd rather have something complete. so no wonder they have high failure rate...
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So they actually took a circuit, cut out some components to save cost, and used it instead of a custom designed low cost circuit.

Dont see what's wrong with that - so long as the components are ok...but they're not tongue.gif
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Just snap the sat photo of my poor M1310, same price range with the evo3 and already used for 4 years.
U will notice that the component they used is value for your money if compare to my poor evo3. For the pic, u can see even the screw Edi is 10x better than evo.
I will take the sat comparison photo later when i free smile.gif stay tune.

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Comparison between the evo3 mid and M1310 mid - same league.
The Edifier M1310 mid driver also 2x the weight of the evo3.
For the built quality - evo3 cannot compete to Edifier at all, i think alot of China brnad can do better than SG.
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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 22 2010, 02:34 PM)
Comparison between the evo3 mid and M1310 mid - same league.
The Edifier M1310 mid driver also 2x the weight of the evo3.
For the built quality - evo3 cannot compete to Edifier at all, i think alot of China brnad can do better than SG.
The evo3 mid got very funny sound when u press on it smile.gif i will take a video later
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obviously you can't compare sonic gear and edifier tongue.gif
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M1310 is edifier???
though i never was edifier fan boy. and i never actually accept edifier as my own speaker. and i usually critics their sound..
but i have to say, the built quality looks good. lol sound wise we put aside.
see this kind of built. heart already cool halfway. lol at least worth the RM 1XX paid for it.

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eh.. even my e-view brand speaker the tweeter also real one laugh.gif despite the unheard brand for 9/10 people.

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Designwise, Edifier quite okay to the eyes..
Only heard them briefly at computer shops, on demo.. never stayed long enough while they're playing.. Never like the sound or the song they're playing..
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acceptable for ppl on a budget smile.gif
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oh... Edifier's turn blink.gif anyway, i m not worry at all because Edifier very care about the built quality and they always use the best component for their speaker.

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Some of the (Edifier) top end model sounds quite okay to me.. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(dlyz @ Jan 22 2010, 04:29 PM)
acceptable for ppl on a budget smile.gif
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ya, i only see the top end, those mid level and below i not too keen on them.
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Edifier is good for it's price. I dont think they on the same level as SG, but they can challenge the new line-up of AL multimedia speakers anytime, anywhere.
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yes, AL speakers didnt live up to my expectation, my friends old altecs are so much better.
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Mmm... Edifier C3 so far seems satisfactory sound-wise to me. Still I haven't found anything that will really match my old ATP3 though... Must go listen to the Edifier S-series speakers one day.
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the weired things is..
the only speaker that i can accept from all edifier..
is MP220..
lol

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mny friend has an old ATP3, never had a chance to audit it, maybe this CNY i might try... bring some flac on the pendrive and my psc805 over.. wahahaha...
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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 24 2010, 03:29 AM)
the weired things is..
the only speaker that i can accept from all edifier..
is MP220..
lol
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why you dont like Edifier? because too many people here using it?
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Jan 24 2010, 12:00 PM)
why you dont like Edifier? because too many people here using it?
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no
despite it can have bass / high / mid.
but it sound kinda messy to me.
=)
and i use aego M as my computer speaker.
no special reason
just personal preference though.


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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 24 2010, 03:29 AM)
the weired things is..
the only speaker that i can accept from all edifier..
is MP220..
lol
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lol FAIL rclxms.gif
but that's okay
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because the mid is the most accurate out of all edifier.
the speakre is fast. and good sounding to me.

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should try the MP230 tongue.gif

or the MP210, but kinda bulky laugh.gif
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my office mate has like ... 3 of the MP220 lying around ...

one is full of poke hole and dented,
one is dented and scratched all over,
one is ok, I guess ?

talk about not caring for your item huh. hehe.
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Just snap some photo of wooer driver of Edifier M1310 and Evo3.

The secret i discover between the 2 brands.

For Edifier, parts installed according to their spec.

1. 5" woofer driver with metal cover to avoid electromagnetic fields. Why spk driver need shielded. During playback, to generate sound, an electromagnet uses the current from the amplifier to pull the cone forward, and the permanent magnet pulls the cone back. Placing speaker close to a television or computer monitor can cause serious picture distortion. Speakers with very strong magnets can cause data loss when placed close to computer hard drives, magnetic disks, and magnetic tape.

For Evo3, low end parts installed and not shielded.

1. Component that cannot see from eye, usually SG will purposely installed very low end component - check the tweeter drive i post previously
2. Driver not shielded, save the metal cost
3. using 4" driver - even the Edifier at the same price using 5". That y, they don't mention the woofer driver size in their box.
4. using cheap material on their driver

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^ the sonic gear speakers are also magnetically shielded. notice the ferrite rings bonded on them. higher end edifier like S550 also use those kind of shielding.

more info
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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Jan 25 2010, 07:53 PM)
^ the sonic gear speakers are also magnetically shielded. notice the ferrite rings bonded on them. higher end edifier like S550 also use those kind of shielding.

more info
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Bro Nismo91, thanks for the guide. notworthy.gif really learn alot of new things after open this topic and i just snap photo of M1310 PCB, hope u guy like it.

What i discover fr M1310 PCB r:

1. Use TDA2030 fr Italy for the woofer (search result fr Google)
2. Use 2 UTC2030A (Fr Taiwan) for sat (search result fr google)
3. Use CBB from Panasonic or Tan capacitors, not like the SG use polyester film capacitors to save cost, The polyester film capacitors generate large noise, and easily be damaged. Users usually will not notice this, but the service people will get over payed on this. (My engineer friend told me)
4. Using NE4558 from Texas compare to SG's F4558 - domestic made. (search reult fr Google)

Just wondering the the total RMS should be 18w + 2 x 14w= 46w, but Edifier just state their RMS is 30w only?? any brother can tell me this??






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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 25 2010, 12:11 PM)
Just snap some photo of wooer driver of Edifier M1310 and Evo3.

The secret i discover between the 2 brands.

For Edifier, parts installed according to their spec.

1. 5" woofer driver with metal cover to avoid electromagnetic fields. Why spk driver need shielded. During playback, to generate sound, an electromagnet uses the current from the amplifier to pull the cone forward, and the permanent magnet pulls the cone back. Placing speaker close to a television or computer monitor can cause serious picture distortion.Ā  Speakers with very strong magnets can cause data loss when placed close to computer hard drives, magnetic disks, and magnetic tape.

For Evo3, low end parts installed and not shielded.

1. Component that cannot see from eye, usually SG will purposely installed very low end component - check the tweeter drive i post previously
2. Driver not shielded, save the metal cost
3. using 4" driver - even the Edifier at the same price using 5". That y, they don't mention the woofer driver size in their box.
4. using cheap material on their driver

Below are some pic of M1310 & Evo3 woofer driver photos, hope u guy like it
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when current pass through voice coil. then the coil will creates magnetic field.
the permenant magnet is there to pull and push the coil. hence converting current -> magnetic -> kinetic.
if the coil creates N pole. while the permenant magnet has N pole. it will push each other away. while the permenant magnet is fixed to the basket of the speaker. so the only things can move is voice coil.
while if the current pass through the coil creastes S pole, then the magnet will pull the coil nearer.


not that the current pull driver and magnet pull it back.

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Read here:

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/speaker6.htm
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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 25 2010, 10:03 PM)
Bro Nismo91, thanks for the guide.  notworthy.gif  really learn alot of new things after open this topic and i just snap photo of M1310 PCB, hope u guy like it.

What i discover fr M1310 PCB r:

1. Use TDA2030 fr Italy for the woofer (search result fr Google)
2. Use 2 UTC2030A (Fr Taiwan) for sat (search result fr google)
3. Use CBB from Panasonic or Tan capacitors, not like the SG use polyester film capacitors to save cost, The polyester film capacitors generate large noise, and easily  be damaged. Users usually will not notice this, but the service people will get over payed on this. (My engineer friend told me)
4. Using NE4558 from Texas compare to SG's F4558 - domestic made. (search reult fr Google)

Just wondering the the total RMS should be 18w + 2 x 14w= 46w, but Edifier just state their RMS is 30w only?? any brother can tell me this??
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no problem.. i also have some pictures of X300 and M3300 internal. in case you're interested i can share the link...

as for the rating of W RMS. don't forget that the spec paper list the power of op-amp based on a power rating. let say the op-amp "A" supply 80W RMS in 20V. but the transformer used only supplies 15V. so u know its not 80W right? plus the efficiency of the PCB itself. last but not least, the total output of a transformer also affect the power. like M3300 has a transformer that outputs max ~48W and its power rated at 10% THD is 41W RMS. if the test is conducted at 1% THD it would be even lower.

also, some additional URL about edifier speakers gutted:

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Is this threats talking about all sonic gear speaker or certain model only? I was thinking of going for Sonic Gear A5 or A7. The sound quality from A5 not bad but i'm not sure about the technology itself. Is it as worst as Evo? Or is way more better?

I'm previously using AL VS4121, lots of humming sound came out from the woofer as well as for the latest VS4121 that i tried from Viewnet at lowyat. Is not really good for long term using coz the humming is getting more and more. Even when I switch on my speaker while my fren in the same house is playing game, his computer speaker getting the humming too....mmmm....

Anyway, i just wanna know about SG A5 and A7, is it worth to get it? Rm205 for A5, RM299 for A7....
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In this thread, we all hate SG le lol.... plz consider edifier

If your speaker got humming plz check all your cable connected properly or not, if you got spare speaker, try to check if the humming is come from your pc or maybe your house power is dirty and need to use power conditioner like belkin.


