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cRazYee
post Feb 2 2010, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Feb 2 2010, 11:23 AM)
i was pointing out the fact being able to run opengl is nothing great. shitloads of games are in opengl up to 8 years ago at least and we all know how it looked like. and yea PS2 is almost a decade old as well

yea apple dont allow it. keep waiting. we are talking about A4 now, as it is, dont switch the topic. explain the 640x480 mp4 to me please? 1024x768 shares the same aspect ratio as well. why not play it at fullscreen 1024x768 if it is so powerful?
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1024 x 768 is XGA, ratio 4:3 ( i think you know that)
so if you gonna play HD (16:9) video, there is definitely black bar at top and bottom
some movies (quite alot) are in 21:9; so that's the full screen you cant get, without missing the content at both end.
if there are iMax then i would be different case
H.264 codec is more important here.
that's why movie are so great in iPad and ipods/iphone.


you still don't understand the meant of mobile os performance. OpenGL is never big deal now for computer OS, but it's quite for mobile OS.


Added on February 2, 2010, 7:41 pm
QUOTE(stringfellow @ Feb 2 2010, 11:30 AM)
Probably true, but what is stopping Apple from producing a Modbook version for themselves, and still have that "instant performance, instant boot up everything"?

Please don't get me wrong, for the A4+iPhone Os, that would be best, but there is an equally large number of people who are as interested on the portability of the tablet form, but with significantly more power than what's offered by the A4+iPhone OS combo.

I don't see people complaining about the thickness of the current Macbook Pro, and losing that keyboard in favor of a touch-based interface would make it even thinner than it is now. What is stopping this form factor/spec? You might say the touch-based UI is not yet in place in OSX but, then again, all this while, all your Macbooks were never a touchscreen anyway, why would Apple place a touch feature on a hardware that does not support it? Introduce the tablet, and in tandem, introduce the accompanying touchscreen UI that would complement that form factor.
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well disappointing to tell you, big, thick, heavy form factors were not first choice of apple
i think you got the idea wrong, how apple wanna position their 'ideal' products. They clearly introduce iPad in the sense of category between 2 great mobile platforms they have, not adding another model into mac platform.

in the Hierarchy of the product design, they would never place performance in the first place. Because it's clear that it is totally different category of product you are talking about. It's would be the case for future mac computer development but not for product carry 'i' in front of the name.

iPad could be a new category that aesthetic and unnecessary to ppl right now, as iphone os develop stronger, it could simply fit everyone's favour of simply task.


Added on February 2, 2010, 8:05 pm
QUOTE(happyfamily @ Feb 2 2010, 04:48 PM)
10 Reasons Why Apple iPad'sonna fail

And this is according to gadgetophilia. Whilst the dust settles on Apple's recently announced iPad, it seems the hype has died down and everyone has an opinion on Apple's latest creation. In short, there is nothing that deserved the hype and the device simply sucks if said politely. Here are some reasons why this device fails:

1. No Multitasking
Do you know that if you concentrate on only one thing at a time, you can do that more efficiently than otherwise. Apple has come out with its own way to teach us that old proverb. No multitasking on iPad. Come on Apple! We want to listen to music when browsing the net or we want to download some files while we are watching a video. Earlier I said that we have little or no use of multitasking on a mobile phone due to its limited screen size but this is certainly not true for a device that is trying to replace a full fledged laptop or netbook.

2. Uncomfortable Keyboard
This was quite obvious that the iPad would have a virtual keyboard because there is no space for an actual hardware keyboard. And those who have used virtual keyboard, know that typing even an e-mail on it may be a headache and if you are a blogger or just a professional who have to type for a few hours, this is simply not the device for you. From the pictures available on the net, if you thought that you can just put the device on the table and type on the virtual keyboard like a normal keyboard, soon you'll find it impossible as the device's back is not perfectly flat and it kind of wobbles when you put it on a flat surface. This makes the virtual keyboard more difficult to use. However, you can connect a Bluetooth keyboard to the device and continue typing comfortably but then I have to say that you can also add two more wheels to your existing two wheeler to ride it like a car!

