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htkaki
post Nov 24 2009, 12:38 PM

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I have a lot of HDMI cables with me, ranging from Audioquest, Giraffee, Panasonic, Pioneer, well-built cap ayams and the other is Wireworld IIRC. Erm,... no major difference in PQ and AQ that I can really see and hear. Or shall I say that all are the same to my peasant sight and hearing blush.gif There is only 1 case that the cap ayam HDMI gave problem. Totally no sound and pic.

htkaki
post Nov 24 2009, 02:56 PM

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post Nov 25 2009, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(arremie @ Nov 24 2009, 11:19 PM)
bd60 using analog to play music cd sounded like crap. too bloody bright rclxub.gif
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Boss, you have your Marantz CD6003 to rely on tongue.gif

The normal BDP or DVDP usually do not fare well when plays CD.
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post Dec 4 2009, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Dec 4 2009, 09:27 AM)
No fuss. As you are the 1st real expert in the industry to voice you opinions here, I would like to know your opinion on cables at lengths shorter than 10ft.

I believe that people can buy any cable at any price, it their money and they can decide. I am only looking for data.

Also could you pls recommend a decently built cable that would work for most people.

Thanks
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Eager to know also smile.gif . I have too many HDMI cables with me that could probably have 'affected' my eyesight to determine which is better sweat.gif . I did pass some to ar188. For audio, I can safely say that no noticable difference between a non-branded well-built HDMI cable with Audioquest, Giraffe, Panasonic as well as Wireworld. Probably the branded cable aint expensive enough. No pun intended.
htkaki
post Apr 9 2010, 08:32 PM

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ouch......
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post Aug 15 2010, 03:44 PM

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Anyone kind enough to lend me their HDMI cables for testing? smile.gif It will be on a FHD LCD TV for video and a properly calibrated audio system for audio.
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post Aug 15 2010, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 15 2010, 05:27 PM)
Well, just want to ensure both sides of the story are told. smile.gif Then each person can decide what they want to buy.

Yeah, I'm all for doing a blind test. We can bring our HDMI cables and DigitalTech can bring some of his Monster cables. We can all be the test subjects, I'm curious to know too.
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I can offer my demo room for the blind test smile.gif


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nwdays nothing its free bro... rolleyes.gif wanna test oso must buy 1st... sweat.gif asking 4 favor oso must pay money nwdays... icon_idea.gif (happen 2 me once doh.gif )

i suggest u get da 'cheap2' hdmi cable from Tesco smile.gif


Bro, your position is different from mine tongue.gif I might get VDH for testing next week. Then, maybe XLO or Kimber. Just that I am keen on this Monster thingy

Previously, I have all kinds of HDMI cables for free. Pioneer FOC cable, Giraffe, Audioquest, Wireworld, Sharp FOC cable, Panasonic High-Speed and standard FOC cable, etc. I gave some of these to my buddies and reg customers at that time. I did test it out at that time. No perceivable difference in audio and visual. That gave me a impression that all are the same.

Until recently, itchy butt on the award winning HDMI cable. So take one to test and it is disappointing. I was literally surprised by it as my initial perception is no difference as usual. I mean how could a new gen HDMI cable (it claimed to be 1.4) loses out to a 1.3 HDMI cable that is more than 2 yrs old (tech only progresses and will not reverse).

I did post on my impression on another higher range HDMI cable from the same co that was brought by my cust for testing yday.

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yawn.gif

never ending...

Ya.... reminds me of the debate between SET Vs SS amp laugh.gif
htkaki
post Aug 19 2010, 09:48 AM

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I can always let you guys have the properly calibrated and set up room. Although it is not a high-end system, IMHO this mid-range system should be good enough to test it out as it is able to 'detect' any flaws in a BD recording.

Equipments :

1. Denon AVR-4310
2. Panasonic DMP-BD60
3. Dune Prime 3.0
4. Optoma HD65
5. Samsung 40B550
6. SVS 7150 7channel power amp
7. Onkyo NR1008
8. SVS M series loudspeakers : MBS-01 as front wide
9. SVS SCS-01(M) : Surround
10. Belden 1311A for surr and front wide
11. XLO HT6 speaker cable for front
12. Kimber 8PR for center
13. Power amp connected with Kimber Kable Hero, Timbre & PBJ
14. Subwoofers : SVS PB13-Ultra, SB13-Plus, PB12-Plus, SB12-NSD
15. Sub EQ : AS-EQ1

Speaking of which mostly award winning stuffs in a well controlled room.

Done Audyssey calibration and also SPL meter level checked for each channel.

I am very interested to find out more. I'll call the rest of audiophiles and HT gang.

We shall do in this way.

I'll connect the cable w/o telling what cable is being used (everyone have to wait outside). Then, all go in and audition.