Added on January 26, 2010, 11:55 amSpeakers can be a long term investment if you buy the good model ;P

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You get what you pay for, right ?
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ya but also remember, sometimes cheap doesnt mean bad, there are gems/bargains out there....
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Just took the photo of M1310 power pack and the Evo3's plastic sat cover. The material look like recycle plastic, very low quality compare to Edifier Sat.
Can anyone tell whether the M1310 power pack enough to drive the M1310's 28w rms? does it give any fake info?






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is it 12V X 2 - 1.25A?
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 26 2010, 11:33 PM)
is it 12V X 2 - 1.25A?
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Wow, I just replaced my EVO3 with Edifier C3 and I saw this topic. doh.gif
Will dismantle mine too and take some shots when I'm free. smile.gif

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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 26 2010, 11:29 PM)
Just took the photo of M1310 power pack and the Evo3's plastic sat cover. The material look like recycle plastic, very low quality compare to Edifier Sat.
Can anyone tell whether the M1310 power pack enough to drive the M1310's 28w rms? does it give any fake info?
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1.2V x 2 ~ 1.25A means : 2 rails of 12V supplying 1.25A each. so total would be ~ 30W.
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Why Edifier? (mandarin version, pls use Google translator translate it)

Why Edifier?
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Why Edifier? (mandarin version, pls use Google translator translate it)

Why Edifier?
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don't advertise here mah..
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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 28 2010, 12:17 AM)
wahlao. dude./.
don't advertise here mah..
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didnt have time to read through all the posts.

But to answer TS observation - that is a capacitance driver, not an inductance driver.

ITs not uncommon for tweeters to be based on capacitance as it can be more efficient.

If you really suspect its fake or not working, try to measure the capacitance at the tweeter leads with a multimeter.

The reason you may not hear anything from it doesnt have to be that its fake, several valid reasons below:
1. Your sound source (file or signal, including DAC/ Soundcard) does not have high freq. sound. YOu can check by trying a sine wave generator at 10kHz and above.
2. That tweeter / driver itself is not very efficient or sensitive.

I dont work for any multimedia speaker company.

In the end you get what you pay for.
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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Jan 28 2010, 09:20 AM)
didnt have time to read through all the posts.

But to answer TS observation - that is a capacitance driver, not an inductance driver.

ITs not uncommon for tweeters to be based on capacitance as it can be more efficient.

If you really suspect its fake or not working, try to measure the capacitance at the tweeter leads with a multimeter.

The reason you may not hear anything from it doesnt have to be that its fake, several valid reasons below:
1. Your sound source (file or signal, including DAC/ Soundcard) does not have high freq. sound. YOu can check by trying a sine wave generator at 10kHz and above.
2. That tweeter / driver itself is not very efficient or sensitive.

I dont work for any multimedia speaker company.

In the end you get what you pay for.
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Bro lee82gx,

Thanks for the info.

Yes, SG did provide a tweeter, a so called mosquito repellent tweeter.

Why i said that, i did compare side by side with another tweeter - same sound, same volume level and same player and same amp, the result i get is the sound produce by SG tweeter is very low until i need to put the SG tweeter close to my ear only i can hear it but the another tweeter doesn't need that. why?

Another things i discover is beside the low quality tweeter, the component they used to built the EVO3 is damn low grade and this brand is trying to cheat the users, that y i decided to create this topic to disclose their trick. I just don't want other forumer make the same mistakes like me, attract by the look and fooled by them.

The reason i create this topic is for educate purpose, if u guy don't like it i can close this topic.

Some of the facts i give might not correct cause i m still new to the speaker.

U can also provide info if u discover any brand or any things giving fake info, this thread is not anti SG, this thread is for discover the brand giving fake info and deceive people.

I will take a video and show u guy about the comparison later when i free.


I dont work for any multimedia speaker company too, i used to be a fan of SG. tongue.gif



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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 28 2010, 09:58 AM)
The reason i create this topic is for educate purpose, if u guy don't like it i can close this topic.
No, don't close the topic, this thread is good drool.gif
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Bro lee82gx,

Thanks for the info.

Yes, SG did provide a tweeter, a so called mosquito repellent tweeter.

Why i said that, i did compare side by side with another tweeter - same sound, same volume level and same player and same amp, the result i get is the sound produce by SG tweeter is very low until i need to put the SG tweeter close to my ear only i can hear it but the another tweeter doesn't need that. why?

Another things i discover is beside the low quality tweeter, the component they used to built the EVO3 is damn low grade and this brand is trying to cheat the users, that y i decided to create this topic to disclose their trick. I just don't want other forumer make the same mistakes like me, attract by the look and fooled by them.

The reason i create this topic is for educate purpose, if u guy don't like it i can close this topic.

Some of the facts i give might not correct cause i m still new to the speaker.

U can also provide info if u discover any brand or any things giving fake info, this thread is not anti SG, this thread is for discover the brand giving fake info and deceive people.

I will take a video and show u guy about the comparison later when i free.
I dont work for any multimedia speaker company too, i used to be a fan of SG.  tongue.gif
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So, you found out that there is indeed a real tweeter and not a fake one. flex.gif

As for the sensitivity of the tweeter, you need to listen to the overall spectrum of sound, as speakers (woofers + midrange + tweeters) are design to be in combination to produce a flat response. This fact, even ah beng or ah seng speaker company knows.

So, if you listen from your normal position and find that the speaker does not produce as much high range as you'd like, then next is to see whether you are the type likes bright highs or not. If not, then only check the response of the whole speaker, and maybe in that case it could be that the speaker you are auditioning is performing poorly in high range.

Its also good you do a blind test from normal listening position to audition both speakers and see which one you still prefer.

Sometimes, the mid range driver is good enough to cover even the high frequencies, that the tweeter is cross-overed only to produce small amount of pressure at certain cross points, which makes it difficult for you to hear from the tweeter even at close range.

I don't support any brand in particular, but if you are smart enough to do listening tests / auditions, I'm sure you'd bought a set of speakers that suit your budget vs performance. If you blindly bought a product due to "support" then caveat emptor.

FYI, my edifier C2 performs well for my judgement, but I'm also quite sure the tweeter is very low response.

Every manufacturer has its right to use 'cheap' material, to maximize profit. As long as its reliable and performs to your listening needs, why check each component inside?


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Tweeter is made to output high frequencies. If the tweeter have super low output (as mosquito's noise), then it doesn't server any purpose at all, other than to make the customer think "oh it's 3 way tweeter, midrange, subwoofer speaker so it should be nice". When you look at that viewpoint, we have a serious problem here especially as potential customers.
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Wah, just finished reading all the post.

I learned to never trusted any of these 'ah beng' speakers.
Look at them displaying their wares in PC Fair pun tau: sure phailz.

Loud and distortion saja ada. Might as well use these telur speakers.

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Jan 28 2010, 09:20 AM)
didnt have time to read through all the posts.

But to answer TS observation - that is a capacitance driver, not an inductance driver.

ITs not uncommon for tweeters to be based on capacitance as it can be more efficient.

If you really suspect its fake or not working, try to measure the capacitance at the tweeter leads with a multimeter.


The reason you may not hear anything from it doesnt have to be that its fake, several valid reasons below:
1. Your sound source (file or signal, including DAC/ Soundcard) does not have high freq. sound. YOu can check by trying a sine wave generator at 10kHz and above.
2. That tweeter / driver itself is not very efficient or sensitive.

I dont work for any multimedia speaker company.

In the end you get what you pay for.
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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Jan 28 2010, 01:59 PM)
So, you found out that there is indeed a real tweeter and not a fake one. flex.gif

As for the sensitivity of the tweeter, you need to listen to the overall spectrum of sound, as speakers (woofers + midrange + tweeters) are design to be in combination to produce a flat response. This fact, even ah beng or ah seng speaker company knows.

So, if you listen from your normal position and find that the speaker does not produce as much high range as you'd like, then next is to see whether you are the type likes bright highs or not. If not, then only check the response of the whole speaker, and maybe in that case it could be that the speaker you are auditioning is performing poorly in high range.

Its also good you do a blind test from normal listening position to audition both speakers and see which one you still prefer.

Sometimes, the mid range driver is good enough to cover even the high frequencies, that the tweeter is cross-overed only to produce small amount of pressure at certain cross points, which makes it difficult for you to hear from the tweeter even at close range.

I don't support any brand in particular, but if you are smart enough to do listening tests / auditions, I'm sure you'd bought a set of speakers that suit your budget vs performance. If you blindly bought a product due to "support" then caveat emptor.

FYI, my edifier C2 performs well for my judgement, but I'm also quite sure the tweeter is very low response.

