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post Aug 15 2010, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 15 2010, 12:25 AM)
This is where you are incorrect. Some of these articles are not just based on opinion but are based on actual tests.
Let me ask you, do you know what are the specs or standards from these "THX, DTS, Dolby, SimplayHD, ISF, ROHS compliant, etc." insofar as it relates to HDMI performance? You are simply parroting what is on the label/packaging without really understanding if they have any real impact or not on HDMI performance. Like ROHS, do you know what it is all about? Let me enlighten you:
It's a content safety standard, nothing at all to do with HDMI performance.

The main relevant certification is the HDMI Compliance Test Specification. Do you know if some/all of the Monster HDMI cables have official Category 2 certification? I looked the Monster's website but could not find any thing about official Category 2 certification.
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wow jchong u really have a lot of time arguing with that salesman.. last time i provided links to support many cheaper cables that went thru the test and perform as good as what the salesman is selling, he also twist n turn trying to confuse newbies.. maybe we should borrow from some1 who has good monster cables and to a fair blind test.. maybe we are wrong all this while n he is right.. i am curious to know too..

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post Aug 16 2010, 02:31 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 15 2010, 11:19 PM)
I can offer my demo room for the blind test  smile.gif
Bro, your position is different from mine  tongue.gif  I might get VDH for testing next week. Then, maybe XLO or Kimber. Just that I am keen on this Monster thingy


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bro if u happen to get a few brands in the same week and if u do the blind A B C tests do let us know the result .. we are not so lucky to have so many cables to do the blind test
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post Aug 17 2010, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ Aug 14 2010, 07:25 PM)
Before this information disclosed, everybody believes that all HDMI are the same, it's either you get signal or not.

When you know the info from HDMI.org (the inventor of HDMI), you believe there's difference between HDMI, that is Standard speed and High Speed.

There's nothing wrong using a cheapo, standard HDMI cable. It's just that you can't achieve 1080p signal with that cable and obviously the quality and build of the cable is not that great.

Don't forget about interference signals if the cable build is not good. There's a lot of signal interference at the back of your TV.

Think about it, you invest in thousands in your LCD/Plasma TV and thousands in av receivers and speakers and invest only RM10 in HDMI cable.

The most unjustifiable is that PS3 gamers use cheapo HDMI cables for your PS3 console.

They buy PS3 is to play HD 1080p games, but only invest in cheap HDMI cables because of mislead information.
They are not getting the full potential of their PS3.
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hi digitaltech can i know from the test result http://www.audioholics.com/education/cable...testing-results , which test must be passed b4 we can get the FULL POTENTIAL of my ps3.. i am talking abt games n movies already in the market for my ps3 not future products.. honestly i am using blue jeans 2nd grade hdmi i think it is not belden, so i might consider your cable if u can let me know more abt your product .. i hope u can explain properly and not in a confusing fashion.. pls understand most ppl are not (at least i am not) agaisnt u but the way u confuse ppl just makes us ask more questions..

1)lets say we r watching a 2D bluray movie with monoprice $9.52 6' and monster 500hd 2m $69.95 that both pass the 1080p 12-bit DC
2.23 Gbit/s 6.49 Gbit/s* (third column on the chart) , can we see a diff in performance? (inteference aside, i will ask abt that later)

2)Is passing the test 1080p 12-bit DC 2.23 Gbit/s 6.49 Gbit/s* (third column on the chart) good enuf to get the FULL POTENTIAL of ps3

3) i am sure monster quality control is very good and great built quality, but in terms of short term performance in what way izt better than a 6' monoprice.. the signal interference that u mentioned can be seen with our naked eyes?

Bro digitech actually i think most of us just read abt articles n test done by the ppl overseas , it is not very fair to u since our opinions are only based on what we read, many of us havent even touched a monster hdmi cable, most of us have done our own shootout (blind test) between cheap hdmi cables like bluejeans n monoprice but havent done any shootout between our elcheapo hdmi cables with your monster cables.. r u interested in organising a hdmi blind test cable shootout. of course u have to take the blind test too

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post Aug 17 2010, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Synco @ Aug 17 2010, 01:56 PM)
full ps3 potential also need a good power cable
imagine u spend 1k+ on ps3 but rm5 power cable?
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of course if the shootout jadi then we will beg htkaki to loan a good power cable too

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post Aug 17 2010, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(ADJ @ Aug 17 2010, 02:47 PM)
maybe need furniture for full ps3 potential. you spend 1k+ on PS3 but you sit on the floor?
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i have a feeling some1 gonna suggest we need a daikin aircon and popcorn machine too:)
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post Aug 17 2010, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Aug 17 2010, 04:01 PM)
Daikin aircon a bit noisy when set the fan to full..sometimes, even disturb my sleeping.
The air vent like no so well designed.
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same as my panasonic can hear FOOooooOoooo sound ..
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post Aug 18 2010, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Aug 18 2010, 10:32 AM)
Hello darkness, my old friend,
I've come to talk with you again,
Because a vision softly creeping,
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within....