3. No WebCam
Yesterday I posted that the device should at least have an WebCam that will allow us to conduct video chat over a high speed internet connection. But Apple, with their infinite wisdom has decided that they can allow VoIP calls over 3G. We are very very pleased that you have given us your kind privilege to use the service. Oh! Apple is so generous! A cheap $400 Asus Eee PC Netbook can do VoIP or Video Chat through its WebCam but those devices are cheap anyway and Apple is obviously the synonym of glamor.

4. No Flash Support
Even if the standard smartphones have the flash support built-in their browsers nowadays, neither iPhone nor the iPod has the Flash support. And now, iPad also comes without the Flash support. The lack of Flash support in those tiny display browsers were pardonable but in a device that is going to be competing with the full fledged netbooks/laptops, this is going mean a deal breaker for many. Even the casual internet users won't forgive those gaping holes in the webpage which were supposed to be making the website more colorful. And also, forget about streaming video on webpage!

5. Ugly Adapters
You need to connect any device to the iPad? You just need to have the adapter for that device. Oh! We are so glad that we can at least connect our devices to it! Thank you Apple for your generosity to us. History will remember this.

6. Go to Apple Store for Apps
iPad can only run apps from the Apple App Store. No other Apps shall be entertained. Period.

7. No HDMI
Want to watch those nice HD Videos in your big HDTV screen when your iPad screen seems too small? No there is no HDMI to view the HD videos you've just downloaded from iTunes. And it is a sin that you thought the Apple iPad would connect to some Samsung HDTV. You shouldn't expect that Apple will allow follow any standard interface. They'll rather create an interface of their own!

8. Battery
We carry a spare wheel with our car. The Car can go flat. I will then replace that with my spare wheel. But forget this simple things with Apple. Touch their battery and void the warranty. They list that the battery life will last for 10 hours but I doubt if it will run for any longer than six hours. This is too low especially if we keep in mind that some netbooks(=computers) are now able to reach the 10 hour mark.

9. MicroSIM
Did anyone know that such term existed before Apple declared it? Well, I guess not. The device is supposed to be unlocked and you can use any carrier with it but currently, the SIM is only available from AT&T. Therefore, don't expect to run it on any cheap T-Mobile plans because they don't have the SIM. Do you know any other carrier that uses this SIM? The answer is apparently, Ahem, No.

10. Too Big Bezel
Don't you also think that t - the Bezel is too big to be called a decent one?
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you got most of the point wrong

1. No Multitasking - Agree, for current state of OS, no multitasking is big pain.
2. Uncomfortable Keyboard - disagree, you never try once, never know how's the new multitouch keyboard gonna perform. Should be better compare to win 7 multitouch one. And it is tablet form, it would be totally stupid you put in physical keyboard in it. (but i have to keyboard dock is stupid, they can just enable to bluetooth keyboard to connect to iPad and use it)
3. No WebCam - up to date, we knew that the space for isight is there, could be due to OS limitation, apple dont wanna bring out the spec of front mount camera just yet. And they never deny camera in the front.
4. No Flash Support - it's could be fall, but in term business, it's good. Developer goldrush never torn apart. cuz most of the ppl need flash plug in for online gaming and movie purpose, this simply kill their apps business. And, apple never like flash, HTML 5 is the way for them.
5. Ugly Adapters - nothing i can say....
6. App is the best thing and main cores of why iphone os, you could have more apps than regular computers.
7. No HDMI - for god sake why you need this, i see no reason for it. If you wanna play HD contents in your samsung tv, get Apple tv, also download from itunes.
8. Battery, no removable is definitely no a issue, do you carry additional laptop battery in your begs? how frequent you buy additional battery for your lappie? 'some netbook could reach 10 hours" is that in real figure? how about some only can use for 2 hours? Plus, iPad is no meant to kill netbook, totally different category.
9. for this sim, so far o2 and another company in uk has this sim. that's not a big deal, cuz they can just introduce the sims later. plus, t-mobile (us) running different chip to At&T and other, (knowing that nexus one only works on edge for at&t, cuz they are different in hardware)
10. big bezel, so what? it still looks nice overall

This post has been edited by cRazYee: Feb 2 2010, 08:05 PM
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post Feb 2 2010, 11:05 PM