Every manufacturer has its right to use 'cheap' material, to maximize profit. As long as its reliable and performs to your listening needs, why check each component inside?
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the main purpose of this tread. is some how notify user to be aware of what they are buying.
and the fact that they use a cheapo tweeter is seriously cheating.

as for ur comment. i don't see some how it's helping, except you are trying to deviating the focus of this thread.
performing a capacitance measurement on tweeter? blind test? measuring the requencies respond of the speaker? do you expect a normal user to perform all that before they buying one speaker? else anythings happen ,then the representative can blame back customer that they didn't perform the required test.. and it's their own fault of buying blindly? or they pay for what they get? because of cheap price giving an excuse of the company to use jerky parts??

then might as well ask all ppl to beware to eat outside.. paying RM 4.50 for mee goreng,, they shall have to leanr all ingredient that used in the mee goreng.. where it comes from. got halal or not.. and prepare to bring some poison detection kits so they can test the food got poison or not..
else they kena food poisoning. the tauke can always blame.. u shall know that RM 4.50 u pay for what u get..lol

i mean.. doing a blind test on a RM 150 multimedia speaker .. what kind of results you are going to obtain??? if their ear is so sensitive and they are so experience to do blind test. they don't even buy a multimedia speaker instead of a proper hifi. normal user just barely depend on the outlook, and the advertisement / spec published by the company.. no matter what kind of excuse given. they do play a fool with the spec.

as performing measurement to the frequencies respond of the speaker? i myself own a not bad entry level hifi that cost almost RM 20K currently. i don't even have a proper decible meter. because it's too damn expensive and i cannot afford a good one for use of one time only. if user get a cheap one to measure. the speaker company might still able to argue saying that the decible meter is not accurate.. no calibration ..measurement taken in user house which has bad acoustic properties.. like damping of high frequencies is too much.. not taking measurement in silence room.. WHAT EVER REASON oso can give..


and midrange that is good enough to cover higher frequencies? that's ridiculos that it will apper on a multimedia speaker.
a mid that is good enough to cover high frequencies anytime will cost RM 2K per PCS. take example of a compression tweeter. second hand of cheapest altec lansing (hifi, not multimedia) driver, anytime u throw out at RM 1.8K anytime ppl will grab it. do u think it will appear on a sonic gear that they cut cost so much even on the PCB? so far the cheapest mid that can cover high is used on AEGO M. and that's about RM 700 retail price.



in respond to the underlined parts of ur comment : there's no point critics back the user that they are smarts or not.. so do you mean that 7Eleven who bought a sonic gear without test and performing measurement of frequencies respond is not smart? .. user bought it. and found it's unfair. posted it in forum. i found there's nothings wrong. . anyway i believe customer who was dissapointed with it will learn a lesson them self. and be more careful the next time they purchase a speaker.

this thread is good. no matter what reason a sonic gear give... they still using bad parts inside.
i personally found this tread is very good. while 7Eleven did a good job of comparing different brand speaker internal at the same price range.
this can be a very useful future reference for customer who don't have a chance of buying and ripping them off before knowing what they are buying.

keep up the good work 7Eleven... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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the main purpose of this tread. is some how notify user to be aware of what they are buying.
and the fact that they use a cheapo tweeter is seriously cheating.

as for ur comment. i don't see some how it's helping, except you are trying to deviating the focus of this thread.
performing a capacitance measurement on tweeter? blind test? measuring the requencies respond of the speaker?Ā  do you expect a normal user to perform all that before they buying one speaker? else anythings happen ,then the representative can blame back customer that they didn't perform the required test.. and it's their own fault of buying blindly? or they pay for what they get? because of cheap price giving an excuse of the company to use jerky parts??

then might as well ask all ppl to beware to eat outside.. paying RM 4.50 for mee goreng,, they shall have to leanr all ingredient that used in the mee goreng.. where it comes from. got halal or not.. and prepare to bring some poison detection kits so they can test the food got poison or not..
else they kena food poisoning. the tauke can always blame.. u shall know that RM 4.50 u pay for what u get..lol

i mean.. doing a blind test on a RM 150 multimedia speaker .. what kind of results you are going to obtain??? if their ear is so sensitive and they are so experience to do blind test. they don't even buy a multimedia speaker instead of a proper hifi. normal user just barely depend on the outlook, and the advertisement / spec published by the company.. no matter what kind of excuse given. they do play a fool with the spec.

as performing measurement to the frequencies respond of the speaker? i myself own a not bad entry level hifi that cost almost RM 20K currently. i don't even have a proper decible meter. because it's too damn expensive and i cannot afford a good one for use of one time only. if user get a cheap one to measure. the speaker company might still able to argue saying that the decible meter is not accurate.. no calibration ..measurement taken in user house which has bad acoustic properties.. like damping of high frequencies is too much.. not taking measurement in silence room.. WHAT EVER REASON oso can give..
and midrange that is good enough to cover higher frequencies? that's ridiculos that it will apper on a multimedia speaker.
a mid that is good enough to cover high frequencies anytime will cost RM 2K per PCS. take example of a compression tweeter. second hand of cheapest altec lansing (hifi, not multimedia) driver, anytime u throw out at RM 1.8K anytime ppl will grab it. do u think it will appear on a sonic gear that they cut cost so much even on the PCB? so far the cheapest mid that can cover high is used on AEGO M. and that's about RM 700 retail price.
in respond to the underlined parts of ur commentĀ  : there's no point critics back the user that they are smarts or not.. so do you mean that 7Eleven who bought a sonic gear without test and performing measurement of frequencies respond is not smart?Ā  .. user bought it. and found it's unfair. posted it in forum. i found there's nothings wrong. . anyway i believe customer who was dissapointed with it will learn a lesson them self. and be more careful the next time they purchase a speaker.

this thread is good. no matter what reason a sonic gear give...Ā  they still using bad parts inside.
i personally found this tread is very good. while 7Eleven did a good job of comparing different brand speaker internal at the same price range.
this can be a very useful future reference for customer who don't have a chance of buying and ripping them off before knowing what they are buying.

keep up the good work 7Eleven...Ā  notworthy.gifĀ  notworthy.gifĀ  notworthy.gifĀ  notworthy.gif
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Bro PcWork,

Thanks for back me up.
For me, if the company really care about their brand they shud not do what Sonic Gear did mad.gif
This kind of company is really unethical and just think how to cheat customer and earn as much as they can.
A ethical company will use their time to think how to improve the quality, only company they OEM fr other factory got too much time to think how to cheat their company and squeeze their customer kaw kaw sad.gif

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This thread is somewhat poisoning me to get an Edifier speaker.... arrrgghh!! why do i have to live in a college!! sad.gif

anyway, good job 7Eleven. thumbup.gif

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say no to sonic gear... cannot trust anymore... tongue.gif

say yes to Altec Lansing... trust your ears.. biggrin.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(akumirul @ Jan 28 2010, 11:55 PM)
say no to sonic gear... cannot trust anymore... tongue.gif

say yes to Altec Lansing... trust your ears.. biggrin.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(akumirul @ Jan 28 2010, 11:55 PM)
say no to sonic gear... cannot trust anymore... tongue.gif

say yes to Altec Lansing... trust your ears.. biggrin.gif laugh.gif
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Trust you ears and eyes - Say no to Altec Lansing (new models) and Sonic Gear

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QUOTE(dlyz @ Jan 29 2010, 08:48 AM)
Trust you ears and eyes - Say no to Altec Lansing (new models) and Sonic Gear
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Whats wrong with the new models of AL speakers mate? Any problems?
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QUOTE(enemyofgod @ Jan 29 2010, 08:52 AM)
Whats wrong with the new models of AL speakers mate? Any problems?
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cheap parts inside that produce cheap sound
they used to use good quality parts
now all china cheapos in good looking speakers
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Ok, jst notice this thread. Got some good info here, but wanna ask does all SG product also same like this Evo3?
And is Edifier really that good?? So many ppl recommend
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QUOTE(126910937 @ Jan 29 2010, 03:14 PM)
Ok, jst notice this thread. Got some good info here, but wanna ask does all SG product also same like this Evo3?
And is Edifier really that good?? So many ppl recommend
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not sure if all sonic gear products are like this but I can say some of them like blue thunder series kinda good

Edifier I can say currently the best in Malaysia because of the product quality and sound quality
also we got Mr. Edifier and his crew to protect us if any products get sick or die tak pasal-pasal
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QUOTE(dlyz @ Jan 29 2010, 08:48 AM)
Trust you ears and eyes - Say no to Altec Lansing (new models) and Sonic Gear
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QUOTE(power911 @ Jan 29 2010, 02:31 PM)
cheap parts inside that produce cheap sound
they used to use good quality parts
now all china cheapos in good looking speakers
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second both quotes ..
so sayang that AL decided to compromise with their build and sound quality.
during their early years they have managed to place their product and names as one of the respectable player ..
nowadays .. so sayang ...
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QUOTE(soulone @ Jan 29 2010, 05:06 PM)
second both quotes ..
so sayang that AL decided to compromise with their build and sound quality.
during their early years they have managed to place their product and names as one of the respectable player ..
nowadays .. so sayang ...
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and even more earlier of time
they manage to produce some serious true hifi speaker.

Altec A7
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which they are capable to produce seriously respectable performance.

according to some review. some properly match and modified A7 ( not cheap. cost already more than RM50K) can come close to some speaker at price of RM80K
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AL no longer produce HiFi ?
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Pass by Pasar road today and went to 1 of the electronic shop to bought 1 RM5 tweeter for comparison
Test it in very quiet enviroment, otherwise i i can't hear the sound from SG tweeter at all. using M1310 amp to boost it at higher volume.

My RM5 tweeter from Pasar Road

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEjv0LN0ano


Sonic Gear Tweeter

Sonic Gear Tweeter

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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jan 29 2010, 11:28 PM)
Pass by Pasar road today and went to 1 of the electronic shop to bought 1 RM5 tweeter for comparison
Test it in very quiet enviroment, otherwise iĀ  i can't hear the sound from SG tweeter at all. using M1310 amp to boost it at higher volume.

My RM5 tweeter from Pasar Road

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEjv0LN0ano
Sonic Gear Tweeter

Sonic Gear Tweeter
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hmm. the RM5 tweeter have a plastic case.
try removing it so that it is fair to compare with the sonic gear tweeter that doesn't have a plastic case

EDIT: is the RM5 tweeter a piezoelectric tweeter?
if not don't remove it lol
you'll destroy it


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wow.. good info over here..
im never a fan of sonic gear.. they sound awful anyways.. but to think.. ahaha..