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sound of sailens.. really disappointed.. i thought finally we could solve this myth.. i was training hard for the blind test.. both eyes and ears, counting ants to train my eyes and listening to gossip from other tables in kopitiams..

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post Aug 19 2010, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Aug 19 2010, 12:11 AM)
didn't realize Popular mechanics did a comparo
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like i said we r only reading tests from overseas it's better if we do our blind test and see it for ourselves... but still no reply from digitaltech yet..heloooOoooo where r u
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post Aug 19 2010, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(faidzal1982 @ Aug 19 2010, 01:36 AM)
did u guys done the blind test yet? i have monster and tesco brand hdmi cables if u guys want to test... smile.gif
my eyes are lousy so cant really see the details differences.. need help from those who have better eyes and ears...
bro htkaki can help?
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nothing has been done yet coz no reply from digitaltech.. actually i am only interested if digitaltech is involved coz only with him involved i can be convinced as some ppl might say your monster cable is fake( yes there is alot of fakes out there) . or our eyes and ears are not sensitive enuf to pick up the diff between diff hdmi cables.. but with digitaltech involved then we can be easily be convinced since he is the expert in this field.. he can point our to us on the spot if we miss out on anything that he can see or hear that we cant... if even he cant see the diff then i think we should be arguing abt whether there is a diff between elcheapo monoprice and monster hdmi cables anymore... if he or us see or hear the diff then there wont be anymore arguments too as we can confidently give the answer to the ppl in doubt

of course u can do your own test for fun.. chances are there might be dispute saying u r using a fake monster cable.. or your test is not accurate or your speakers or tv is not up to par

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post Aug 19 2010, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Aug 19 2010, 08:28 AM)
what? no, you could loan your Monster HDMI for the shootout - he doesn't need to be there.... Come to think of it, we don't really need a biased observer

the idea is this: during the test, if the differences cannot be observed by normal viewers (who know what to look out for) then essentially there is no difference. If the difference can only be seen by bionic man, then let him spend the money on the expensive cables.
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bro if we do the test without him there will be dispute abt how the test was done, the equipment used bla bla bla.. i also wanna see the true potential squeezed out by monster cables that kenot be done by a 6' monoprice... it is better for him to be there .. so he can shut us up once and for all, increases his sales too .. by the way is he on holiday or something.. maybe we should file a police report abt this missing person .. helOOOooooOoooo where r u hmm.gif
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post Aug 19 2010, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 19 2010, 09:48 AM)
I can always let you guys have the properly calibrated and set up room. Although it is not a high-end system, IMHO this mid-range system should be good enough to test it out as it is able to 'detect' any flaws in a BD recording.

Equipments :

1. Denon AVR-4310
2. Panasonic DMP-BD60
3. Dune Prime 3.0
4. Optoma HD65
5. Samsung 40B550
6. SVS 7150 7channel power amp
7. Onkyo NR1008
8. SVS M series loudspeakers : MBS-01 as front wide
9. SVS SCS-01(M) : Surround
10. Belden 1311A for surr and front wide
11. XLO HT6 speaker cable for front
12. Kimber 8PR for center
13. Power amp connected with Kimber Kable Hero, Timbre & PBJ
14. Subwoofers : SVS PB13-Ultra, SB13-Plus, PB12-Plus, SB12-NSD
15. Sub EQ : AS-EQ1

Speaking of which mostly award winning stuffs in a well controlled room.

Done Audyssey calibration and also SPL meter level checked for each channel.

I am very interested to find out more. I'll call the rest of audiophiles and HT gang.

We shall do in this way.

I'll connect the cable w/o telling what cable is being used (everyone have to wait outside). Then, all go in and audition.

Then, change to another cable, same process. We shall do this a few times and we shall see the end result.

