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post Jul 26 2011, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(w.j0102 @ Jul 26 2011, 06:30 PM)
I hope the small tweeter on the M3300SF is really working (it does, i felt some vibrations)
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Don't worry about that, it is real working tweeters there....
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post Jul 27 2011, 05:06 PM

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What about the quality of DA5000PRO? I just bought it ..and I also noticed DA5000 have 2 speakers in each satellite but somehow DA5000PRO changed to 1 speaker and 1 tweeter.


Here the pictures of components from techlabs
http://article.techlabs.by/print/100_7905.html
http://article.techlabs.by/full/100_1132.html

So how is the quality? and why changed from 2 speakers? I just want to know more ^^.
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post Jul 27 2011, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(chiangeg @ Jul 27 2011, 05:06 PM)
What about the quality of DA5000PRO? I just bought it ..and I also noticed DA5000 have 2 speakers in each satellite but somehow DA5000PRO changed to 1 speaker and 1 tweeter.
Here the pictures of components from techlabs
http://article.techlabs.by/print/100_7905.html
http://article.techlabs.by/full/100_1132.html

So how is the quality? and why changed from 2 speakers? I just want to know more ^^.
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DA5000pro is upgrade version of DA5000 and it change 1 of the mid range driver to tweeter.

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chiangeg
post Jul 27 2011, 05:35 PM

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But it would be nice if they maintained 2 mid range with tweeter..haha.


Atleast from the pictures I can see more components with combination of some bigger capacitors and bigger board compared to SonicGear. But I don't know how to judge the quality tongue.gif ...only some sifu here such as nismo and power911 or mr.edifier able to do it.

Well, one more question...most of the brand have amplifier inside the subwoofer, and there's hundreds or perhaps thousands of components ranged from small to big ones ..but what happens when one or few of them failed? With that many components soldered inside, the percentage of failure of any one of them is high..especially after more than a year.

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post Jul 27 2011, 06:32 PM

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well if one of them fail sometimes they are just in parallel, so it might still works but you can hear loss of power, or even crackles etc.

i did mentioned here before that i bought a used megaworks 550 in light faulty condition, that it pops every few seconds randomly. turns out the glue have corroded and shorts few small capacitors (lucky it's the small one) in the switching power supply board. after few cleanup it works perfectly again now... (pic is in this thread)

another problem with my speaker is the iFi, which one capacitor (responsible for the dock) fails and causes system to shutdown and pops itself. after replacement it works perfectly for 3 mths, then this time it doesn't shutdown, just pops. re-cap the whole board but still pops. lol i gave up and just send to technician.

actually, don't only judge the amplifier. but also the speaker driver. one can look very small and light, but actually produce better sound than the bigger one. not to mention some other added value such as speaker cabinet tuning. logitech have quite powerful subwoofer, but it quits around 35hz, which is a shame, just because it's not tuned to achieve lower bass.
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post Jul 27 2011, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(chiangeg @ Jul 27 2011, 05:35 PM)
But it would be nice if they maintained 2 mid range with tweeter..haha.
Atleast from the pictures I can see more components with combination of some bigger capacitors and bigger board compared to SonicGear. But I don't know how to judge the quality tongue.gif ...only some sifu here such as nismo and power911 or mr.edifier able to do it.

Well, one more question...most of the brand have amplifier inside the subwoofer, and there's hundreds or perhaps thousands of components ranged from small to big ones ..but what happens when one or few of them failed?  With that many components soldered inside, the percentage of failure of any one of them is high..especially after more than a year.
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dun call me sifu T_T
I just love sharp clean piercing trebles and I've only heard good trebles thru speakers with tweeters
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post Jul 27 2011, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(nismo91 @ Jul 27 2011, 07:32 PM)
well if one of them fail sometimes they are just in parallel, so it might still works but you can hear loss of power, or even crackles etc.

