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 HDMI Cable Quality?, Really make a diffrent?

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post Nov 23 2009, 05:15 PM

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over priced rip-off, that is why

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post Nov 23 2009, 05:18 PM

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eliminate the problem one by one, change to another cable or replace your ps3

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post Nov 23 2009, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(ionlim @ Nov 23 2009, 05:21 PM)
what cable u suggest?? izit wan buy a expensive o cheap cable??
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buy from ebay only 3 us bucks including postage, or borrow a cable from your friends, better yet from the shop that sell your ps3

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post Nov 24 2009, 12:37 AM

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here is an interesting piece of info regarding the hdmi cable straight from the horse's mouth:
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Q. What is the difference between a “Standard” HDMI cable and a “High-Speed” HDMI cable?

Recently, HDMI Licensing, LLC announced that cables would be tested as Standard or High-Speed cables.

    * Standard (or “category 1”) HDMI cables have been tested to perform at speeds of 75Mhz or up to 2.25Gbps, which is the equivalent of a 720p/1080i signal.
    * High Speed (or “category 2”) HDMI cables have been tested to perform at speeds of 340Mhz or up to 10.2Gbps, which is the highest bandwidth currently available over an HDMI cable and can successfully handle 1080p signals including those at increased color depths and/or increased refresh rates from the Source. High-Speed cables are also able to accommodate higher resolution displays, such as WQXGA cinema monitors (resolution of 2560 x 1600).


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post Nov 28 2009, 05:20 PM

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shocking.gif very expensive piece of copper wire! can buy one third of an oz of gold already

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post Nov 28 2009, 07:59 PM

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mine was clearly printed on the cable itself
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as for the differences between specs: read this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
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post Nov 28 2009, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(Dickong @ Nov 28 2009, 08:35 PM)
What if not written n how to know the different becos my hdmi cable is not stated n dont know what is my cable rating.
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benchmark it against v1.3 cable, if you fell like old cable is missing something, then don't use the old cable.
according to wiki page, even version 1.0 can support video up to 1920x1200p60

if you are interconnecting high end av-receiver/full HD panel/blue-ray player, then you would want to make sure you are using v1.3 cable.
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post Nov 29 2009, 02:01 PM

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gosh, should keep my $800 per ounce gold in my gold account cry.gif
back to the topic, just use the cheap cable

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post Dec 2 2009, 04:21 PM

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so, instead of using your HDTV to test, you may use these equipments  drool.gif  to test your hdmi cable.....
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post Dec 3 2009, 06:35 PM

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all HDMI cable should not have problem functioning at short cable length

but for longer cable, proper cable construction need to be observed, just like for example the networking cable cat 5 has more twist in the cable than cat 3 to reduce crosstalk between wire pair so that the operation frequency can reach 100MHz.
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post Dec 3 2009, 07:26 PM

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for those who are interested in HDMI cable contruction :
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24-28AWG shielded twisted pair, and twisted pair stranded with a master foil and braid shield
for higer bandwidth, we need to go optic-fibre

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post Dec 3 2009, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Dec 3 2009, 07:26 PM)
for those who are interested in HDMI cable contruction :
for higer bandwidth, we need to go optic-fibre
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avoid cable with 28awg copper wire, they are too fragile at the connection point with the socket
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post Dec 3 2009, 11:51 PM

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warning! for engineers only laugh.gif
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Actually capacitance is not the issue with TMDS signals through HDMI cables. If you study the telegraphers equations related to transmission lines the RC effect of a cable only is relevant at low frequencies - sub MHz. And the cable looks like a lumped element generally. Once you get up high enough in frequency the dominant effect is an LC, or travelling waves. The loss is due to skin effect, i.e. the signals at high frequency ride on a thinner and thinner layer of conductor as frequency increases essentially making the cable seem more resistive.

The skin effect loss in long HDMI cables is the dominant force that closes the eye diagram. Skin effect loss is directly related to the gauge of the wire. The larger the gauge the less the loss. Dielectric absorbtion also could contribute but that doesn't kick in until even higher frequencies than we have to worry about with HDMI. Also, the loss tangent of the insulation material in cables is pretty low.

The skin-effect loss starts to kick in once you are up in the MHz range. The loss increases relative to the square root of frequency. This is the dominant force for closing the eye diagram. But note that it not only slows the edges but also closes the eye in the vertical dimension as well. So you can end up with a very small eye opening (or none at all) at the end of a long cable.

But making a large gauge cable has its own issues - thick, heavy, lots of copper, stiff, and expensive.
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before you buy your next hdmi cable, read this article, written by an engineer laugh.gif
http://www.videsignline.com/196900944?printableArticle=true

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post Dec 4 2009, 01:04 AM

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kindergarten maths time:
50Gbyte = 400Gbit + framing bit overhead

at 1.65Gbps, it would take 4 minutes to do a complete transfer
but why do you want to watch a whole movie in 4 minutes? whistling.gif

by the way, the actual specs for HDMI 1.2 are:
Maximum signal bandwidth (MHz) 165
Maximum TMDS bandwidth (Gbit/s) 4.95
Maximum video bandwidth (Gbit/s) 3.96

so 4.95Gbps should be the correct spec, not 1.65Gbps

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post Dec 4 2009, 03:24 PM

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networking cable can be used for extended HDMI cable run, very interesting hmm.gif
http://www.digitalspy.com/forums/showthread.php?p=36686210

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post Dec 4 2009, 03:37 PM

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I have no idea, check out the description

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get the white paper on "hdmi over networking cable" for free, hot off the press, 2009 edition:
http://www.dplrating.org/dpl/article/using...tenders-go-long


alternative to hdmi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
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DisplayPort is currently royalty free, while the HDMI royalty is 4 cents per device and has an annual fee of $10,000 for high volume manufacturers.


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post Dec 5 2009, 04:35 PM

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from reading those technical rclxub.gif posts and papers, HDMI actually relied on decade old balanced line signalling technology, whereby it moves signal through 2 wire system, one wire carry non-inverted signal, the second wire carry inverted signal, the electronics would then cancel out noises at the other end of the cable.

if the cable can transfer signal through the cable without error, then this cable can consider of good quality, short cable length should sail through without problem, but for longer cable length a few problem will crop up. One is attenuation noise infusion. Consistent wire pair twist and intra-pair twist would take care of noise, copper wire thickness solve the signal attenuation, so there is no magic inside any HDMI cable.

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post Dec 5 2009, 05:31 PM

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I guess may be because cable construction is the same from v1.0 to v1.3 , and short length cable can function properly even at higher category 2 speed. problem will only surface at longer cable run

the HDMI version define machine function capability

HDMI categoty define cable speed capability

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post Dec 9 2009, 11:47 PM

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silver will form silver oxide in open air environment, not suitable for electrical contact, gold is the best

actually it is gold alloy, which consisted of for example: Au Ag Pd Ni In Sn

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post Dec 10 2009, 10:52 AM

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look ma, no wire! rclxm9.gif
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