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post Nov 28 2009, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(GothFebrio @ Nov 28 2009, 04:27 AM)
lol i just bought a monster hdmi cable for RM410 at senQ(senheng)....and found out that the cable price is 59.99USD in monster website...8 ft... i got ripped off? thats half the price i bought.
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If are interested in Monster cables, visit this website: Cable4HT.com

All Monster cables are selling at bargain price. 100% genuine Monster cables.

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post Dec 2 2009, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(wackojacko @ Dec 2 2009, 03:27 PM)
the fake one will cause ur tv to display amy winehouse nen nens.....

if you dont see it then u prob purchased an original set.....
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That's really a wackojacko joke. Hahaha!
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post Dec 2 2009, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(Dickong @ Dec 2 2009, 04:03 PM)
What the f are you talking about, dont simply spam if u have nothing else to do.


Added on December 2, 2009, 4:09 pm
You should be ashame of yourself for supporting the f joke instead u should be explaining how to differentiate the fake or original becos u are selling the monster cable yourself.
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Sorry bro. I didn't know you took that joke so seriously.

I think you should be able to tell the counterfeit cable by looking at it. It cannot be exactly the same.

I haven't seen the fake one before, so I can't tell you the difference.

To be safe, avoid buying M1000HD HDMI cables at very low prices.

Buy from a reputable sellers (like me wink.gif) to ensure you are getting the real thing.

All the Monster cables I'm selling are 100% genuine.

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post Dec 3 2009, 03:50 PM

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From what I understand, there are high grade counterfeit from China produce in masses mainly Monster M1000HD & M2000HD HDMI cables.

You can google it. I think they are supplying to those ebayers in the US.

Just to clarify my standing and credibility as a Monster cable online seller, I am getting the stocks from an authorised Monster reseller in the US. They are getting the stock directly from Monster Cable in California.

If you really still not convinced on the authenticity of the cables by the online sellers, then you can buy it directly from Monster cable website or Harvey Norman or SenQ. But the only drawback is that you will have to pay a hefty price for the same cable.

You have the options. Choose the one which you feel most comfortable.



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post Dec 3 2009, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(Scud_eSpade @ Dec 3 2009, 06:58 PM)
Im an engineer in HDMI industry.
Let me clarify something. Not all HDMI are the same. HDMI are operated at Ghz frequency. It affects the resistance and conductance of the copper. Even loose connector does affect the transmission. To pass the HDMI certification test, manufacturer have to pass the eye pattern/diagram that are determine by the spec.

There are 2 category of the test.
Category 1 - equivalent to 720p or 1080i (74.5 MHz)
Category 2 - more than enough for 1080p (340 MHz)

a cable vendor can designate a cable as Category 1 or 2, but cannot specify a lower bandwidth, and consequently, all HDMI 1.3 compliance testing is done at at least 720p/1080i frequencies.

In case of Category 1 certified cable:
For high qualty cable, u should be able to transmit data without any error on 1080p device.
For a low quality cable, u must be very lucky for it to works on 1080p (yes, it can work)
Why? because no test to certify that the cable able to operate at least 1080p. Those low quality cable might just barely pass the test. You can buy certified category 2 cable to be sure. But of coz, prepare to pay more

hope this help
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Finally, someone from the technical background revealed the facts.

I have been telling people about HDMI bandwidth speed and not merely 1 & 0.

Many people choose to believe that HDMI is digital, it's either you see the picture or you don't and all HDMI cables are the same.

The Monster Ultra 800 HDMI cable I'm selling is categorise under Advanced High Speed, achieving greater than 6.68 Gbps. It exceeds 1080p resolution requirements.

I stop explaining this fact, because people may think I am a hard selling my cables.

So, now I leave it for you to decide whether to believe cheap and expensive cables are the same or not.