i did mentioned here before that i bought a used megaworks 550 in light faulty condition, that it pops every few seconds randomly. turns out the glue have corroded and shorts few small capacitors (lucky it's the small one) in the switching power supply board. after few cleanup it works perfectly again now... (pic is in this thread)

another problem with my speaker is the iFi, which one capacitor (responsible for the dock) fails and causes system to shutdown and pops itself. after replacement it works perfectly for 3 mths, then this time it doesn't shutdown, just pops. re-cap the whole board but still pops. lol i gave up and just send to technician.

actually, don't only judge the amplifier. but also the speaker driver. one can look very small and light, but actually produce better sound than the bigger one. not to mention some other added value such as speaker cabinet tuning. logitech have quite powerful subwoofer, but it quits around 35hz, which is a shame, just because it's not tuned to achieve lower bass.
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They have powerful subwoofer for Z5500 but like you said it is limited to go below 35hz. I always wanted to try logitech speaker but Z5500 is old tongue.gif ... but after I bought DA5000PRO ..then I only saw the new model from Logitech flag ship ..Z-906 5.1 ..the differences only around RM300.


QUOTE(power911 @ Jul 27 2011, 07:45 PM)
dun call me sifu T_T
I just love sharp clean piercing trebles and I've only heard good trebles thru speakers with tweeters
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Haha ok master power911 thumbup.gif

so how about the quality of the DA5000PRO's components inside the subwoofer? Just curious tongue.gif .. because I even bought Asus Xonar DX to compliment my DA5000PRO.

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post Jul 27 2011, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(chiangeg @ Jul 27 2011, 08:44 PM)
They have powerful subwoofer for Z5500 but like you said it is limited to go below 35hz. I always wanted to try logitech speaker but Z5500 is old tongue.gif ... but after I bought DA5000PRO ..then I only saw the new model from Logitech flag ship ..Z-906 5.1 ..the differences only around RM300.
Haha ok master power911  thumbup.gif

so how about the quality of the DA5000PRO's components inside the subwoofer? Just curious tongue.gif .. because I even bought Asus Xonar DX to compliment my DA5000PRO.
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the logitech subwoofer i mentioned is Z Cinema. it falls very sharp after 35hz. but i haven't tested in another location. with the ifi i can get 30hz in the same room, but i got clear 25hz after trying it in another location. im gonna try my megaworks later on, see how much deeper it can go. again, not all room can provide you with that feedback so it's pretty much useless if you got deep subwoofer but a non-supporting room acoustic.

anyway, this is what i can only find on DA5000Pro. not that bad.
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post Jul 27 2011, 11:16 PM

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Haha... not that bad means below average ..hope it won't fail fast. cry.gif

For the low frequency you mentioned, not only in z-cinema ..I remember some expert reviews Z-5500 and Z-906 as well and they mentioned the low freq are limited too.

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post Jul 28 2011, 12:36 AM

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dont worry i rarely see anyone mention their Edifier fails. Edifier have a good quality control, so just enjoy your speakers...

yeah the thing is logitech used subsonic filter to limit subwoofer not playing below 20hz. but between 20-35hz it already cant play due to the tuning frequency is too high. beside, logitech satellites are bad. im using z-cinema (so far i think it's the only one with midrange and tweeter for its 2.1) and still not satisfied with the satellites. cant imagine if i settle with their fullrange.
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post Jul 28 2011, 12:42 AM

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Even though DA5000PRO cost RM700..but is should be good enough tongue.gif ...I'm abit regret not getting high end 1k+ speaker. But I will enjoy DA5000PRO as much as possible until it spoils ..haha, atleast the bass is better than R501 ..the R501 bass couldn't punch well most of the time.
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post Jul 28 2011, 12:45 AM

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yeah well the R501 sub only 30W. beside is also not tuned low enough for you to enjoy boom boom. lol i used R501 before, and if you put the bass more than default it will become muddy. so have to rely on software to bring out the bass in R501. that's why i sort of upgraded to ADA885 at the moment. the rest of my collection is in hometown. laugh.gif
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post Jul 28 2011, 02:52 AM

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My friend used to have Altec Lansing MX5021 and the bass is damm awesome..I want to achieve that with 5.1 system. Btw his MX5021 is from the old batch (later on Altec Lansing decided to reduced the quality and the bass is not as good anymore) ...

