ok bro but next week friday till sunday i will be at kliav fair. so please set a date and time on sunday bro ok. also my question below is true i need to set like this?


1.u mean at my avr set 80hz and then on my sub set 250hz (which is the highest for canton sub)

This post has been edited by squall_12: Jul 16 2010, 02:45 PM

Yes. That would help to not localize the sub. In ur case, ur sub is actually much closer to u than ur speakers and setting it any higher would increase chances of localizing the sub. This is for the AVR setting.

On ur sub, setting it to the highest is essentially turning off the crossover.

We can arrange when u come back.

ok bro thanks for advice and let arrange a time when i comes back.

Thanks

Paradigm DSP-3400 vs SVS PC12Plus

Ok. I have tested both sub side by side on the 14th July 2010 in my friend's house. My opinion on both sub is base on real life listening with only one calibration done on both the Paradigm DSP-3400 vs SVS PC12Plus i.e. setting the volume level to equal loudness using SPL meter. No room adjustment or calibration is done during the test. For the same SPL measured, my SVS volume level is set at half way at 12 while the DSP-3400 is set at only slightly above 10.

Listening material used:

1. Eagles Farewell Tour 1
2. Finding Nemo - Darla Taps Tank (1:18:16) & Whale Spouting (1:12:04) 20Hz
3. Kung fu Panda: Fight between Po and Tai-lung & Po escape
4. Transformers: Ironhide Sweep
5. Golden Compass during the Polar Bear fight & Airship entering city.
6. DTS Demo DVD - Omar Hakim - Listen Up

We tested by playing above with one sub and then replay it imediately with another sub so there are a lot of sub switching during the test.

For music, both subs gave very similar performance. Its good to hear that the Paradigm DSP-3400 is not boomy just like the SVS PC12-Plus and both produce clean and tight bass. It really very hard to tell any difference between the 2 subs.

For movies, most of the test materials I use really push the subs to its limit and both sub can handle what we throw at it. Most of the people present prefer the SVS more as its seems to give more kick than the Paradigm. However the Paradigm DSP-3400 is great sub too as it can handle all the above with room shaking bass too. It just feel that the SVS dig slightly lower(maybe) therefore giving the feeling of more punch.

Overall I highly recommend the Paradigm DSP-3400 for its price and its performance. The one we tested cost RM3800 vs the SVS PC12+ which retail for RM5400 in Malaysia. Without a side by side comparison, you can hardly tell any difference in performance from the 2 sub so for those budget concious people, please do check out the Paradigm DSP-3400. You won't be disappointed.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jul 17 2010, 06:19 PM

Good to hear that

'No room adjustment or calibration is done for the test' . Bro, does that means both subs are being put at different location and plug in w/o any calibration via avr?

Interesting review. Will go audit it end tis month or next month.

So it wasnt calibrated with the PBK? Vincent mentioned he can do it.

This post has been edited by dlyz: Jul 17 2010, 11:25 PM

Sub are put on the same location for the test. No calibration as in not relocating the sub to find its optimum location. The sub is place in a convenient location instead that is at the corner of the HT room.

What I did to make sure both subs are running at the same volume level by running a 40hz frequency sound and using my SPL meter to measure it, then adjusting the volume level of both sub to the same level. That way we know we have a similar volume on both sub for the listening test.

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Added on July 18, 2010, 8:49 amVincent was not there during the test.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jul 18 2010, 08:49 AM

thanx for the review!

Finally hooked up a PC13-Ultra to partner the resident PB13-Ultra yesterday. Result is not as what I hope for. There is a certain cancellation happening as well as sounds muddy .

Did the calibration via AS-EQ1 this morning. 1 input and 2 sub outputs. As usual, EQ1 will get the desired dB from one of the front channels. Then, set the sub A's gain level to match it and continue by Sub B. After that, it's measuring process. The initial subwoofers matching is important.

Sweep tone to the front first, followed by Sub A and then Sub B. After that both sub together. Then, continued to do the rest of position. This time the sweep tone for the sub only 1 time (since it is being 'integrated' at position 1) for the rest of the positions. AS-EQ1 can do up to 32 positions.

Once it was done, I have to do channel level check again to get 75dB across all channels. it's time for some movies' test scenes. Tested Ip Man 2, TS, DTG and DF & Friends. In ULF heavy scene such as DTG's restaurant fight, TS' 7 Eleven, Kung Fu Panda, TDK as well as DH4.0 .

In TS' 7 Eleven, the robot stomping the ground has so much weight and floor rumbling. The door was being pushed open. It happens again for Ip Man2, DTG and Kung Fu Panda.

My customers were with its sheer power. The atmosphere..... ambiance would be the ideal word, certainly up a notch. The bass is so crazy tight and powerful even at -12dB to -15dB. At my LP, I can feel that my shirt moved

I can imagine the impact.

BTW, checked out the PB-12NSD today. Really powerful that beast...Can only imagine the PB-13U. Lower and bigger.

Those elite audiophile uncles were also 'caught off guard' when I called them to come over and audition. They knew that I will set it up but never expected it to be so good. They are itching all over. It is indeed comforting to know that a single PB13-Ultra fares better than a renowned US subwoofer that has won many awards previously. They all agreed that the PB13-Ultra is indeed very good in performance and surprisingly clean (you would have know in ) Then again, SVS subs had won the Editors' Choice Award for 2008 and 2009. Hopefully, it will be a consecutive win for next year with its brand new SB subs.

The Wilson Audio uncle is definitely getting one

The PB12-NSD is powerful indeed. If I must quote, there isn't any sub RM4.5K sub in the market that can match its ability to dig to 20Hz. Not even a renowned US 15" ported sub or even the higher range sealed sub that cost abt RM5K can do this feat as both would have roll-off at about 30Hz or so. Do you notice how clean and well controlled the PB12-NSD is?

Yes its pretty clean. However, this one was calibrated about 4-5dB hot. There was very little boominess and it sounded good. The low end is definitely strong. It does not dig as deep (this one was not corner loaded) as the PB-13U I heard at ur place nor the Seatons but it is well controlled and very little overhang.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jul 18 2010, 11:15 PM

Good to hear that

Now, I am waiting for the SB subs to be here. No PB for the KLIAV since it is heavy to move around. Only PC12-Plus and PC13-Ultra along with the SB subs.

Luckily, immediate neighbour is Vismart. If it is other AV or Hi-Fi shop, the 13-Ultra's powerful ULF bass will surely intrude to the other room

On another note, I will discuss with Ron Stimpson when he is here. Probably I will arrange a special PB13-Ultra shipment in.

Bro Anfieldude, I should have let U test the whole scene where Tai Lung escaped from prison. The first time I played it I swear I got scared.

Next trip...BTW how does the display look now?

I didn't do any real testing yesterday, just watched Pitch Black but that title has all sorts of tint all over.
Maybe tonight I will test Kungfu Panda again, or do U have any title which would be a good one to try out?

bro, you running it 4-5dB hot? i'm only 2dB hot with my pb12-nsd; maybe try running hotter...

According to my Denon's Audassey, no. But according to Anfieldude's SPL meter, yes.

Bro, going to KLIAV?

Many bass nuts here On another note, most of us never get enough of it

Come to the show and feel the bass for yourself. We thought of doing a 'maximum spl' session during the show. Probably every 1.5hrs for a 15mins session. But, it won't be dual 13-Ultras to do the task as I am afraid our immediate neighbour will surely suffer

is the show this week? got some details to share?

btw, is the new SVS amp there as well?