Then, change to another cable, same process. We shall do this a few times and we shall see the end result.

Agree?

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post Aug 19 2010, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(terranova @ Aug 19 2010, 09:59 AM)
If I may add my 2 cents. With no disrespect to htkaki, you will need an impartial observer to witness and verify that cable #1 is brand X and cable #2 is brand Y. Also, a vote count sheet.

Waaa ... this one turning out like a general election leh! tongue.gif  Damn I wish I could be there.
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Bro, no problemo. I am just curious to know what is the result. Better still, I shall ask my staff to do the switching of cables w/o telling me which one. I'll join the rest outside. This way, I can be a participant too blush.gif


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Anyway, I can loan you guys some monster cables, like HDMI, component, svideo.

Only interested in HDMI coz HD is the 'in' thing now tongue.gif Boss, when can I get it? smile.gif
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post Aug 19 2010, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Aug 19 2010, 11:30 PM)
So, with all this talk abt Certification bodies, theories abt 1 and 0, bandwidth etc....so question is, when is the blindtest going to be held...our very own Lowyat HDMI shootout..  tongue.gif

Since monster cable is the benchmark, its only fair to compare with its highest performance of what it can do.

A length of 3 meter should be standard or more common than those ultra long ones.
If not the thread going around dunno how many circle oledi  laugh.gif
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I only have those cheapo cables and entry level boutique HDMI cable. Waiting for others to bring.

Sat and Sun would be good smile.gif No worry abt food since there are mamak restaurants as well as chinese restaurants in vicinity.
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post Aug 20 2010, 09:51 AM

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On qualitative ground, say if a OEM cable (Pioneer free cable, china mali punya) / non-branded cable can still transmit HD audio visual flawlessly, it's a 'pass' to me sweat.gif (peasant a bit cheapskate).

What I am eager to know is smile.gif :

1. Whether a good HDMI cable does justify the price against non-certified cable hmm.gif
- Sorry, I have too many HDMI cables from OEM, non-branded to branded. So far, still not 100% convinced sad.gif that it will bring a lot of improvement in qualitative term. Not so good experience when I tested a so-called v1.4 cable from a reputable brand (more famous than Monster for those HT hobbyists) that was being awarded 5 stars by a mag when it FAILED to outshine the cheapo Panasonic cable doh.gif .

2. What is the difference between High-Speed cable against Standard Cable for audio and visual
- I am eager to know the difference (qualitative) both in audio and visual for these cables WHEN watching a movie / concert BD.


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I think both Digitech and JChong have their point in the discussion.

What JChong ask is if uncertified cable meet the HDMI requirement on bandwidth, there should be no difference in picture quality which I agree.

Digitech argument is if the cable is uncertified, then there is no way end user will know whether it will work as good as certified cable. Again, the point here is customer is taking a risk. If he get a good batch of HDMI cable, then it should work as good as boutique brand cable. Another problem with cheap unknown cable is some cable is a mixture of iron and copper which is very thin. Not PURE COPPER. So when it's bend more than certain degree, it'll break the cable. I don't believe in mixing silver in copper wire will increase the video picture quality.

So can we agree that if both cable are certified, both should display the same picture quality as required by HDMI standard?

My take is if you throw in RM 1k for 3 ft HDMI cable and expect to see a difference, it must be placebo effect. But as long as you feel good touching a RM 1k cable, who cares? It is your money and as long as you are happy with your purchase, that's a money well spend.


I agree that cheap cables might not last long esp those generic type. The connectors will even come off if you pull too hard sweat.gif

I guess I am lucky thus far as no of it has failed.

So far, I really failed to see significant improvement by using expensive HDMI cable. So, still sticking with those cheap HDMI cables from Pioneer, Giraffe, Panasonic, and 'kikilala' HDMI blush.gif



htkaki
post Sep 19 2010, 11:14 AM

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Yes,agree with azbro. Keep it. You will never know when you need it. Comes in handy as spare.
htkaki
post Aug 11 2011, 02:32 PM

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Use your ps3 and the hdmi to connect to another display panel. If same problem, then you know what is the problem.
htkaki
post Feb 8 2012, 03:59 PM

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Mikeyz, the alternative brand :

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/hdmi-c.../hdmi-cable.htm
htkaki
post Feb 8 2012, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Feb 8 2012, 04:28 PM)
I am using Panasonic HDMI cable 10.2 Gbps
For me this cable is very good. ♥
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The white color HDMI cable?

If yes, it beats a WHF 5 star Award HDMI cable by miles. I have both before. It is so disappointing that it did not last 30mins in my system. Anyway, sold it off at a decent profit lah laugh.gif
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post Feb 21 2012, 09:14 AM

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Interesting. Please explain.
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post Feb 21 2012, 09:41 AM

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Mine from Monoprice. Very affordable for a high speed HDMI cable

 

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