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 28 2010, 12:17 AM)
wahlao. dude./.
don't advertise here mah..
later sonic gear member hates u.
condam u kao kao
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Not advertise la, since this is discovery channel and the article quite match the topic so just post here for share smile.gif
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dear all, just manage to take a video to compare the quality of Sonic Gear Evo3 with Edifier M1335 mid range driver. I found some funny sound when i press on the Sonic Gear's mid range driver and this doesn't not happen on Edifier mid Range driver, can someone tell me why the Sonic Gear Driver got the sound when i press it?

Comparison between Sonic Gear Evo3 and Edifier M1335 mid range driver

Hope u all like it =)
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hehehehe...... wellll it suit with the price thought.......
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That RM5 tweeter from Jalan Pasar doesn't look like a piezo based to me.
Piezo ones that I used to buy have horn like enclosure to radiate the 'noises' biggrin.gif , and they're 3 bucks each! LOL! laugh.gif

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I can confirm the 1 in the middle (in Pic) is a piezo tweeter, you try un-screw the back and see' you will find the same round piece of flat metal attached to a tiny paper cone without any magnets.
The plastic thing is just the housing.
It can go very loud and sharp, and it's not fake.
I used to play with these piezo tweeters when i was young because they are cheap and allmost impossible to burn.
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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Mar 13 2010, 10:25 PM)
up this thread.. encourage more people to participate in this channel. laugh.gif

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this post makes me wanna take photos of my sis edifier e3100
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jan 28 2010, 02:19 PM)
Wah, just finished reading all the post.

I learned to never trusted any of these 'ah beng' speakers.
Look at them displaying their wares in PC Fair pun tau: sure phailz.

Loud and distortion saja ada. Might as well use these telur speakers.

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They are actually surprisingly loud for their size (which is no bigger than a large egg).

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LOL im actually using one this egg speaker.. bought it for rm26 at lowyat.. nvr look down on tis egg i muz say! its amazingly loud!!! rclxub.gif rclxub.gif there's once im using it in a very very large hall n i dare say half of the hall can hear tis egg's sound... flex.gif
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QUOTE(power911 @ Mar 16 2010, 11:49 PM)
this post makes me wanna take photos of my sis edifier e3100
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come on, do not hesitate to take. there are some internal pic of E3100 in the net but none shows the details of the items inside.
here i will motivate you with some picture of my old M3300. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Mar 17 2010, 02:33 AM)
come on, do not hesitate to take. there are some internal pic of E3100 in the net but none shows the details of the items inside.
here i will motivate you with some picture of my old M3300. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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and skills to open it as it is very very tightly built
the wires are short because it's tucked neatly too well tongue.gif
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wah..very good thread..

now i'm just using edifier M1350... laugh.gif


audio quality very nice even very cheap..RM80 only..and very portable..
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I'm using SG for 3 years, I think so..
I realize the 'hampeh' sound of SC when playing it directly on it's amp. Lucky I'm using it now with DD processor so the 'hampeh' sound was covered by the DD processor. But even now feels the SW wanna pecah already..
Damn SG!! Take a hike !!
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QUOTE(power911 @ Jan 29 2010, 04:30 PM)
not sure if all sonic gear products are like this but I can say some of them like blue thunder series kinda good

Edifier I can say currently the best in Malaysia because of the product quality and sound quality
also we got Mr. Edifier and his crew to protect us if any products get sick or die tak pasal-pasal
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i have to agree with all of you here with all the new SG models... None of them sounds good at all, especially the Evo series!! Either they have too much treble or bass are too hard.. EXCEPT for the Bluethunder Series which you mentioned above.. I was shopping for new pc speaker 3 years ago and the Bluethunder series caught my attention with it's low price and professional look. I purchased a Bluethunder I for RM140 as it was the best of all among it's price range.. It has a very clean mids and highs, bass is ok except when it goes really low... This system is comparable to the famous Altec Lansing v4121 and believe me, the bluethuner I have better mids and highs than the vs4121!!!! After reading this forum, i was wondering if my Bluethunder I's tweeters were fake, and so i open it up... Thank god they are not!! haha.. They do produce trebles but at a very high frequency while the midrange driver handles all the mids and highs, so the tweeters work like supertweeters which sounds very crisp to make the sound more crystal clear... But one thing i found when i open the satellite speakers up, THEY LOOK CHEAP OMG!!! But who cares? as long as they sound good and cannot be seen from outside... Just have a look of my system with the link below;

Here is my system with the drivers inside...

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Notice the poor workmanship?? It's not even screwed properly and i still see holes and the wire inside!!!
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Apart from the built quality of this model, I'm glad that this model is quipped with REAL tweeters instead of fake ones... The tweeter produces really high frequency of treble.. When you're listening to lossless music, you can really hear the details of the singer's voice as well as the string of a guitar which is really amazing.. Not too sharp and just nice...

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take care with your sonic gear.
don't blast them too much
sonic gear build quality is mostly bad and may die very soon.

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lol...y i can't break mine?? any idea how to break it and make it seems like a quality problem ar??...nid idea to get rid of EVO 5..lol
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juz found out...my EVO5 do nt even has a workable(unlike evo3) tweeter!!! it juz a piece of plastic..you cheap SONIC GEAR
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QUOTE(jammerlee711 @ May 1 2010, 03:38 PM)
juz found out...my EVO5 do nt even has a workable(unlike evo3) tweeter!!! it juz a piece of plastic..you cheap SONIC GEAR
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got wires connected to it?
if got then it's a working one even if you can't hear sound coming from it lol
still,a cheapo speaker
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QUOTE(power911 @ May 1 2010, 04:02 PM)
got wires connected to it?
if got then it's a working one even if you can't hear sound coming from it lol
still,a cheapo speaker
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nope...there isn't any..wanna upload the pic here...which size are rite for the pics??
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QUOTE(jammerlee711 @ May 1 2010, 04:09 PM)
nope...there isn't any..wanna upload the pic here...which size are rite for the pics??
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just enough smile.gif
just don't make them larger than half the page here icon_rolleyes.gif
never liked sonic gear shakehead.gif
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picture of my EVO 5...the build ..cheaper than EVO 3 ...lol...dun even has a tweeter on it although it said so
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shocking.gif shocking.gif they even use tape rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
Why dont they remove the tweeter and cut cost?
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wonder if tis is cheating...mayb we can sue sonic gear for this


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shocking.gif  shocking.gif they even use tape  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
Why dont they remove the tweeter and cut cost?
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even the tape i use to stick my engineering drawing paper is thicker than theirs...haiz~really feel sad about that ..i hate sonic gear~

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QUOTE(jammerlee711 @ May 1 2010, 05:06 PM)
picture of my EVO 5...the build ..cheaper than EVO 3 ...lol...dun even has a tweeter on it although it said so
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wow that tweeter is the best tweeter I've ever seen laugh.gif

better than TS posted tweeters hahahahahhahaha

mega fail!
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haha..yeah...evo 3=cheap tweeter,evo5= plastic tweeter,i wonder what material they used to make evo 7 & 8's...A4 paper or toilet paper roller?? haha ;-)
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evo 7 I guess will be piezo tweeter or the same case like yours. fake non-working tweeter

evo 8 High Quality Failed Tweeters to attract customers attention
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haiz nt only the tweeter..the main satellite is also crappy rubbish~made frm toilet tissue roller...i wanna destroy it !! teach me how~~~~
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QUOTE(jammerlee711 @ May 2 2010, 12:44 AM)
haiz nt only the tweeter..the main satellite is also crappy rubbish~made frm toilet tissue roller...i wanna destroy it !! teach me how~~~~
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go to chemistry class and get some alkali metals
lithium,sodium,potassium and if you're lucky rubidium and cesium

place them on top of the speaker and burn it smile.gif
be careful tho. I've tried burning lithium and it's crazy. the burning force is very powerful. flames are so bright as if looking at the sun.

collect some potassium and burn them on the speaker.
watch it burn smile.gif


PS: if you can find thermite then it will be awesome too
just use a propane blowtorch and burn it slowly

but first burn the speaker by blasting it full volume first smile.gif
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wow....chemistry eh??..hahax
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QUOTE(power911 @ May 2 2010, 01:45 AM)
go to chemistry class and get some alkali metals
lithium,sodium,potassium and if you're lucky rubidium and cesium

place them on top of the speaker and burn it smile.gif
be careful tho. I've tried burning lithium and it's crazy. the burning force is very powerful. flames are so bright as if looking at the sun.

collect some potassium and burn them on the speaker.
watch it burn smile.gif
PS: if you can find thermite then it will be awesome too
just use a propane blowtorch and burn it slowly

but first burn the speaker by blasting it full volume first smile.gif
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Looks like someone don't pay attention in class. You need water, or at least water vapor, to ignite the alkali metal, you don't 'burn' it. If you asked me I would rather use Magnesium

Or you just put it under your car tires and roll them over. Simple laugh.gif
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these are nt "fake" enough..i wan a fake accident..hahaha ~so that i can blame sonic gear in front of my mom..hahax
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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 2 2010, 02:05 AM)
Looks like someone don't pay attention in class. You need water, or at least water vapor, to ignite the alkali metal, you don't 'burn' it. If you asked me I would rather use Magnesium

Or you just put it under your car tires and roll them over. Simple laugh.gif
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Group 1 metals more reactive than Group 2. Lithium and sodium will burn instantly when water vapour in the air react with them. That's why all lab group 1 metal are stored in parafin oil. However, magnesium metal only rust when in contact in air. That's why in lab you usually use magnesium ribbon and have to scrap off the black stuff.