Monster Cable HDMI Learning Center
http://www.monstercable.com/hdmi/advanced_for_hdmi.asp

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post Dec 4 2009, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Scud_eSpade @ Dec 4 2009, 09:22 AM)
what is all the fuss? u want to buy cheap HDMI buy la. I NEVER said it wont work. but there is no gurantee it will work. If it work, just enjoy ur saving
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I totally agree with you.

If you think you are happy with whatever cable you are using. Then be it.

It's a free world. Nobody pointing a gun at your head to buy any cable if you don't want to.

Monster or not Monster, if it's good enough for you, you are good.

The topic on cheap or expensive HDMI cable is an endless debate, because everybody has a different budget and expectation.

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post Dec 5 2009, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Amras of Nargothrond @ Dec 5 2009, 02:14 PM)
Actually I am using a HDMI cable which give as a gift when I bought my 37" LCD TV, and I haven't compare with Monster or any high speed HDMI cable.

Is not people happy or not happy with the HDMI cable. The issue here is I believe everybody in here also curious on why Monster cable or not pointing to any brand - HIGH PERFORMANCE HDMI CABLE selling so expensive, there must be something special on Monster cable, of course the special is something obvious and able to notice by any type of users, doesn't care whether the person is how sensitive to the video quality.

As one of the expert of this HIGH PERFORMANCE HDMI CABLE, should try to help us understand and give us real life example to show to us the fact. Whether a person willing to invest on these expensive HDMI cable is up to them, at least we know the pros and cons, why using high performance HDMI cable is recommended.

Personally I also want to know because I also don't believe there is a lot of different or any obvious different between expensive HDMI and budgeted HDMI cable.

If possible, don't show any technical link on High Speed/Performance HDMI cable, because not everybody understand what they talking about. Show some real fact.
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This is the video link where it shows that Monster cables are superior than other brands cable.

Monster Cable HDMI Learning Center
http://www.monstercable.com/hdmi/advanced_for_hdmi.asp
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post Jan 23 2010, 09:57 AM

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Something to read about HDMI cables:
http://www.digitaltips.org/video/HDMIcables.asp


What's the Difference: How to Know Which HDMI Cable to Choose?

Not all cables are created equal, and it's important to make sure the cable you're buying will meet your needs. If you're planning on connecting components that will require faster data transfer rates, you'll want the newest version of HDMI, and not the original HDMI 1.0.

It's important to get cables that are durable. They should be well-constructed with shielding to keep the signals clean. The longer the cable, the higher quality you will want to ensure that data isn't lost.

Even if you don't have an immediate need for high-definition,getting a well-constructed cable that exceeds current standards will future-proof your purchase - an important step in an industry that moves as fast as the consumer electronics industry does. If you're planning on installing cables in walls, you certainly don't want t rip out old cabling an start over.

HDMI cables deliver the true HD video and audio experience.

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post Mar 4 2010, 04:48 PM

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this logic always applies....."you pay peanuts, you get monkeys".

;p
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post Mar 22 2010, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Mar 22 2010, 09:18 AM)
Price varies with different Hi-fi & AV Shops...that's an issue too..
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It's similar to coke pricing. You buy coke from giant, it's RM1, you buy from hotel, you pay RM6.

So, do your survey around to get the best deal.
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post Aug 14 2010, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Aug 14 2010, 09:25 AM)
From HDMI.org website
http://www.hdmi.org/consumer/hdmi_advantage.aspx


Performance
• All-digital. No conversion or compression needed
• Enormous bandwidth capacity – up to 10.2 gigabits per second, more than twice the bandwidth needed to transmit a 1080p signal, such as the output from a Blu-ray Disc player.
◦ Better looking movies
◦ Faster gaming
◦ Richer audio
• Ready for future emerging technologies
◦ Higher resolutions, like 1440p or Quad HD
Faster refresh rates, like 120Hz
◦ Deep Color, taking the HDTV palette from millions to trillions of colors.


This is the most reliable source regarding HDMI (HDMI.org). It indeed proof that HDMI cables does have bandwidth and refresh rates.