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Actually the adapter should be the same as the iPhone USB adapter
furthermore apple is good at developing adapter look at their MacBook adapters compared to notebook pc adapters also compared other phone with iPhone adapters I have no worries on adapters on iPad
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QUOTE(Voxe @ Feb 2 2010, 07:20 PM)
Ha, fyire! iPad might get a camera afterall...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/02/apple-i...pruder-edition/
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itouch has camera housing as well but.... u know...
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sigh... just checked if I order and have my friend bring it back this April...
a bit pricey for me.. sad.gif

USD499 + 9% tax = RM1850 or so...
USD599 + 9% tax = RM2230 or so...
USD699 + 9% tax = RM2600 or so...
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post Feb 3 2010, 10:19 AM

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ipad 2 better have usb port (dont care about rest; usb increase potential)
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1. I believe its based on the same architecture of the iPhone and most cellphones and PDAs... all of them can't multitask. I also believe that once its multi-tasking capable, it's gonna be hot... too hold to hold.

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10. The Bezel has to be that size if not you're hands and fingers gonna be pressin on the screen. If you hold a notebook, you can roughly see that you need an inch of grip space to comfortably and securely hold it.
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noob question..don't know if anyone asked this yet but why don't they include GPS in the iPad since it boasts a really good maps application?
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post Feb 3 2010, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 2 2010, 11:26 AM)
Of which pretty much defeats the multi orientation capabilities of the device already. Besides, ever thought of what happens when you need to fit more than 1 person into a video chat session on a screen with portrait orientation? squeeze squeeze squeeze (on the human side)
tried using the iPod nano with the camera? Sure, nobody would want to block the lens on purpose, but the form factor does cause this to happen a lot by accident to the point that it gets annoying.
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if a mobile phone's video call works just fine...why cant this? just make it permanent portrait mode since it is the best option. they are things that dont need multi orientation..imagine what the person on the other end will see if u keep flipping around.
about blocking the lens...if u are holding the sides and the camera is on top, how do u block it?

QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 2 2010, 07:26 PM)
1024 x 768 is XGA, ratio 4:3 ( i think you know that)
so if you gonna play HD (16:9) video, there is definitely black bar at top and bottom
some movies (quite alot) are in 21:9; so that's the full screen you cant get, without missing the content at both end.
if there are iMax then i would be different case
H.264 codec is more important here.
that's why movie are so great in iPad and ipods/iphone.
you still don't understand the meant of mobile os performance. OpenGL is never big deal now for computer OS, but it's quite for mobile OS.
to start things of, picking 4:3 ratio as display is not a wise choice as you have said, most movies are 16:9 and some 21:9

i know h264 is quite common today but what puzzles me is the mpeg4 playback at only 640x480. bear in mind here that from the beginning, im not trying to point out picture quality. instead, im talking about the processing limitation of the A4 which is something for us to ponder at.

the bottom line is, you are still getting a mobile device performance on a not so mobile product. when you put the price into context as well and weigh it against available products, it is an even larger turn off.

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i dont get why people are complaining about the bezel. if the screen is right til the edge, how to hold the thing without ur thumb interacting with what u're doing? unless u prefer a handle lah, which is much much much uglier ;p

same goes to HDMI. yes i really want hdmi on my MBP, but for something like an iPad i dont see any reason to want one. what i think would be neat is miniDP IN port, so it can act as 2nd monitor for my MBP. well i can dream hehe
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QUOTE(azxel @ Feb 3 2010, 10:21 AM)
1. I believe its based on the same architecture of the iPhone and most cellphones and PDAs... all of them can't multitask. I also believe that once its multi-tasking capable, it's gonna be hot... too hold to hold.

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1. iPhone is capable on multitask if you jailbreak.. this proof it is possible to implemented from start but wonder why apple didnt do it. Android, webOS and WinMo (ugh!) all capable to multitask out of the box.

the bezel cant be help to be in that size because how else to hold without accidently pressing the screen if there was no/thin bezel.