Even with the foobar2000 I still couldn't get puchy bass from R501 and I'm using the highest realtek ALC889 (Gigabyte P67A-UD4-B3) with dolby 5.1 function enabled which I don't think it is decoding in real-time ..but being processed by low quality realtek software based. So I ordered Asus Xonar DX...hope to get better sound.

As your signature says, you using ALC883..and I think you are someone who appreciate sound quality a lot ^^, but you didn't use any sophisticated sound card/receiver.

So I think upgrading to Asus Xonar DX would not bring any significant sound quality increase (end up getting new DA5000PRO along the way). I'm just itchy to try it out with my speakers with something new because I never use anything dedicated such as Asus Xonar DX as the source of sound.

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QUOTE(chiangeg @ Jul 28 2011, 12:42 AM)
Even though DA5000PRO cost RM700..but is should be good enough tongue.gif ...I'm abit regret not getting high end 1k+ speaker. But I will enjoy DA5000PRO as much as possible until it spoils ..haha, atleast the bass is better than R501 ..the R501 bass couldn't punch well most of the time.
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You say that now, in time the upgrade itch will get you whistling.gif
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QUOTE(chiangeg @ Jul 28 2011, 02:52 AM)
My friend used to have Altec Lansing MX5021 and the bass is damm awesome..I want to achieve that with 5.1 system. Btw his MX5021 is from the old batch (later on Altec Lansing decided to reduced the quality and the bass is not as good anymore) ...

Even with the foobar2000 I still couldn't get puchy bass from R501 and I'm using the highest realtek ALC889 (Gigabyte P67A-UD4-B3) with dolby 5.1 function enabled which I don't think it is decoding in real-time ..but being processed by low quality realtek software based. So I ordered Asus Xonar DX...hope to get better sound.

As your signature says, you using ALC883..and I think you are someone who appreciate sound quality a lot ^^, but you didn't use any sophisticated sound card/receiver.

So I think upgrading to Asus Xonar DX would not bring any significant sound quality increase (end up getting new DA5000PRO along the way). I'm just itchy to try it out with my speakers with something new because I never use anything dedicated such as Asus Xonar DX as the source of sound.
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yeah, i am using poor realtek now. but i don't use realtek EQ, because it's so bad it would clip and distort. the reason i dont use soundcard is because i used to own low end X-Fi 5.1 USB and X-Fi XtremeAudio but when i use it on my desktop i got alot of problem with those. so i decided to sell everything and run onboard now. the X-fi definitely sound better, but since I only plug Z-Cinema to the desktop, there is no need for soundcard as well (Z-Cinema have its own). the iFi, being my best speaker are only plugged into iPod, because it has RF remote, so i can operate it from afar without even touching the ipod.

have to agree with R501 not enough punch even with foobar2000 eq. i dont rely on foobar eq but i only used it to bring certain boom in system with poor bass. if you like MX5021, you will probably like Logitech bass. MX5021 bass is good, but when compared with other bigger system it cannot really match. you should enjoy your DA5000Pro now. when time comes you can upgrade to bigger system or even a separate system (non-PC setup). also remember, try to place ur subwoofer in another room or corner, to check if you can get better bass. so you know the real potential of your speakers.
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build in Quality build in Quality build in Quality...that only in head edifier and AL fansboy..make me disgusted...
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QUOTE(Ezone89 @ Oct 1 2011, 12:07 AM)
build in Quality build in Quality build in Quality...that only in head edifier and AL fansboy..make me disgusted...
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cuz that's the only topic we can talk about here in this thread.
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ppl so happy to c dismantle speakers especially SG...hmm since im gonna get new speakers.who wants me to dismantle my SG a5???!!!!
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QUOTE(Arawin92 @ Mar 20 2012, 04:47 PM)
ppl so happy to c dismantle speakers especially SG...hmm since im gonna get new speakers.who wants me to dismantle my SG a5???!!!!
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lols XD
dismantle it yourself and take pics of internals to post here tongue.gif
it's easy to do so... just unscrew it only smile.gif

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