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TS7Eleven
post Jan 17 2010, 01:32 AM, updated 8y ago

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I got this thought after my 13 months old SG Evo3 spoilt.
I decided to dismantle it since it's not workingand no warranty. I discover some interesting stuff after i dismantle it and want to share with all the forumer.

SG Evo 3 spec - Sonic Gear Evo 3

For the spec, they claim that this speaker come with 2 x 1" Tweeter

Let me show u, how the tweeter like smile.gif

A tweeter without magnet , how it sound?????? I just realize, this is why i can't hear any sound fr the tweeter when i closed my ear to it. Damn..

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post Jan 17 2010, 01:34 AM

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Reserved for the Evo 3 PCB part

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post Jan 17 2010, 01:36 AM

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I will dismantle my Altec, Edifier and Eacan speaker soon.
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post Jan 17 2010, 02:34 AM

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Bro Pcwork,

No, confirm not infact driver, it's a fake tweeter - a plastic and a metal mad.gif
see the pic below u will know, i think the evo3, 5 and 7 also using the same fake tweeter



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post Jan 17 2010, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 17 2010, 04:32 PM)
i oso keep thinking. if it is fake tweeter. why they so borther to solder cable on it. it waste 2 wire and worker time too.
could it be a peizo tweeter covered by plastic infront to mimic normal tweeter out look?
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haha... the cable is to make it look like real, anyway i already dismantle the metal part of the tweeter so i will show u all the items i get after i dismantle it.
The SG boss will tell u " it look like peizo tweeter, made like peizo tweeter but it is not peizo tweeter" smile.gif
Beside that, i also find out the IC for the sub is TDA2030 which max RMS is 14w (Correct me if i m wrong), but the RMS stated by SG is 18w for the woofer. How the extra 4w RMS came fr???
I m think a way to take the picture of the IC, anyone can help?

Below a some pic of the dismantle tweeter, hope u guy like it smile.gif

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post Jan 17 2010, 11:23 PM

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I can confirm this is fake tweeter, because b4 i dismantle the speaker i can't even hear any sound fr the tweeter even i higher up the main volume and treble.

If u planning to visit the computer shop, u can try it out yourself.
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post Jan 17 2010, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Jan 17 2010, 11:39 PM)
that's because this type of tweeter needs a LOT of power to get as loud as a normal tweeter would need.
unless you are giving pure sine wave like most watches have in their beepers

trust me
they may sound nothing at all but they actually sounded extremely soft till it's inaudible anymore
Thanks for the info, not wonder i can't hear anything mad.gif

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post Jan 18 2010, 09:40 AM

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Just try it with an external amp, the tweeter will provide a very very low sound like bro coolkwc mention - 'mosquito' treble sound

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post Jan 19 2010, 10:22 PM

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Just took 2 more pic of the driver used by EVO3. this is definitely not a magnetically shielded spk because the magnet is expose and not cover.
Left is woofer driver and right is the sat driver.

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post Jan 19 2010, 10:36 PM

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See this, how cheapskate it is, by using 1 finger only i can remove the center plastic fr the woofer's front panel.
For your info, their IC even worst, cannot find any info from the net, all making by China factory. will post up the photo once is ready.


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post Jan 20 2010, 11:57 PM

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More pic coming
The SG is using alot of China make low quality IC, fr the pic u can see they use the F4558 and D2030A IC. I read some article from China wed, this IC's price is 1/5 of the original IC and this IC will produce very bad sound quality. You can't even find the data sheet on the web.
For the power pad, i'm not sure the power output cause no data provided.





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post Jan 22 2010, 12:52 PM

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Just snap the sat photo of my poor M1310, same price range with the evo3 and already used for 4 years.
U will notice that the component they used is value for your money if compare to my poor evo3. For the pic, u can see even the screw Edi is 10x better than evo.
I will take the sat comparison photo later when i free smile.gif stay tune.

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post Jan 22 2010, 02:34 PM

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Comparison between the evo3 mid and M1310 mid - same league.
The Edifier M1310 mid driver also 2x the weight of the evo3.
For the built quality - evo3 cannot compete to Edifier at all, i think alot of China brnad can do better than SG.
The evo3 mid got very funny sound when u press on it smile.gif i will take a video later




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post Jan 25 2010, 12:11 PM

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Just snap some photo of wooer driver of Edifier M1310 and Evo3.