End of chem class icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 2 2010, 02:05 AM)
Looks like someone don't pay attention in class. You need water, or at least water vapor, to ignite the alkali metal, you don't 'burn' it. If you asked me I would rather use Magnesium
Or you just put it under your car tires and roll them over. Simple laugh.gif
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hey hey
I've tried burning lithium alone with fire and it's highly reactive compared to dumping it in water.
it burns very very bright flame that lights up the whole lab
got scolded by teacher too tongue.gif
burning it in water will result fizzing only and the flame keep extinguish

there are may ways to make an element react

anyway sonic gear speakers I'd plug it in a good amp and play it very loud till the speakers can't handle

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I'd check on latest Sonic Gear brochure and found out that EVO series no longer exist. Could it be their dirty little secret exposed?
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ May 2 2010, 10:24 PM)
I'd check on latest Sonic Gear brochure and found out that EVO series no longer exist. Could it be their dirty little secret exposed?
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haha I guess so
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QUOTE(power911 @ May 2 2010, 06:51 PM)
hey hey
I've tried burning lithium alone with fire and it's highly reactive compared to dumping it in water.
it burns very very bright flame that lights up the whole lab
got scolded by teacher too tongue.gif
burning it in water will result fizzing only and the flame keep extinguish

there are may ways to make an element react

anyway sonic gear speakers I'd plug it in a good amp and play it very loud till the speakers can't handle
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Crazy, you lucky those lithium don't jump anywhere to you sweat.gif Don't have anymore crazy ideas in chemist class, you won't get lucky all the time
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ May 2 2010, 10:24 PM)
I'd check on latest Sonic Gear brochure and found out that EVO series no longer exist. Could it be their dirty little secret exposed?
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it's not a big deal for them. they would probably just take the drivers from the unsold EVO series, and use a cellotape to stick it to their new range of speakers, whatever that may be. whole new look, but with the same insides. anyway, i'm just wondering, did any of Sonic Gear owners here ever went to the distributor and say "boss, the tweeter in my satellite is not working la... can u check for me?" i really cant imagine what are they going to do to make a plastic tweeter work. laugh.gif
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woah.. fake tweeters on EVO XD.. even my el-cheapo blue thunder 1 has a pair of working tweeters
(those it make it superior than the more expensive evo series doh.gif)
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Yesterday nite, go Lowyat to find some parts and saw this babe Sonic Gear Evo3 Platinum (MSRP RM119). Suddenly hand feel itchy, feel like want to dismantle sometime so decide to buy a unit.

This time they r smart, they glue the front plastic of the sat so user cannot open it. I manage to dismantle it but the sat gone, check the pic below cry.gif

How SG cut the cost this time
1. They remove the front wooden part of sat, So they got to glue the front plastic cover to hide the secret smile.gif
2. The magnet at the back of the sat have been remove
3. The size of the sat smaller so they can use less Chipboard
4. The Evo3 Platinum sat is lighter than the Evo3, they use lower density chipboard for the sat.
5. The tweeter they use better quality than Evo3 smile.gif
6. Price higher but built quality lower, found out the dimension of the MDF slimmer than before.

Will discover more when i free. My RM119 just fly away cry.gif



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Wow,salute to 7Eleven.
Paid your own money to do experiment.
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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Jul 28 2010, 09:40 AM)
Yesterday nite, go Lowyat to find some parts and saw this babe Sonic Gear Evo3 Platinum (MSRP RM119). Suddenly hand feel itchy, feel like want to dismantle sometime so decide to buy a unit.

This time they r smart, they glue the front plastic of the sat so user cannot open it. I manage to dismantle it but the sat gone, check the pic below  cry.gif

How SG cut the cost this time
1. They remove the front wooden part of sat, So they got to glue the front plastic cover to hide the secret smile.gif
2. The magnet at the back of the sat have been remove
3. The size of the sat smaller so they can use less Chipboard
4. The Evo3 Platinum sat is lighter than the Evo3, they use lower density chipboard for the sat.
5. The tweeter they use better quality than Evo3 smile.gif
6. Price higher but built quality lower, found out the dimension of the MDF slimmer than before.

Will discover more when i free. My RM119 just fly away  cry.gif
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awesome job done there...
your RM119 is very well spent as it shows how bad sonic gear is notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

anyway,got pics of the tweeter? cuz I don't see any pics of them tongue.gif
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@7eleven

nice work there bro, but i wonder if you want to check what's inside the subwoofer? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Jul 28 2010, 05:06 PM)
@7eleven

nice work there bro, but i wonder if you want to check what's inside the subwoofer? tongue.gif
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yea!! we want to see the subwoofer too
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sonic gear user here. using evo 7..

my review, their product sux bigtime!! doh.gif

less than 1 year use, the speaker sound already "pecah" .lol

almost 2 year use, one of the sat. didn't work anymore sweat.gif

feels like want to throw this speaker to my wall. tongue.gif

by the way guys, am thinking of buying a new speaker..which one of these is the best choice?

1. altec lansing vs2421
2. edifier m3300
3. edifier m3300sf


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edifier m3300 hv clarity but dun hv enough bass for modern pop song...i suggest u to buy logitech x-540...using it happily now...btw x540=5.1
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QUOTE(jammerlee711 @ Aug 1 2010, 10:39 PM)
edifier m3300 hv clarity but dun hv enough bass for modern pop song...i suggest u to buy logitech x-540...using it happily now...btw x540=5.1
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my budget only rm250
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edifier all the way...
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QUOTE(power911 @ Aug 1 2010, 10:47 PM)
edifier all the way...
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QUOTE(sixshot @ Aug 1 2010, 10:44 PM)
my budget only rm250
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i got mine for 210 only...i do know some ppl don't like to buy secondhand thing but
if u're okay with that go to garage sales and u may find some great deal there rclxm9.gif
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The Tweeter of Evo3 Platinum, photo quality not very good cause using handphone to capture the pic. sad.gif






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QUOTE(7Eleven @ Aug 5 2010, 10:03 AM)
The Tweeter of Evo3 Platinum, photo quality not very good cause using handphone to capture the pic.  sad.gif
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aiya... what about the back? tongue.gif
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resurrecting this thread... laugh.gif
got my klipsch ifi used, noticed there is small thing added next to the fuse. everything else seems to be stock.


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looks kool! drool.gif
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quite beefy for an ipod speaker i think. btw ADA885 still got more complex gut with its dual voicecoil sub and dual amp compartment, but i dare not open up mine since i tend to screw up.

still, you can enjoy the pic from someone's ADA885.
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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Oct 8 2010, 02:26 PM)
quite beefy for an ipod speaker i think. btw ADA885 still got more complex gut with its dual voicecoil sub and dual amp compartment, but i dare not open up mine since i tend to screw up.

still, you can enjoy the pic from someone's ADA885.
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yes, the inner structure of ada885 is a bit complex imo. My ada885 got haywire 6 months ago, the sound on and off when i play music with it, I dissemble most of it and check the components inside to see whether got any problem. Then found nothing. Luckily when i assemble it and try to switch it on again, then only i found the culprit, the headphone female connector beside left satellite hmm.gif there was too much of dust inside so it thought i had plug in the headphone.
Now everything ok already, it still serving me well after these 8years. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

I will take some picture to share with u all when i dissemble it again, i have to clean up all the dust inside the sub before that. Anyone have good suggestion to clean dust on the pcb board??

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use a dry, soft brush? btw now i put a 80mm 12V fan blowing to the side of the digital decoder which get warm on even idle. just blutack it to the side and my ADA885 has been much cooler than before. not sure if the inner amp is 'burning' already or not. laugh.gif

btw here is the image:
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Will try by using a soft brush, a few ppl suggested me to do the same. Thanks a lot. smile.gif
My sub is not that hot although i idle or play songs with it, yours is hot maybe because u in the space that is too small for air to circulate?
And nice THX logo you stick on your sub. rclxms.gif

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Will try by using a soft brush, a few ppl suggested me to do the same. Thanks a lot.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(cubicle @ Oct 12 2010, 09:07 AM)
Will try by using a soft brush, a few ppl suggested me to do the same. Thanks a lot.  smile.gif
My sub is not that hot although i idle or play songs with it, yours is hot maybe because u in the space that is too small for air to circulate?
And nice THX logo you stick on your sub.  rclxms.gif
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yup, mine also quite hot when i place both in my room or outside below the dvd player (picture). that's why i thought a simple fan would help. haha thanks, i hate the plain empty looks, so there it goes... laugh.gif
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Altec Lansing VS4121 (blue led). cable from transformer and woofer are very short. uses particle board, very light. power caps are below transformer itself. it appears the the front is only covered by the plastic fascia, makes it even lighter than it suppose to.



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looks nice smile.gif

any plans of adding acoustic foamies into it?
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QUOTE(power911 @ Nov 9 2010, 02:18 PM)
looks nice smile.gif

any plans of adding acoustic foamies into it?
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Altec Lansing ADA885. as mentioned above, quite complex, plenty of capacitors here there. dual amp, inside and outside the box, plus a DD decoder. dual voice-coil sub and one big toroidal transformer. slot port reflex design.

i think this will be the last of my collection, sold the R501 and VS4121 already.

UPDATE: more pics here. Replaced heatsink and no more port chuffing sound.

