I love to share Apple product experiences with my friends or other people,
but i dont understant that some people buy Apple things (expecially iPhone 3G/3GS) just driven by hype and show off to other people. But "they" dont really fell it software/ hardware. My statement is not point to anybody in this thread but some people around me that have a lot money to throw. And i do believe iPad will be purchase either Fanboys or not.

Come to think of it, in regards to the thick bezel and the lack of the camera:
- the thick bezel: well, if you're to think about it right, the device is pretty much too thick for you to hold at the edges like the iPhone. You need something to grip onto. And without that bezel, you'll end up with your gripping hand on the size of the screen which translates into a touch onto the screen itself.

- the lack of a front facing camera: I've been puzzling over this, then somebody actually made a good point on it. There's pretty much no up, down, left or right to this device. Up is whatever direction that is currently facing up as you rotate it around and so forth. Which plays hell when it comes to the mounting of a front facing camera. I guess at the end of the day, its a choice between the ability to rotate the screen and the camera (till somebody can fit a camera that autopans accordingly to the rotation)

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Added on February 1, 2010, 5:45 pmI buy those that I can write off as a work related expense

This post has been edited by fyire: Feb 1 2010, 05:45 PM

IMO, the lack of Flash will have a larger impact on the iPad than the iPhone and iPod Touch. The iPhone's lack of Flash was acceptable because very few want to browse the web on 3.5" device but the iPad was marketed as the best web browsing experience but it significantly lack the a large chunk of the internet in the form of Flash. What happens when teenage girls found out their favourite artist's site can't be viewed and they can't watch their friend's video on Facebook? Backlash.

This post has been edited by Voxe: Feb 1 2010, 06:34 PM

Bloody hell, no flash support? f**k me! This is something close to netbook, just like what the guy said up there, and it doesn't have flash? LOL! meaning I can't even watch videos that my friends tagged in facebook! And i also completely agree about the camera. Look at iPhone, man! it's so small, still it has camera. iPad, 10 inch big. It's 25 centimeters big and it doesn't even have a bloody camera? Oh, I expected more than that. Disappointed.

This post has been edited by mematron: Feb 1 2010, 07:49 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/entelli...he-ipad-launch/

This post has been edited by Edoras: Feb 1 2010, 07:59 PM

From the same guy,

Michael Gartenberg said in the above article...

Yeah, I'm just pointing out his hypocrisy.

Some people changed their opinion when they see the actual product...

This post has been edited by Edoras: Feb 1 2010, 09:40 PM

In regards to the camera, there's 2 ways the camera is to be placed:
- back: are you really gonna hold up a piece of equipment that big to snap a photo with?
- front: Like I mentioned earlier, there's no up down left or right that's fixed for this device. Up is whichever up that you rotate the device to. With that in mind, unless you can have a camera lens that can automatically detect faces or a group of faces and pans the camera lens accordingly, the device rotation will play hell with such a camera placement. Thus, its a choice between a front facing camera and the ability to rotate the device orientation as needed.

And in regards to flash, well, personally I hate flash. And I don't facebook either, so it doesn't effect me

edit: according to my GF who uses facebook for work purposes, the iPhone app for facebook actually makes a pretty good replacement for the web version. I guess that resolves the viewing of facebook videos problem?

This post has been edited by fyire: Feb 1 2010, 10:45 PM

I believe apple doesn't implemented camera for iPad at the moment coz steve already mention iPad is better doing some key task between iPhone & MacBook. But we can expect in future apple will be consider to build camera at front for iChat. I dont think camera at the back is important coz its look not comfortable when holding iPad to take picture, its like you holding pizza box...I dont think camera is the most important thing, what are most consumers want is iPad will be help a lot of users in many ways. But i agree at some people said about flash, its really annoying when you open website (heavy flash) on almost 10" screen.

Why are you guys being so apologetic for Apple's fault? The lack of camera is stupid. You haven't even use the iPad and you are already dismissing that it does not look comfortable or makes no sense.

To put it simply, when you've spent enough time puzzling over human computer interface related stuff, you'll will indeed know the issues. You don't really need to have the iPad in your hand either to understand the interface hell that it'll play when it comes to camera position when you rotate the screen. Just take a good look at your own camera at the top of your mac's screen. Rotate your mac 90 degrees, or 180 degrees, and see if the camera still have got your face in focus or not, and look at the holding position that you'll need to have to keep your face in focus. Try doing this with your notebook and see for yourself. Forget the 180 degree rotation, just try for the 90 degree.