The secret i discover between the 2 brands.

For Edifier, parts installed according to their spec.

1. 5" woofer driver with metal cover to avoid electromagnetic fields. Why spk driver need shielded. During playback, to generate sound, an electromagnet uses the current from the amplifier to pull the cone forward, and the permanent magnet pulls the cone back. Placing speaker close to a television or computer monitor can cause serious picture distortion. Speakers with very strong magnets can cause data loss when placed close to computer hard drives, magnetic disks, and magnetic tape.

For Evo3, low end parts installed and not shielded.

1. Component that cannot see from eye, usually SG will purposely installed very low end component - check the tweeter drive i post previously
2. Driver not shielded, save the metal cost
3. using 4" driver - even the Edifier at the same price using 5". That y, they don't mention the woofer driver size in their box.
4. using cheap material on their driver

Below are some pic of M1310 & Evo3 woofer driver photos, hope u guy like it








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post Jan 25 2010, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Jan 25 2010, 07:53 PM)
^ the sonic gear speakers are also magnetically shielded. notice the ferrite rings bonded on them. higher end edifier like S550 also use those kind of shielding.

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Bro Nismo91, thanks for the guide. notworthy.gif really learn alot of new things after open this topic and i just snap photo of M1310 PCB, hope u guy like it.

What i discover fr M1310 PCB r:

1. Use TDA2030 fr Italy for the woofer (search result fr Google)
2. Use 2 UTC2030A (Fr Taiwan) for sat (search result fr google)
3. Use CBB from Panasonic or Tan capacitors, not like the SG use polyester film capacitors to save cost, The polyester film capacitors generate large noise, and easily be damaged. Users usually will not notice this, but the service people will get over payed on this. (My engineer friend told me)
4. Using NE4558 from Texas compare to SG's F4558 - domestic made. (search reult fr Google)

Just wondering the the total RMS should be 18w + 2 x 14w= 46w, but Edifier just state their RMS is 30w only?? any brother can tell me this??






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post Jan 26 2010, 11:29 PM

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Just took the photo of M1310 power pack and the Evo3's plastic sat cover. The material look like recycle plastic, very low quality compare to Edifier Sat.
Can anyone tell whether the M1310 power pack enough to drive the M1310's 28w rms? does it give any fake info?






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post Jan 26 2010, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 26 2010, 11:33 PM)
is it 12V X 2 - 1.25A?
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post Jan 28 2010, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Jan 28 2010, 09:20 AM)
didnt have time to read through all the posts.

But to answer TS observation - that is a capacitance driver, not an inductance driver.

ITs not uncommon for tweeters to be based on capacitance as it can be more efficient.

If you really suspect its fake or not working, try to measure the capacitance at the tweeter leads with a multimeter.

The reason you may not hear anything from it doesnt have to be that its fake, several valid reasons below:
1. Your sound source (file or signal, including DAC/ Soundcard) does not have high freq. sound. YOu can check by trying a sine wave generator at 10kHz and above.
2. That tweeter / driver itself is not very efficient or sensitive.

I dont work for any multimedia speaker company.

In the end you get what you pay for.
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Bro lee82gx,

Thanks for the info.

Yes, SG did provide a tweeter, a so called mosquito repellent tweeter.

Why i said that, i did compare side by side with another tweeter - same sound, same volume level and same player and same amp, the result i get is the sound produce by SG tweeter is very low until i need to put the SG tweeter close to my ear only i can hear it but the another tweeter doesn't need that. why?

Another things i discover is beside the low quality tweeter, the component they used to built the EVO3 is damn low grade and this brand is trying to cheat the users, that y i decided to create this topic to disclose their trick. I just don't want other forumer make the same mistakes like me, attract by the look and fooled by them.

The reason i create this topic is for educate purpose, if u guy don't like it i can close this topic.

Some of the facts i give might not correct cause i m still new to the speaker.