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wow...the different board between sonic gear and altec lansing..altec lansing sgt kemas..
but sonic gear cheap than altec lansing..
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QUOTE(gu~wak_zhai @ Mar 17 2010, 12:08 AM)
LOL im actually using one this egg speaker.. bought it for rm26 at lowyat.. nvr look down on tis egg i muz say! its amazingly loud!!!  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif there's once im using it in a very very large hall n i dare say half of the hall can hear tis egg's sound...  flex.gif
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QUOTE(eremitic @ Jan 1 2011, 11:27 AM)
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amp wise~~~ rolleyes.gif

nice pics you got there biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(studwo @ Jan 17 2010, 11:48 AM)
I am using a5 ehe /
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dude, i'm interested in SG a5. can u tell me its performance?
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but the build quality sux badly so don't buy it

check here
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Just found a review of SG Armageddon 3, the speaker produce by Eacan smile.gif

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QUOTE(power911 @ Feb 14 2011, 02:26 PM)
sonic gear armageddon a5 is okay tbh
but the build quality sux badly so don't buy it

check here
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actually, if you take a close look, the PCB used in A5 is almost identical to the above-mentioned Eacan A600II. only some differents in components. but transformer and PCB are more-or-less identical.

QUOTE(7Eleven @ Feb 15 2011, 11:29 AM)
Just found a review of SG Armageddon 3, the speaker produce by Eacan smile.gif

Armageddon 3
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actually sonicgear a5 like just eacan a200ii's oem

i owned both of them, a5 died in 1 year plus, a600ii sold

but in term of sq ,a600ii better a lot...

a5's bass are muddy ....

even a3 bass also better than a5....imo


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Speaking of discovery, I bought this China budget speaker with mp3 playback. It has two speaker and a center woofer that looks like a mini sub. So I went ahead and bought it because it play quite well. When I reach home, open up the whole thing, realized that there are no sub at all. Just a piece of paper covering a hole but resemble the looks of a speaker.

I think we are asking too much from the chinese. Rm50, has two small speaker, support memory card n 3.5mm input, even come with rechargeable battery like those on our phone. It sounds slightly better than the MP230 that I bought. MP230 sounds a bit tiny...
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How about SG Tatoo Duo 2 guys. Because i own this speaker and i really want to know what i pay for...
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QUOTE(Tazerazer @ Mar 11 2011, 12:34 PM)
When are you dismantling a Klipsch? smile.gif Only asking cos I can't bear to dismantle mine, it's my favourite. But you seem to be quite into this thing. Anyway Klipsch is by far the best. I don't understand why people would consider Logitech but not Klipsch.
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jan 17 2010, 05:57 AM)
lol, its a sonic gear, what do you expect? I have been working in one of the biggest IT shop in lolyat years back and Sonic Gear speaker has the highest fault rate followed by altec and edifier

china, US, canada
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But seriously, they're all made in China. Like, what isn't made in China?

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QUOTE(Tazerazer @ Mar 11 2011, 12:34 PM)
When are you dismantling a Klipsch? smile.gif Only asking cos I can't bear to dismantle mine, it's my favourite. But you seem to be quite into this thing. Anyway Klipsch is by far the best. I don't understand why people would consider Logitech but not Klipsch.
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i like klipsch also. there is one dismantle pic i posted here along with some other speakers like altec lansing. as you can see it uses cheapskate capacitors, but it has rather sophisticated motherboard and metal film capacitors (like bose companion). too much metal film caps are not a good thing either, i read earlier it is not always superior in terms of sound. beefy transformer as well.

there is also pic of older vs new promedia 2.1 here in case you're interested. rather disappointing many things has gone. scroll up and there is picture of GMX 2.1 as well. what klipsch are you using? i wanted the ultra 5.1 but the size + stepdown transformer is too big for me.

anyway, i think Divoom is based on Singapore. already mentioned about it few years back. anyhow copy design from different manufacturers, what a shame.

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as far as I know guys... Sonic Gear uses Eacan's amplifier XD
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eee... less talk moar pics XD
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hye threaders..

got me an AL 251 somewhere in 2002/3 with my PTPTN money.. now,8yrs later.. from 5.1, only 1.1 survived.. the other 4 sat kept quite.. looking at the days gone by..

/end of sad story

i was thinkin of grabbing a Creative GigaWorks T20

issit good? reading all those prev post kinda creeps me out..
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hye threaders..

got me an AL 251 somewhere in 2002/3 with my PTPTN money.. now,8yrs later.. from 5.1, only 1.1 survived.. the other 4 sat kept quite.. looking at the days gone by..

/end of sad story

i was thinkin of grabbing a Creative GigaWorks T20

issit good? reading all those prev post kinda creeps me out..
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AW... just saw this topic, how about sonic gear ego8? coz im using it=,=
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AW... just saw this topic, how about sonic gear ego8? coz im using it=,=
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QUOTE(power911 @ Apr 10 2011, 10:43 PM)
anything with the name sonic gear on it is bad whistling.gif
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Cambridge SoundWorks (Creative) Megaworks 550

i got this speaker from forumer as slightly spoilt set. popping and crackling every few seconds but everything else is fine. finally managed to repair it with the help of other forumer. turns out the glue has corroded and short some components. remove the glue and repair broken PCB track, everything is as good as new. this is the fault of Creative of spamming the glue everywhere including at the bottom of the PCB.

first board on top (with 2 black heatsink and coils) is the switching power supply. the middle one is the BASH amplifier, also with 2 black heatsink.

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The glue really look messy..
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QUOTE(boomber @ Apr 20 2011, 01:00 AM)
The glue really look messy..
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forgot what but I think is those electronic noise
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QUOTE(power911 @ Apr 20 2011, 02:14 PM)
says people those glue was done on purpose to reduce...something hmm.gif
forgot what but I think is those electronic noise
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I work for ceramic cap, but electrolytic i'm not sure.

Spamming glue on PCB tracks or conductive places are risky, might get short circuit same like soldering flux which i experienced before, unless you are very sure that glue is purely non conductive even on sensitive device.
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yeah well they spam it everywhere on their megaworks - gigaworks model, especially the one with 8" sub. the glue become corrosive and short-circuit the parts in the PCB. together with very hot amp many megaworks and gigaworks died very quickly. i now used 2x 80mm 12V fan to blow the backplate, still, when i put my finger into the subwoofer port i can still feel the warmth.
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this thread very² useful..i read from 1st page and i was planning to buy Sonic Gear speaker for my room..my GF fall in love with the design doh.gif after show to her this thread,bought Edifier M3300SF last nite rclxms.gif damn awesome sound icon_idea.gif thx guys
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Really have no idea why people put so much glue everywhere. The only reason i can think of is to prevent the movement of their components as those speakers travel far in shipping.
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The new Evo 3 Platinum & Evo 5 Platinum is using a real tweeter this time. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Apr 20 2011, 09:28 PM)
yeah well they spam it everywhere on their megaworks - gigaworks model, especially the one with 8" sub. the glue become corrosive and short-circuit the parts in the PCB. together with very hot amp many megaworks and gigaworks died very quickly. i now used 2x 80mm 12V fan to blow the backplate, still, when i put my finger into the subwoofer port i can still feel the warmth.
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Are these speakers hand soldered?
How come the components slanted like this.
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Guy I totally agree with you. We should be getting what we pay for and not some cheap or non existing tweeter or spec. I don't mind low quality products, just make sure the price is also very low. SG should be black listed when they charge premium when they only give sub standard product!!!!! (its like a con job guys!)

That said I just wanted to say I purchase this Creative I-Trigue 2300 (was a display set) for just only RM100.00 the other day. I took it apart the other day just to see what was inside (before I saw this tread so sorry no picts) and was very happy that inside all four speakers were from Cambridge Soundworks. It even has serial numbers and all (sometimes u just have to love em Brits).

Sound wise, it doesn't have great bass (no woofer ma) but mids and highs are reproduce well. Sounds better than the RM100 I paid for it.

Just though I share (maybe the next time I take it apart I will post the internal picts) .

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QUOTE(x-treme @ May 22 2011, 09:59 AM)
got plan to place the amp outside ? better heat dissipation ?
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well. blu-tack-ed 2x 12V 80mm PC fan to the back of subwoofer. brings down alot of heat, but still a bit warm to touch even though both fan already running at full speed. (my 3 other 2.1 PC speakers only need 1fan at half speed)

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Guy I totally agree with you. We should be getting what we pay for and not some cheap or non existing tweeter or spec. I don't mind low quality products, just make sure the price is also very low. SG should be black listed when they charge premium when they only give sub standard product!!!!! (its like a con job guys!)

That said I just wanted to say I purchase this Creative I-Trigue 2300 (was a display set) for just only RM100.00 the other day. I took it apart the other day just to see what was inside (before I saw this tread so sorry no picts) and was very happy that inside all four speakers were from Cambridge Soundworks. It even has serial numbers and all (sometimes u just have to love em Brits).

Sound wise, it doesn't have great bass (no woofer ma) but mids and highs are reproduce well. Sounds better than the RM100 I paid for it.

Just though I share (maybe the next time I take it apart I will post the internal picts) .

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good stuffs by cambridge soundworks. i also happen to dismantle a Creative Inspire 2400 which is made by CSW. good workmanship. subwoofer cable is quite thick, even thicker than my M3300. no offense but it's true.

EDIT: just realized i think i got some busted caps over there... well it probably explains why i got blown subwoofer. either the driver voicecoil is blown or the capacitors also gone bad.