I'm not being apologetic, I'm being realistic and I have given my reasoning on why I view it as such. And thus I prefer not to whine over something that is limited by technology at the moment either. I would rather spend my time looking at the various applications that I can think of for such a device. What I can say is that it does open new doors for me to pitch specialized applications to my clients. Seeing that none of what I've got in mind to build requires a camera, the lack of the camera right now doesn't bother me.

The Human Computer Interface constraints is the main reason why the full OS X is not stuffed into the iPad either, despite the iPad being capable of running the full OS. Its like when I first stuffed Linux into the 1st gen iPaq. While it was fun for a day or 2, I ended up asking myself after that, exactly how practical is it to have a linux command prompt on the iPaq.

This post has been edited by fyire: Feb 2 2010, 12:29 AM

Some apps on the iPad I read cannot change to landscape or portrait mode. The fact of the matter is that this device is aimed at the casual users and a camera for video conferencing would be of high value to the demographic target. Omitting it is simply puzzling since this device is meant to have the capability of a laptop but the simplicity of a phone.

I hardly use the iSight. But on the phone it's handy cause the size of the phone and the phone is always with me.

But on the iPad I don't think it's practical, imagine holding a huge pad while trying to photograph something. Neither I'm a fan of video chat. Having it is a plus, but I won't dig around for complaint just because it doesn't have one.

Here's a little snippet from the iPad Human Interface Guidelines document:

And out of curiosity, which are the apps that you've read that cannot change their orientation views? And besides, have you forgotten about where your hands and fingers will be at when you hold the device? on the bezel of course. And where can the camera be located at? On the bezel of course. I can already imagine the cries of: 'Arrgghh. my hands are blocking the camera... grr.. which direction should I be holding it in so I don't block it??'.

Furthermore, whatever makes you think that this is a device aimed at the casual users? The fact of the matter is that you're just making assumptions here. This is actually a device capable of quite a number of purposes, and of which there's plenty of developers right now puzzling over the HCI aspect of things in order to plan their own apps for it.

Yes, a camera will indeed be useful. But it won't kill not to have one right now, considering the current constaint to deal with. Like I said, if its a choice between the multi orientation capability or the cam, I'll go with the multi orientation capability.

Care to state the purposes that tech-savvy or professionals may find in the iPad? I'm genuinely curious because I really want to get this but I can't justify it.

Just don't buy it. Period.

First off my mind:
- data center technicians. Those who actually go into the DC itself, not those sitting in the aquarium watching the screen. A specialized app that hooks onto the various monitoring systems, which also allows them to acknowledge fault reports and then report when problems are resolved. useful enough in situations where there's no space to put their notebooks, and so they do not have to balance their notebooks on one hand while typing with the other. Applicable for normal data centers as well as for telco rooms
- financial data on the go. Among other uses, one client that I'm already talking to for this will find it useful for those sitting in the makeup artists chair before they go on air, to review the stuff that they'll need to talk about on TV. once again, useful so they do not have to balance their notebooks on one hand while typing with the other. gives a pretty cool effect too if they're to hold the tablet device while on TV instead of just sitting in front of the normal notebooks.
- people who need to move around quite a bit but need to review and approve video clips. this is something that I'm looking at customizing and integrating into Final Cut Server, for it to expose an interface that is accessible by a custom app on the iPad.

And these 3 are merely the pitches that I had been making last Friday, and the same ppl has already expressed interest as well.

The key here are the situations for use. When ppl need a larger screen than a phone, and they do not want to have to balance a notebook in one hand and type with the other.

Other general purpose use will be for perhaps photographers to show their portfolio in a 'cool' manner?

Such are just the tip of the iceberg. You just need to use your imagination a little bit more you know.

This post has been edited by fyire: Feb 2 2010, 01:38 AM

What I think about this product is

This Ipad is cool. Instead of keep develop Mac OS, they want to expand the IPHONE OS to more devices. From the video, it is clearly show that actually iphone os is very strong and interactive. It is just the limitation of iphone (screen size) to LIMIT all the creativity.

Look at bright side, it will gave the opportunities for APPLE to gather more Multi Touch Screen Experience from iPad user.

In future, it could also improve the iphone OS into stronger platform. So, Iphone users why complaints about iPad ?


p/s: my parents just need a device for online read news, email & ebook. They quite like the features of iPad & I am going to get for them.