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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Feb 3 2010, 11:14 AM)
i dont get why people are complaining about the bezel. if the screen is right til the edge, how to hold the thing without ur thumb interacting with what u're doing? unless u prefer a handle lah, which is much much much uglier ;p

same goes to HDMI. yes i really want hdmi on my MBP, but for something like an iPad i dont see any reason to want one. what i think would be neat is miniDP IN port, so it can act as 2nd monitor for my MBP. well i can dream hehe
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I'm okay with bezel but it could be a little bit thinner. The thick bezel leaves a lot of negative space.
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QUOTE(azxel @ Feb 3 2010, 10:21 AM)
1. I believe its based on the same architecture of the iPhone and most cellphones and PDAs... all of them can't multitask. I also believe that once its multi-tasking capable, it's gonna be hot... too hold to hold.
But how come my iPhone can do two things at the same time...i.e. playing music plus browsing? GPS Apps running with music at the background?
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Feb 3 2010, 11:44 AM)
1. iPhone is capable on multitask if you jailbreak.. this proof it is possible to implemented from start but wonder why apple didnt do it. Android, webOS and WinMo (ugh!) all capable to multitask out of the box.

the bezel cant be help to be in that size because how else to hold without accidently pressing the screen if there was no/thin bezel.
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with Jailbreak lor...

God knows why Apple didn't allow this feature to be out in the first place.

QUOTE(Edoras @ Feb 3 2010, 12:53 PM)
But how come my iPhone can do two things at the same time...i.e. playing music plus browsing? GPS Apps running with music at the background?
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hmm.. really cannot play Music and browse at the same time? confirm?
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QUOTE(lin00b @ Feb 3 2010, 10:19 AM)
ipad 2 better have usb port (dont care about rest; usb increase potential)
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you can have usb by having a adaptor. I do not see a lot of potential here. Everything can be done over wireless network if you have a computer and network around.


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QUOTE(azxel @ Feb 3 2010, 12:58 PM)
with Jailbreak lor...

God knows why Apple didn't allow this feature to be out in the first place.

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Just imagine if Apple allow multitasking in iphone, we will have threads and threads of users complaining that their data has mysteriously disappear as apps are not closed properly. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Then people will condemn apple again.

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I think the spot where people were pointing out where the cam is, is probably ambient light sensors. No, not for you to put to your face and turn off the backlighting of the iPAd, but more of assessing the amount of light in your environment, and dim it or brighten it up as needed.

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QUOTE(azxel @ Feb 3 2010, 12:58 PM)
with Jailbreak lor...

God knows why Apple didn't allow this feature to be out in the first place.
hmm.. really cannot play Music and browse at the same time? confirm?
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I meant my iPhone 3GS can play music AND browsing at the same time... Do you consider that as Multitasking?

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I think some people doesn't really understant what is multitasking,
how about if someone in this thread is really good enough to explain about multitasking
and why the things so important until half of the world is riot now despite
absence of multitasking on iPad OS.
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QUOTE(jphlau @ Feb 3 2010, 01:19 PM)

Just imagine if Apple allow multitasking in iphone, we will have threads and threads of users complaining that their data has mysteriously disappear as apps are not closed properly.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

Then people will condemn apple again.
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if there's multitasking and somehow data mysteriously disappear then it's apple fault for coming out with cacat software. other mobile os can do it why not the mighty apple? what's their agenda really?
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HTML5 will not be able to replace Flash as the mainstream video distribution, not at least in the next 5 years. Flash will remain as dominance for quite sometime, so lets not look into the multitasking ability, just the lack of Flash alone is blocking off some market portion for this iPod Touch with larger screen
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QUOTE(jiidaineko @ Feb 3 2010, 10:51 AM)
if a mobile phone's video call works just fine...why cant this? just make it permanent portrait mode since it is the best option. they are things that dont need multi orientation..imagine what the person on the other end will see if u keep flipping around. 
about blocking the lens...if u are holding the sides and the camera is on top, how do u block it?
to start things of, picking 4:3 ratio as display is not a wise choice as you have said, most movies are 16:9 and some 21:9

i know h264 is quite common today but what puzzles me is the mpeg4 playback at only 640x480. bear in mind here that from the beginning, im not trying to point out picture quality. instead, im talking about the processing limitation of the A4 which is something for us to ponder at.

the bottom line is, you are still getting a mobile device performance on a not so mobile product. when you put the price into context as well and weigh it against available products, it is an even larger turn off.
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point me out 9.7" HD display (typical 16:9 or 21:9 display)
plus this device is not just going to serve the purpose of movie

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