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Really have no idea why people put so much glue everywhere. The only reason i can think of is to prevent the movement of their components as those speakers travel far in shipping.
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my opinion is because of the vibration this loose components causes when sound is produced out/from within the speaker
it'll become abnormal noise and its annoying, you wont enjoy your music
but there might be other purpose, although electrical components usually they will use hotmelt

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QUOTE(musica22 @ May 23 2011, 10:41 PM)
my opinion is because of the vibration this loose components causes when sound is produced out/from within the speaker
it'll become abnormal noise and its annoying, you wont enjoy your music
but there might be other purpose, although electrical components usually they will use hotmelt
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Yes I agree. The amount of vibration inside a sub-woofer is great therefor if all the components are not secure, soon they will become loose.
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I hope the small tweeter on the M3300SF is really working (it does, i felt some vibrations)
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QUOTE(w.j0102 @ Jul 26 2011, 06:30 PM)
I hope the small tweeter on the M3300SF is really working (it does, i felt some vibrations)
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Don't worry about that, it is real working tweeters there....
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What about the quality of DA5000PRO? I just bought it ..and I also noticed DA5000 have 2 speakers in each satellite but somehow DA5000PRO changed to 1 speaker and 1 tweeter.


Here the pictures of components from techlabs
http://article.techlabs.by/print/100_7905.html
http://article.techlabs.by/full/100_1132.html

So how is the quality? and why changed from 2 speakers? I just want to know more ^^.
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QUOTE(chiangeg @ Jul 27 2011, 05:06 PM)
What about the quality of DA5000PRO? I just bought it ..and I also noticed DA5000 have 2 speakers in each satellite but somehow DA5000PRO changed to 1 speaker and 1 tweeter.
Here the pictures of components from techlabs
http://article.techlabs.by/print/100_7905.html
http://article.techlabs.by/full/100_1132.html

So how is the quality? and why changed from 2 speakers? I just want to know more ^^.
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DA5000pro is upgrade version of DA5000 and it change 1 of the mid range driver to tweeter.

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But it would be nice if they maintained 2 mid range with tweeter..haha.


Atleast from the pictures I can see more components with combination of some bigger capacitors and bigger board compared to SonicGear. But I don't know how to judge the quality tongue.gif ...only some sifu here such as nismo and power911 or mr.edifier able to do it.

Well, one more question...most of the brand have amplifier inside the subwoofer, and there's hundreds or perhaps thousands of components ranged from small to big ones ..but what happens when one or few of them failed? With that many components soldered inside, the percentage of failure of any one of them is high..especially after more than a year.

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well if one of them fail sometimes they are just in parallel, so it might still works but you can hear loss of power, or even crackles etc.

i did mentioned here before that i bought a used megaworks 550 in light faulty condition, that it pops every few seconds randomly. turns out the glue have corroded and shorts few small capacitors (lucky it's the small one) in the switching power supply board. after few cleanup it works perfectly again now... (pic is in this thread)

another problem with my speaker is the iFi, which one capacitor (responsible for the dock) fails and causes system to shutdown and pops itself. after replacement it works perfectly for 3 mths, then this time it doesn't shutdown, just pops. re-cap the whole board but still pops. lol i gave up and just send to technician.

actually, don't only judge the amplifier. but also the speaker driver. one can look very small and light, but actually produce better sound than the bigger one. not to mention some other added value such as speaker cabinet tuning. logitech have quite powerful subwoofer, but it quits around 35hz, which is a shame, just because it's not tuned to achieve lower bass.
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QUOTE(chiangeg @ Jul 27 2011, 05:35 PM)
But it would be nice if they maintained 2 mid range with tweeter..haha.
Atleast from the pictures I can see more components with combination of some bigger capacitors and bigger board compared to SonicGear. But I don't know how to judge the quality tongue.gif ...only some sifu here such as nismo and power911 or mr.edifier able to do it.

Well, one more question...most of the brand have amplifier inside the subwoofer, and there's hundreds or perhaps thousands of components ranged from small to big ones ..but what happens when one or few of them failed?  With that many components soldered inside, the percentage of failure of any one of them is high..especially after more than a year.
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well if one of them fail sometimes they are just in parallel, so it might still works but you can hear loss of power, or even crackles etc.

i did mentioned here before that i bought a used megaworks 550 in light faulty condition, that it pops every few seconds randomly. turns out the glue have corroded and shorts few small capacitors (lucky it's the small one) in the switching power supply board. after few cleanup it works perfectly again now... (pic is in this thread)

another problem with my speaker is the iFi, which one capacitor (responsible for the dock) fails and causes system to shutdown and pops itself. after replacement it works perfectly for 3 mths, then this time it doesn't shutdown, just pops. re-cap the whole board but still pops. lol i gave up and just send to technician.

actually, don't only judge the amplifier. but also the speaker driver. one can look very small and light, but actually produce better sound than the bigger one. not to mention some other added value such as speaker cabinet tuning. logitech have quite powerful subwoofer, but it quits around 35hz, which is a shame, just because it's not tuned to achieve lower bass.
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They have powerful subwoofer for Z5500 but like you said it is limited to go below 35hz. I always wanted to try logitech speaker but Z5500 is old tongue.gif ... but after I bought DA5000PRO ..then I only saw the new model from Logitech flag ship ..Z-906 5.1 ..the differences only around RM300.


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dun call me sifu T_T
I just love sharp clean piercing trebles and I've only heard good trebles thru speakers with tweeters
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Haha ok master power911 thumbup.gif

so how about the quality of the DA5000PRO's components inside the subwoofer? Just curious tongue.gif .. because I even bought Asus Xonar DX to compliment my DA5000PRO.

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QUOTE(chiangeg @ Jul 27 2011, 08:44 PM)
They have powerful subwoofer for Z5500 but like you said it is limited to go below 35hz. I always wanted to try logitech speaker but Z5500 is old tongue.gif ... but after I bought DA5000PRO ..then I only saw the new model from Logitech flag ship ..Z-906 5.1 ..the differences only around RM300.
Haha ok master power911  thumbup.gif

so how about the quality of the DA5000PRO's components inside the subwoofer? Just curious tongue.gif .. because I even bought Asus Xonar DX to compliment my DA5000PRO.
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the logitech subwoofer i mentioned is Z Cinema. it falls very sharp after 35hz. but i haven't tested in another location. with the ifi i can get 30hz in the same room, but i got clear 25hz after trying it in another location. im gonna try my megaworks later on, see how much deeper it can go. again, not all room can provide you with that feedback so it's pretty much useless if you got deep subwoofer but a non-supporting room acoustic.

anyway, this is what i can only find on DA5000Pro. not that bad.
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Haha... not that bad means below average ..hope it won't fail fast. cry.gif

For the low frequency you mentioned, not only in z-cinema ..I remember some expert reviews Z-5500 and Z-906 as well and they mentioned the low freq are limited too.

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dont worry i rarely see anyone mention their Edifier fails. Edifier have a good quality control, so just enjoy your speakers...

yeah the thing is logitech used subsonic filter to limit subwoofer not playing below 20hz. but between 20-35hz it already cant play due to the tuning frequency is too high. beside, logitech satellites are bad. im using z-cinema (so far i think it's the only one with midrange and tweeter for its 2.1) and still not satisfied with the satellites. cant imagine if i settle with their fullrange.
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Even though DA5000PRO cost RM700..but is should be good enough tongue.gif ...I'm abit regret not getting high end 1k+ speaker. But I will enjoy DA5000PRO as much as possible until it spoils ..haha, atleast the bass is better than R501 ..the R501 bass couldn't punch well most of the time.
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yeah well the R501 sub only 30W. beside is also not tuned low enough for you to enjoy boom boom. lol i used R501 before, and if you put the bass more than default it will become muddy. so have to rely on software to bring out the bass in R501. that's why i sort of upgraded to ADA885 at the moment. the rest of my collection is in hometown. laugh.gif
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My friend used to have Altec Lansing MX5021 and the bass is damm awesome..I want to achieve that with 5.1 system. Btw his MX5021 is from the old batch (later on Altec Lansing decided to reduced the quality and the bass is not as good anymore) ...

Even with the foobar2000 I still couldn't get puchy bass from R501 and I'm using the highest realtek ALC889 (Gigabyte P67A-UD4-B3) with dolby 5.1 function enabled which I don't think it is decoding in real-time ..but being processed by low quality realtek software based. So I ordered Asus Xonar DX...hope to get better sound.

As your signature says, you using ALC883..and I think you are someone who appreciate sound quality a lot ^^, but you didn't use any sophisticated sound card/receiver.

So I think upgrading to Asus Xonar DX would not bring any significant sound quality increase (end up getting new DA5000PRO along the way). I'm just itchy to try it out with my speakers with something new because I never use anything dedicated such as Asus Xonar DX as the source of sound.

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QUOTE(chiangeg @ Jul 28 2011, 12:42 AM)
Even though DA5000PRO cost RM700..but is should be good enough tongue.gif ...I'm abit regret not getting high end 1k+ speaker. But I will enjoy DA5000PRO as much as possible until it spoils ..haha, atleast the bass is better than R501 ..the R501 bass couldn't punch well most of the time.
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QUOTE(chiangeg @ Jul 28 2011, 02:52 AM)
My friend used to have Altec Lansing MX5021 and the bass is damm awesome..I want to achieve that with 5.1 system. Btw his MX5021 is from the old batch (later on Altec Lansing decided to reduced the quality and the bass is not as good anymore) ...

Even with the foobar2000 I still couldn't get puchy bass from R501 and I'm using the highest realtek ALC889 (Gigabyte P67A-UD4-B3) with dolby 5.1 function enabled which I don't think it is decoding in real-time ..but being processed by low quality realtek software based. So I ordered Asus Xonar DX...hope to get better sound.