U can also provide info if u discover any brand or any things giving fake info, this thread is not anti SG, this thread is for discover the brand giving fake info and deceive people.

I will take a video and show u guy about the comparison later when i free.


I dont work for any multimedia speaker company too, i used to be a fan of SG. tongue.gif



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post Jan 28 2010, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jan 28 2010, 06:26 PM)
the main purpose of this tread. is some how notify user to be aware of what they are buying.
and the fact that they use a cheapo tweeter is seriously cheating.

as for ur comment. i don't see some how it's helping, except you are trying to deviating the focus of this thread.
performing a capacitance measurement on tweeter? blind test? measuring the requencies respond of the speaker?  do you expect a normal user to perform all that before they buying one speaker? else anythings happen ,then the representative can blame back customer that they didn't perform the required test.. and it's their own fault of buying blindly? or they pay for what they get? because of cheap price giving an excuse of the company to use jerky parts??

then might as well ask all ppl to beware to eat outside.. paying RM 4.50 for mee goreng,, they shall have to leanr all ingredient that used in the mee goreng.. where it comes from. got halal or not.. and prepare to bring some poison detection kits so they can test the food got poison or not..
else they kena food poisoning. the tauke can always blame.. u shall know that RM 4.50 u pay for what u get..lol

i mean.. doing a blind test on a RM 150 multimedia speaker .. what kind of results you are going to obtain??? if their ear is so sensitive and they are so experience to do blind test. they don't even buy a multimedia speaker instead of a proper hifi. normal user just barely depend on the outlook, and the advertisement / spec published by the company.. no matter what kind of excuse given. they do play a fool with the spec.

as performing measurement to the frequencies respond of the speaker? i myself own a not bad entry level hifi that cost almost RM 20K currently. i don't even have a proper decible meter. because it's too damn expensive and i cannot afford a good one for use of one time only. if user get a cheap one to measure. the speaker company might still able to argue saying that the decible meter is not accurate.. no calibration ..measurement taken in user house which has bad acoustic properties.. like damping of high frequencies is too much.. not taking measurement in silence room.. WHAT EVER REASON oso can give..
and midrange that is good enough to cover higher frequencies? that's ridiculos that it will apper on a multimedia speaker.
a mid that is good enough to cover high frequencies anytime will cost RM 2K per PCS. take example of a compression tweeter. second hand of cheapest altec lansing (hifi, not multimedia) driver, anytime u throw out at RM 1.8K anytime ppl will grab it. do u think it will appear on a sonic gear that they cut cost so much even on the PCB? so far the cheapest mid that can cover high is used on AEGO M. and that's about RM 700 retail price.
in respond to the underlined parts of ur comment  : there's no point critics back the user that they are smarts or not.. so do you mean that 7Eleven who bought a sonic gear without test and performing measurement of frequencies respond is not smart?  .. user bought it. and found it's unfair. posted it in forum. i found there's nothings wrong. . anyway i believe customer who was dissapointed with it will learn a lesson them self. and be more careful the next time they purchase a speaker.

this thread is good. no matter what reason a sonic gear give...  they still using bad parts inside.
i personally found this tread is very good. while 7Eleven did a good job of comparing different brand speaker internal at the same price range.
this can be a very useful future reference for customer who don't have a chance of buying and ripping them off before knowing what they are buying.

keep up the good work 7Eleven...  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Bro PcWork,

Thanks for back me up.
For me, if the company really care about their brand they shud not do what Sonic Gear did mad.gif
This kind of company is really unethical and just think how to cheat customer and earn as much as they can.
A ethical company will use their time to think how to improve the quality, only company they OEM fr other factory got too much time to think how to cheat their company and squeeze their customer kaw kaw sad.gif

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post Jan 29 2010, 11:28 PM

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Pass by Pasar road today and went to 1 of the electronic shop to bought 1 RM5 tweeter for comparison
Test it in very quiet enviroment, otherwise i i can't hear the sound from SG tweeter at all. using M1310 amp to boost it at higher volume.

My RM5 tweeter from Pasar Road

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEjv0LN0ano


Sonic Gear Tweeter

Sonic Gear Tweeter

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