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post Aug 14 2010, 12:08 PM

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http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/...ight_cable.aspx


Finding the Right Cable
With the release of the HDMI 1.4 specification, there are now five HDMI cable types to choose from, each designed to meet a particular performance standard. Here is an overview of the HDMI cable types, their capabilities, and how to tell them apart.

To help consumer and clarify cable types further, all HDMI cable products will now be required to be labeled by cable type. Look for these labels when choosing the HDMI cable that is best for your needs.

Standard HDMI Cable
The Standard HDMI cable is designed to handle most home applications, and is tested to reliably transmit 1080i or 720p video – the HD resolutions that are commonly associated with cable and satellite television, digital broadcast HD, and upscaling DVD players.

Standard HDMI Cable with Ethernet
This cable type offers the same baseline performance as the Standard HDMI Cable shown above (720p or 1080i video resolution), plus an additional, dedicated data channel, known as the HDMI Ethernet Channel, for device networking. HDMI Ethernet Channel functionality is only available if both linked devices are HDMI Ethernet Channel-enabled.

Automotive HDMI Cable
Designed for internal cabling of vehicles equipped with onboard HD video systems. Tested to a more robust performance standard, and capable of withstanding the unique stresses of the motoring environment such as vibration and temperature extremes.

High Speed HDMI Cable
The High Speed HDMI cable is designed and tested to handle video resolutions of 1080p and beyond, including advanced display technologies such as 4K, 3D, and Deep Color. If you are using any of these technologies, or if you are connecting your 1080p display to a 1080p content source, such as a Blu-ray Disc player, this is the recommended cable.

High Speed HDMI Cable with Ethernet
This cable type offers the same baseline performance as the High Speed HDMI Cable shown above (1080p video resolution and beyond), plus an additional, dedicated data channel, known as the HDMI Ethernet Channel, for device networking. HDMI Ethernet Channel functionality is only available if both linked devices are HDMI Ethernet Channel-enabled.




With that very obvious the cheap cables are categorised under 'Standard HDMI cable' and premium cables are under 'High Speed HDMI cable'.

So, you all judge yourself based on the information above whether all HDMI cable are the same?

Many expert or guru has their own opinions.
HDMI.org is the inventor of HDMI technologies.
With this fact, you don't have to refer to anybody else regarding this highly debatable topic.

HDMI indeed support bandwidth, speed and refresh rates.

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post Aug 14 2010, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Aug 14 2010, 12:23 PM)
It says in the article, and I think anyone reading knows this: the refresh rate is on the TV, not in the cable

In the hdmi.org page: what does it mean by "Ready for future emerging technologies"??
only 120Hz? there are some TVs with 240Hz does it mean there is a 120Hz HDMI cable that won't work with them?
Of course a cable had bandwidth & speed. But if you say it has refresh rates, then that's pure BS.

from your HDMI.org FAQ page:
Q. Do I need a different cable for a TVs that have the higher 120MHz refresh rate?
You do not need a different cable. The increased refresh rate is happening inside the TV so the cable itself is not required to carry additional bandwidth in this case.
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It seems like you rather believe the expert opinions than the inventor itself.

HDMI.org is not a profit organisation and they don't give opinions or cooked up facts.

It says 'faster refresh rate, like 120hz'. So it can be more than 120hz.



Q. What is the difference between a “Standard” HDMI cable and a “High-Speed” HDMI cable?
Recently, HDMI Licensing, LLC announced that cables would be tested as Standard or High-Speed cables.


• Standard (or “category 1”) HDMI cables have been tested to perform at speeds of 75Mhz or up to 2.25Gbps, which is the equivalent of a 720p/1080i signal.

• High Speed (or “category 2”) HDMI cables have been tested to perform at speeds of 340Mhz or up to 10.2Gbps, which is the highest bandwidth currently available over an HDMI cable and can successfully handle 1080p signals including those at increased color depths and/or increased refresh rates from the Source. High-Speed cables are also able to accommodate higher resolution displays, such as WQXGA cinema monitors (resolution of 2560 x 1600).