As your signature says, you using ALC883..and I think you are someone who appreciate sound quality a lot ^^, but you didn't use any sophisticated sound card/receiver.

So I think upgrading to Asus Xonar DX would not bring any significant sound quality increase (end up getting new DA5000PRO along the way). I'm just itchy to try it out with my speakers with something new because I never use anything dedicated such as Asus Xonar DX as the source of sound.
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yeah, i am using poor realtek now. but i don't use realtek EQ, because it's so bad it would clip and distort. the reason i dont use soundcard is because i used to own low end X-Fi 5.1 USB and X-Fi XtremeAudio but when i use it on my desktop i got alot of problem with those. so i decided to sell everything and run onboard now. the X-fi definitely sound better, but since I only plug Z-Cinema to the desktop, there is no need for soundcard as well (Z-Cinema have its own). the iFi, being my best speaker are only plugged into iPod, because it has RF remote, so i can operate it from afar without even touching the ipod.

have to agree with R501 not enough punch even with foobar2000 eq. i dont rely on foobar eq but i only used it to bring certain boom in system with poor bass. if you like MX5021, you will probably like Logitech bass. MX5021 bass is good, but when compared with other bigger system it cannot really match. you should enjoy your DA5000Pro now. when time comes you can upgrade to bigger system or even a separate system (non-PC setup). also remember, try to place ur subwoofer in another room or corner, to check if you can get better bass. so you know the real potential of your speakers.
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build in Quality build in Quality build in Quality...that only in head edifier and AL fansboy..make me disgusted...
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build in Quality build in Quality build in Quality...that only in head edifier and AL fansboy..make me disgusted...
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ppl so happy to c dismantle speakers especially SG...hmm since im gonna get new speakers.who wants me to dismantle my SG a5???!!!!
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ppl so happy to c dismantle speakers especially SG...hmm since im gonna get new speakers.who wants me to dismantle my SG a5???!!!!
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dismantle it yourself and take pics of internals to post here tongue.gif
it's easy to do so... just unscrew it only smile.gif
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ppl so happy to c dismantle speakers especially SG...hmm since im gonna get new speakers.who wants me to dismantle my SG a5???!!!!
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erm tats wt i said.who wants ME to dismantle my SG A5?? hehe. sayang la.working fine hope i dun rip it too much cz im gona give it to somebody as its still usable jz tat sux. cant wait for my new speakers!!!!
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erm tats wt i said.who wants ME to dismantle my SG A5?? hehe. sayang la.working fine hope i dun rip it too much cz im gona give it to somebody as its still usable jz tat sux. cant wait for my new speakers!!!!
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Just now, I bought a Sonic Gear Enzo 600. I reached home and I unpacked, the wired controller came with it was broken but I managed to fixed it with some tape. I connected everything and I listened. I like the bass as it was very strong. Then I noticed something, the left and right channels are weird and I proceeded to listen to it and I noticed that the left speaker was softer than the right speaker. Now I contacted SonicGear and requested a RMA or maybe repair the speaker as it was still under warranty and now I am awaiting a reply from SonicGear..
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what's an Atmel microcontroller doing inside a 2.1 speaker set?Ā  shocking.gif
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that 1 must be for control system like volume adjustment.. or display digit..

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hey all, how is it going??

i have one more 2.1 speaker from Sony to show you. it's a VAIO VGP-SP100. specification says total power 3.6W but it sounds pretty loud and clear for something that is USB powered. external power supply is also available with greater power rating. some china drivers with pretty neat PCB. what's interesting is how they design the bass reflex port.


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i have one more 2.1 speaker from Sony to show you. it's a VAIO VGP-SP100. specification says total power 3.6W but it sounds pretty loud and clear for something that is USB powered. external power supply is also available with greater power rating. some china drivers with pretty neat PCB.
No biggie. I've tried pumping a 2W+2W DIY mini-amplifier into a pair of 20WRMS+20WRMS speakers before, and they do sound loud. All depends on the speakers efficiency (dB/W) and speaker enclosure/box (especially bigger size ones). Considering that the USB port can supply up to 2.5W (standard is 5V @ 500mA), its possible to push at least 1W+ per speaker. Most of the time lots of people are used to listening tiny/weak sounding USB speakers with low wattage drivers and small size enclosure/boxes. hmm.gif

QUOTE(nismo91 @ May 6 2012, 08:19 PM)
what's interesting is how they design the bass reflex port.
Talk about "pipes", methinks its tuned for certain low frequencies (somewhat like a "trumpeteer"). wink.gif

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wow, if 2W amplifiers can drive 20W speakers easily that speaker is very efficient. sure the pipe is probably tuned for certain bass frequencies. quite surprised they even bother to put it. some other USB speakers are simply sealed.
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QUOTE(nismo91 @ May 7 2012, 12:29 PM)
wow, if 2W amplifiers can drive 20W speakers easily that speaker is very efficient. sure the pipe is probably tuned for certain bass frequencies. quite surprised they even bother to put it.
Yups, kudos to the designer who spent time on it. Anyway it was long ago playing around with some power amplifier I.Cs such as LM1877 as well as the common TEA2025 and TDA1517 on old soundcards. icon_idea.gif

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some other USB speakers are simply sealed.
That makes the speakers unable to "breathe" and sound hollow. Also some of those el-cheapo USB speakers were found using headphone amplifier I.Cs such as LM386. icon_rolleyes.gif

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lol i saw LM386 quite often used by people who want to power their amplifier with batteries. i'd pretty much wanna built one of those too. if possible powered by usb port. these days portable usb chargers are pretty cheap and widely available.
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lol i saw LM386 quite often used by people who want to power their amplifier with batteries. i'd pretty much wanna built one of those too. if possible powered by usb port. these days portable usb chargers are pretty cheap and widely available.
That LM386 can be run from +5V power supply easily (you can check its datasheet). Coincidentally the USB port has a +5V power supply rail. This I.C is widely available (very common part). wink.gif

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Can we complain this to Sonic Gear Support unit or is there a place for us buyer to make complains??
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Can we complain this to Sonic Gear Support unit or is there a place for us buyer to make complains??
Don't think you can do much or make a complaint that they would entertain. Have you bought these speakers? unsure.gif

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Don't think you can do much or make a complaint that they would entertain. Have you bought these speakers? unsure.gif
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ehich one is better bro shocking.gif
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they have read the complains and they are working on it... (hopefully)
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I need to replace the speakers from an old yamaha YST SW-100. Anyone know where i can start? speaker model is JA 1815, 7". The Edge foam is gone/disintegrated. thx
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I need to replace the speakers from an old yamaha YST SW-100. Anyone know where i can start? speaker model is JA 1815, 7". The Edge foam is gone/disintegrated. thx
You may want to create a new topic/thread on this subject. wink.gif Anyway, did you mean the speaker looks something like this... unsure.gif

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Yeah. Looks like that. Havent had the time to go to audio shops to ask for new and repair prices. Electronics board is still good.just the speakers kong
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Hey guys...just bought a pair of SonicGears Morro 250xb...yeah yeah, i know the bad rep with Sonic Gears...but i am only looking for a pair of cheap speakers for my kid's pc....RM49. Not too many options at this price....and i don't want USB speakers coz my Kids's pc usb port has so many things already....usb wifi, logitech unifying, bluetooth etc. Furthermore, i think USB powered cheap speakers won't be loud, at least this runs on external power.

Maybe later see if can dismantle or not and take some photos and make a small review tomorrow or later.
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heloo just want asking how about quality Sonic Gear Blue Thunder 1??? anyone??
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heloo just want asking how about quality Sonic Gear Blue Thunder 1??? anyone??
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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Apr 22 2013, 02:38 AM)
well me myself is a 10 years sonic gear blue thunder 1 user, it's so resistant and persistent used (and I almost no close power for this speakers LOL), but no spoil until now, sound is very good for low, mid, high, just 1 thing is you can't pump volume too big, but for normal room, it ady suffice enough to listen, music, movie, gaming, all just good, and it's CHEAP MYR 100+? rolleyes.gif
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Wwwooooowwwwwwww.... i used to have Evo5 Platinum, despite the ok sound quality I always am puzzled with the design decision they made (dummy lcd that does nothing and overheat overtime and malfunction within few weeks of usage) so I have always question about theit build quality... turns out my decision to stay away is a right decision....


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hey , guys , any comments on evo 9 ?
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No idea yet on the quality yet, unless someone reviews it and have a good look inside. So many functions in such low prices, something gotta give somewhere...  hmm.gif
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- Logitech Z-623 board... Opened it recently for capacitor upgrades.
- The glue used is pretty hardened even after I opened it after a few hours of blasting. Hope they don't cause trouble in the future.
- It wasn't egg-cooking hot in there, just luke-warm.
- All connections were secured with glue and wrapped with some kind of sponge to reduce vibrations.
- Capacitors are all TEAPO rated @ 105'C. They are average capacitors from my research, slightly better than other generic or low cost brands.
- Board designed / manufactured by Audera Acoustics. PCB seems to be of professional quality. Quite hard to desolder parts at times.
- Power supply, DSP, amp in a single board. Not sure how that does for audio though. I know nuts about electronics sweat.gif
- Separate I/O board.
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At first, i thought it is a real tweeter, when i go closer only i found out it actually a plastic mould.









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At first, i thought it is a real tweeter, when i go closer only i found out it actually a plastic mould.
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At first, i thought it is a real tweeter, when i go closer only i found out it actually a plastic mould.
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What you expect from cheap China speakers lol. Tipu until 99 profit mia

 

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