Do a ABX blind test. I had done that I can tell you most likely after few rounds, everyone kind of give up and just enjoy the music and movie. The only thing that can really be differentiate is when we burn a original audiophile CD to CD-R. The burn copy does sound a bit different especially the vocal.

This post has been edited by pierreye: Aug 19 2010, 10:08 AM

Someone calling? No need to file police report. I'm here.

Anyway, I can loan you guys some monster cables, like HDMI, component, svideo.

No matter what kind of test you guys have, there will not be an ultimate decision, as it will still arguments on many things like equipment used, lightings, tv panel used, ear canals too much wax, eyes very tired, etc.

You will not get everybody to agree on 1 thing. Some see it, some don't.

I'm not going to continue this debate, as everybody is born different with different points and views.

I just highlighted and share my point of view about Monster cables, as many of customers gave very good remarks and stay loyal to it.

With or without me, go ahead and do the test and we'll see the results.

This post has been edited by DigitalTech: Aug 19 2010, 02:58 PM

i think your place should be perfect! .. but now we need to find the missing person.. i am getting worried abt him now

bro... he posted 6 minutes before u... seems he not missing la...

haha glad he is ok .. but he didnt answer the questions i asked.. and he is also not interested in our test:P i do trust pierreye's view and test... just thought digitaltech will prove us wrong since he kept saying the opposite .. avoiding the abx test makesme have alot of doubt abt the things he claims now..

Those are just your excuses. Secretly you're afraid of the outcome. Because if you're there and you can't also tell the difference then your whole case and credibility goes down the drain.

Hi i was just browsing by and come across you guys saying about bandwidth. From what i know bandwidth between devices is controlled by hardware. Not cables. If you are talking about bandwidths then i assume binary data 1 and 0. If the source can send 1000 kbps from source, of course the receiver should be able to cope with 1000 kbps. But i'm comparing CAT 5 LAN cables. The only time there would be bottleneck is if you have too many receiving units.

Now if digital signals sent from player to TV is just straight there. There should not be bandwidth problem. Unless the TV uses old or slow hardware to decipher to video/sound data.

In CAT 5 LAN cables, line quality is affected with length starting from 100M above. But HDMI cables are so short. Hardly more than 3 Metre.

My logic is purely on hardware and not much from cables. I was wondering why u guys talk about bandwidth? I do not think there is any relation of the cables to bandwidth of TV and player hardware.

If there are so many caveats to the to how much difference a person can see between the cables, then it is even more a reason why we don't need to waste our hard earned RM on overpriced cables.

simply put, if i was to pay such amounts for expensive HDMI cables, i should be able to see/hear the differences even if my ear canals are full of wax or my eyes are tired. afterall, thats why i pay more right?

but to chicken out with so many "disclaimers" and "assumptions" about what people may say, that shows a clear lack of confidence in your own products. So from making bold statements like "unjustifiable to use cheapo cables with PS3", now we get meek excuses like "lighting, tv panels, etc etc".

as far as i know, tests definitely have more than one person, with various opinions. thats why reviews often quote the various opinions from the attendees, and then allow the reader to make their own conclusions.

maybe DigitalTech should ask the product development team in Monster to start making Monster performance SATA cables, IDE cables, USB cables, DVI cables, Telephone cables etc. That would be fitting of a reputable cable company.

IMHO, for digital cables, if the source throws out 1010 and U get 1010 at the receiving end, that's all that matters. RM10 or RM1000 cables.

honestly i dont care abt how much they sell the cables.. it is their right.. but pls dont mislead buyers of what monoprice hdmi cant do and what miracles monster can do.. buying monster cable doesnt mean we are stupid or wasting money.. it might really last longer or more tahan lasak.. i have bought expensive wallets too.. but lets not mislead ppl that the rm50 note kept in a Gucci wallet can buy me more nasi lemak than a rm50 note kept in a Kikilala wallet

i like your comparison bro.. havent heard kikilala brand for a while...

Wow, you are predicting the outcome already. So no need to test la?

Anyway, if the outcome is no difference, then you guys have proof SimplayHD, THX, HDMI.org wrong.
You can appoint a lawyer to sue their claims and maybe make million of dollars out of it.

If the outcome is got difference, they you guys please go out there and buy branded quality cables immediately.

Seriously, either outcome arise, you guys won't do any of my suggestions.

You all just want to proof that cheap cable are equally good as expensive cable.
No matter what is the outcome, you guys will not buy branded cables anyway. It's just your personal selection and feelings.

If I'm afraid of the outcome, I will not offer my Monster cables for the testing.

You guys can still sabo me kaw kaw here if I'm wrong, right?

Here we go again.......

i am quite sure if the outcome shows branded hdmi improves performance , most ppl here will buy it .
we r here to share knowledge not to bash seller anyway.

monster cables are actually pretty good , read how gizmodo tested a few HDMI cable using professional tools
http://gizmodo.com/268788/the-truth-about-...-keep-upusually

I guess everyone has set their minds no matter what is the outcome...if its true there are difference...I'm sure its small only...but that wont make me buy a Monster Cable..90% of us wont......even if there are no difference, Monster owners beg to differ..

Verdict: Everyone wins

This post has been edited by azbro: Aug 19 2010, 07:53 PM

See, this shows you don't fully understand what you're selling. SimplayHD, THX, HDMI.org talk about technical standards. Most of which relate to bandwidth and length. They talk about quantitative measures, not qualitative ones.

So tell me, what is the relationship of bandwidth to image quality? Assuming two different cables with the same bandwidth capacity, how will that impact image quality?



Definitely! If the outcome is that premium cables got positive difference I would be quite keen to buy it. I'm serious.

This is where you're wrong. We're here to learn also. Don't you want to prove that expensive cable is better than cheap cable? If we are proven wrong then we also learn something new.

For example, in the past I didn't believe in branded power cords. I thought the standard one is good enough and there was no difference with the expensive cords. Then I borrowed some branded power cords and did some listening tests. Ok there was some difference so I bought the branded power cords.

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Added on August 19, 2010, 9:01 pmYou're right, bandwidth is related to hardware and the media format involved. How it relates to cables is that the cable must be able to carry the bandwidth between the hardware.

Like if you have gigabit hardware on both ends, you need a gigabit LAN cable for the hardware work to full capacity. If you use a cable only suitable for 100BASE-T then there will be limitations.

This post has been edited by jchong: Aug 19 2010, 10:23 PM

Am i wrong?

'not all hdmi cable are the same' .. the articles only say some can carry 1080p for a longer distance some cant.. but for those that pass the test lets say real world 8-bit 60Hz 1080p at certain length , both cable A and B will yield the same result right?

regarding your networking cable analogy, for gigabit network, networking cable with cat 5e or cat 6 must be used, cable with cat 5 certified spec is not suitable because cat 5 cable does not have enough number of twist in the wire pair

see how the construction of cable can affect data transfer speed

This post has been edited by neb: Aug 19 2010, 09:13 PM

Bro, no problemo. I am just curious to know what is the result. Better still, I shall ask my staff to do the switching of cables w/o telling me which one. I'll join the rest outside. This way, I can be a participant too



Only interested in HDMI coz HD is the 'in' thing now Boss, when can I get it?