Agree?
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i think your place should be perfect! .. but now we need to find the missing person.. i am getting worried abt him now
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post Aug 19 2010, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(faidzal1982 @ Aug 19 2010, 02:03 PM)
bro... he posted 6 minutes before u... seems he not missing la...  tongue.gif
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haha glad he is ok .. but he didnt answer the questions i asked.. and he is also not interested in our test:P i do trust pierreye's view and test... just thought digitaltech will prove us wrong since he kept saying the opposite .. avoiding the abx test makesme have alot of doubt abt the things he claims now..

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post Aug 19 2010, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(ADJ @ Aug 19 2010, 04:27 PM)
If there are so many caveats to the to how much difference a person can see between the cables, then it is even more a reason why we don't need to waste our hard earned RM on overpriced cables.

simply put, if i was to pay such amounts for expensive HDMI cables, i should be able to see/hear the differences even if my ear canals are full of wax or my eyes are tired. afterall, thats why i pay more right?

but to chicken out with so many "disclaimers" and "assumptions" about what people may say, that shows a clear lack of confidence in your own products. So from making bold statements like "unjustifiable to use cheapo cables with PS3", now we get meek excuses like "lighting, tv panels, etc etc".

as far as i know, tests definitely have more than one person, with various opinions. thats why reviews often quote the various opinions from the attendees, and then allow the reader to make their own conclusions.

maybe DigitalTech should ask the product development team in Monster to start making Monster performance SATA cables, IDE cables, USB cables, DVI cables, Telephone cables etc. That would be fitting of a reputable cable company.  doh.gif
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honestly i dont care abt how much they sell the cables.. it is their right.. but pls dont mislead buyers of what monoprice hdmi cant do and what miracles monster can do.. buying monster cable doesnt mean we are stupid or wasting money.. it might really last longer or more tahan lasak.. i have bought expensive wallets too.. but lets not mislead ppl that the rm50 note kept in a Gucci wallet can buy me more nasi lemak than a rm50 note kept in a Kikilala wallet
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post Aug 19 2010, 09:06 PM

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Am i wrong?

'not all hdmi cable are the same' .. the articles only say some can carry 1080p for a longer distance some cant.. but for those that pass the test lets say real world 8-bit 60Hz 1080p at certain length , both cable A and B will yield the same result right?
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post Aug 20 2010, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ Aug 20 2010, 12:19 AM)
The problem with other cables, which in this case is the cheapo cables does not have the certification to begin with.

Then how can you be sure that they are running at that bandwidth and speed? or proof what they spelled?

They can't even confirm the specs for the cheapo cable, they already lost the battle.

In fact, some may cooked up the specs, maybe because they don't have the budget to get certified or they failed the certification.

We are talking about comparing with cheapo and expensive cable, remember?
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i agree some manufacturers can lie abt their spec.. bcoz there are no proper test done to prove their specs .. but lets say 6' monoprice hdmi tested here http://www.audioholics.com/education/cable...testing-results it should produce the same pic as a monster cable for current materials available in the market right.

i hope u wont throw more unuseful links that wont answer my question
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post Aug 21 2010, 11:28 AM

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Just for every1's info .. the equipment used for the test here posted here http://www.audioholics.com/education/cable...testing-results is actually from monster cable .. http://www.audioholics.com/education/cable...pment-procedure
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post Aug 21 2010, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Aug 21 2010, 12:45 PM)
Those equipments are pretty much the norm for industries...even my company uses mostly Kikusui products, some even custom made...of course price is rocket high for all the products.
You can use alternative cheapo instrumentation..but no one wants to gamble on the reliability or safety.
I think we had 31 (oops 32 now)  pages of this or what the internet says...what we want is a real Lowyat Blind Test to proof that is right...and seems like its not happening...

And this is not only about the audio, Video as well
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i think htkaki is going ahead with the blind test.. sorry htkaki after so much talking i couldnt join the test... unless i skip work.. but if the TAI CHI master (the 1 dat always avoid giving a straight answer) is joining the ABX test then i would skip work and let him shut me up and earn my cash ..
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post Aug 21 2010, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 21 2010, 05:12 PM)
would like to add one more...

5)ppl who sit on the chair facing the laptop/pc with popcorn watching 'drama' on this thread whistling.gif
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6)ppl like me who took part in the 'drama' blush.gif
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post Aug 25 2010, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Aug 24 2010, 12:03 PM)
htkaki, did the shootout happen?
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when was it supposed to happen

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