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post Aug 14 2010, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Aug 14 2010, 12:41 PM)
Actually it just it shows you don't really understand what is written there; that list means that HDMI is ready to support future technologies like higher resolutions and faster refresh rates. It does not mean that the cable itself has a refresh rate.
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Bro, a cable does not have electronic components.

Of course the cable itself does not have refresh rates.

It's just a pipeline to connect between 2 devices.

HDMI cable can support high speed, high bandwidth and high refesh rates if your devices support it.


Bottomline is, not all HDMI cables are the same even it's digital.

So for RM10 HDMI cable which you get from Tesco will not work as good as Monster, Audioquest, QED, or other premium cables.
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post Aug 14 2010, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Aug 14 2010, 12:53 PM)
So are you now agreeing with the article that 'HDMI cables online or in stores labeled “120 Hz,” “240Hz” and “480 Hz”' is bullshit?
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No. Premium cables also labelled highspeed and bandwidth like 10.2Gbps, 120hz refresh rates and deep colour too.

I don't see anything wrong with that. It just support that specs, if your devices has it.

It just that this cables has the capabilities to transfer all these signals.

I'm not saying all brands label are accurate.

I can only speak for Monster cables, as I'm trading it for a while now.

Monster cables do mention all the above accurately.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 14 2010, 02:17 PM)
As pointed out already, the main relevant spec is whether the HDMI cable is standard speed or high speed.
If the RM10 Tesco cable is standard speed and the premium branded cables are high speed then maybe you have a point. If there is a cheapo high speed HDMI cable, would you still say it "will not work as good as Monster, Audioquest, QED, or other premium cables."?

To me the thing about cheapo cables is whether you can trust the label. If it is labelled as "high speed" has it been certified or tested to be so? If it has been certified and tested to be high speed then there is no problem.
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Before this information disclosed, everybody believes that all HDMI are the same, it's either you get signal or not.

When you know the info from HDMI.org (the inventor of HDMI), you believe there's difference between HDMI, that is Standard speed and High Speed.

There's nothing wrong using a cheapo, standard HDMI cable. It's just that you can't achieve 1080p signal with that cable and obviously the quality and build of the cable is not that great.

Don't forget about interference signals if the cable build is not good. There's a lot of signal interference at the back of your TV.

Think about it, you invest in thousands in your LCD/Plasma TV and thousands in av receivers and speakers and invest only RM10 in HDMI cable.

The most unjustifiable is that PS3 gamers use cheapo HDMI cables for your PS3 console.

They buy PS3 is to play HD 1080p games, but only invest in cheap HDMI cables because of mislead information.
They are not getting the full potential of their PS3.

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post Aug 14 2010, 11:14 PM

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Even High speed category cable, there's also bandwidth rate like 4.95Gbps, 6.68Gbps or 10.2Gbps, etc. High speed is a general category. You need to know what bandwidth too.

I actually addressing more on the confusion on 'All HDMI are the same, it's digital, either you get the signal or not" topic.

Everybody is just following the same bandwagon, because of some 'experts' wrote some article based on his/her opinions.

If you look at the begining of this thread, everybody is very confident that all HDMI are the same and very proud of it they got a good deal. Most of them bought from Tesco.

Because I'm selling Monster cables, my words does not carry weight.

Most of the audiophiles here who believes and using high performance cables did not respond to this thread, and I know who are they. I'm sure you all know why.

Monoprice cables are considered cheap, as it's coming from China factories who mass produce HDMI cables. It has no difference with Tesco cables. Because they purchase in huge bulks, they can sell it even cheaper. High speed? Who certified that?

Monster cables has certifications from THX, DTS, Dolby, SimplayHD, ISF, ROHS compliant, etc.

These are renowed organisations which have stringent requirements before giving out these certifications.

So, now it's not the matter what cable is best, it's more like what you want to believe and trust. And that's personal.
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QUOTE(ADJ @ Aug 14 2010, 11:13 PM)
how does a hdmi cable unlock the full potential of ps3?
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PS3 produce 1080p resolution games. If you uses standard speed HDMI cable, you can only see 720p or 1080i resolutions.

Standard speed HDMI cable cannot cope with the high bandwidth coming from your PS3 to your TV to achieve 1080p.
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QUOTE(wuanzi @ Aug 14 2010, 11:26 PM)
May be I won't say "that's a pack of lie" - but quite close to it.  My cable is cheapo and standard, but for sure it gives me 1080p resolution.  I owned both fat and slim version of them and used the same cheapo cable to watch BD, all are 1080p reolution, after I gave them away I used the same cable on media player and denon BD player, all were of 1080p quality.  Anyway, not trying to ruin anyone's rice bowl but I have got to give the other side of the story if i think someone mislead people by giving false information.
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Please refer to this. That fact is not coming from me, but HDMI.org.


http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/...ight_cable.aspx

Finding the Right Cable
With the release of the HDMI 1.4 specification, there are now five HDMI cable types to choose from, each designed to meet a particular performance standard. Here is an overview of the HDMI cable types, their capabilities, and how to tell them apart.

To help consumer and clarify cable types further, all HDMI cable products will now be required to be labeled by cable type. Look for these labels when choosing the HDMI cable that is best for your needs.

Standard HDMI Cable
The Standard HDMI cable is designed to handle most home applications, and is tested to reliably transmit 1080i or 720p video – the HD resolutions that are commonly associated with cable and satellite television, digital broadcast HD, and upscaling DVD players.

High Speed HDMI Cable
The High Speed HDMI cable is designed and tested to handle video resolutions of 1080p and beyond, including advanced display technologies such as 4K, 3D, and Deep Color. If you are using any of these technologies, or if you are connecting your 1080p display to a 1080p content source, such as a Blu-ray Disc player, this is the recommended cable.


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post Aug 15 2010, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 15 2010, 07:38 AM)
Again, you are twisting the facts and confusing people.

U keep using inconsistent terminology hoping to argue that the normal cable most people are using is not good enough for 1080p. So let me ask you:

1. Do you know for certain that the 'normal' or 'cheapo' or 'regular' cables that most people use are standard speed only? Maybe these cables can fall into the high speed category?
2. Most people have already reported that their 'normal' or 'cheapo' or 'regular' cable can support 1080p. What does this imply?

I also asked you earlier if Monster HDMI cables are Cat 2 (High Speed) certified. U haven't answered me yet.
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SimplayLabs
http://www.simplaylabs.com/index.aspx

Simplay Labs is the Leader in HD Solutions delivering HD performance standards, testing services, development tools, technologies, and consulting services for manufacturers of CE and PC products.

Simplay HD Verified Products
http://www.simplaylabs.com/consumers/allpr...=4&cname=Cables

There's a list of Monster cables verified by SimplayLabs. It spells out the bandwidth and other specifications.

If this also you cannot trust, then please stick to brandless cables.



1. Do you know for certain that the 'normal' or 'cheapo' or 'regular' cables that most people use are standard speed only? Maybe these cables can fall into the high speed category?
You are also based on your own feelings and opinions judging that this cables are 1080p certified cables. Proof it. Who certified it?

2. Most people have already reported that their 'normal' or 'cheapo' or 'regular' cable can support 1080p. What does this imply?
Most people? how many people do you know and understand about video quality. If they see picture and the TV shows 1080p, they agreed.
I play DVD using HDMI, my TV also shows 1080p, so does it means it's really 1080p?


I also asked you earlier if Monster HDMI cables are Cat 2 (High Speed) certified. U haven't answered me yet.
Look at SimplayHD verified cables site. http://www.simplaylabs.com/consumers/allpr...=4&cname=Cables

With all the certifications by all this renowed organisations cannot convinced you, then I think that's not a problem on the facts, but more to your personal feelings about it.

Maybe many get ticks off by the price of this premium cables, but quality is quality, there's no 2 way about it.

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