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OrenDUTt
post Aug 6 2010, 01:23 PM

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can anyone share lecture notes....?
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post Aug 17 2010, 01:32 AM

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The following comments were taken from the link below,

From (source): http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2008/06/pus...ton-defies.html

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Dr Amir Farid Isahak said...

Assalamualaikum Mahaguru58,

    I am keen to join the investigation of the truthfulness of the psychic surgeries done at Pusat Perubatan Keraton. I am a gynecological surgeon, and even though I am not a general surgeon, I have done enough surgeries over 30 years to know what to look for.

    I have also been exposed to many "supernatural" phenomena and "psychic" healings and surgeries, some of which I have written in my column in The Star ("Art of Qi/Art of Healing" in SundayStar Fit4Life), so I can approach this matter with an open mind.

  My initial impression after viewing the videos is that the "surgeries" are fake because:

    1) During the surgeries done on the abdomen, the abdominal wall layers are absent (skin, subcutaneous fat which is usually thick, rectus sheath/aponeurosis, etc). You have to know anatomy to understand this, that's why it is easy for non-medical people to be hoodwinked.

    2)in the videos, We never get to see the incision being done, something crucial to know what is being cut open

    3)in the video, Even "heart" surgery is done on the abdomen!

    4)the "blood" always looks pale and artificial. If you have done surgery you will know what fresh blood looks like. I admit that his method may involve little bleeding, but somehow all that "blood" in the videos doesn't look like blood.

    5) in the videos, I note that the drapes totally cover the operated area and there is no way to tell if the "surgery" is being done on something put on top of the patient's abdomen (under the drape) instead of him cutting open the patient's abdomen as we are made to believe. Therefore I am not surprised that there is no scar when the plaster was removed.


    I may have more comments to add later after viewing more videos.

    I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, not that I doubt the possibility of such surgery (with ALLAH's permission, anything is possible), but because what I see in the videos look fake (I may be wrong).

    Since there are reports of patients being cured as well as being conned by him (from your blog and comments on YouTube), I think it is important that we investigate this matter together.

    The videos may be genuine (no digital tricks), but the surgeries may be fake. It takes a surgeon to know if a surgery is real or not.

    Please arrange:

    1) for me to interview and get the medical reports of patients planned for surgery by him

    2)for me to watch the surgeries at close range, instead of just relying on videos

    3)for me to get the tissues or whatever removed so I can send to the laboratory for verification.

    4) we can also interview and get medical reports of his previous patients (medical reports to confirm that after surgery they were cured of their disease or tumour/growth/cancer).

    If he is not willing to abide by these conditions, then there is no way we can ascertain whether he is genuine or not.

    Since he has also been found guilty of cheating 15 years ago (although his appeal is pending), it is important that we are sure that we are not helping him cheat more people this way.

    On the other hand, if he is a genuine spiritual healer, then the people need to know that he can really help cure them of their health problems, since doctors still cannot cure many diseases.

    I await your response. Selamat berpuasa.

Dr Amir Farid Isahak


    Monday, 16 August, 2010



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MAHAGURU58 said...

Wa'alaikumsalam Dr. Amir.

    Thank you for sending in your comments as well on this subject matter.

    I more than welcome medical doctors like your dear self to co-investigate this serious issue.

    Just like everyone else, I too am quite concerned and wish to get to the bottom of this 'miracle healing'.

    I am quite busy with my work at the moment. I will contact Prof. Dato Dr Raden Johari Mansor after Aidil Fitri and try to get an appointment with him where I'd like you and probably this Cybersetan to be present. Other surgeons who would like to be present can contact me and give me their details.

    Lets do it after Raya, Insya Allah.



Any of you medical students/Doctors/Surgeons currently present in Malaysia would like to join?
Good Exposure for you guys~ (To Limeuu; Care to join?)

*P/S: For those who didn't get what the above post is for, do click my signature below and read through it. (Here is an additional link of interest: http://forum.malaysianmedicine.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2503)
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post Aug 17 2010, 08:28 AM

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would be an eye opening experience for some.......

but no, i would not bother to 'investigate' these claims.....

i know they are fake......... smile.gif
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post Aug 17 2010, 09:15 AM

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non-medical student can join a? biggrin.gif
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post Aug 17 2010, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Aug 17 2010, 01:32 AM)
The following comments were taken from the link below,

From (source): http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2008/06/pus...ton-defies.html
Any of you medical students/Doctors/Surgeons currently present in Malaysia would like to join?
Good Exposure for you guys~ (To Limeuu; Care to join?)

*P/S: For those who didn't get what the above post is for, do click my signature below and read through it. (Here is an additional link of interest: http://forum.malaysianmedicine.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2503)
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to make it more credible and proper, conduct it in a proper hospital setting. Not some chicken shed somewhere.
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post Aug 17 2010, 09:21 AM

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after going through the comments.. Cybersetan you really did gave him a hard time biggrin.gif

sometimes...there is just a fine line dividing faith...and blind faith.
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QUOTE(OrenDUTt @ Aug 6 2010, 01:23 PM)
can anyone share lecture notes....?
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what lecture note?
which uni u're in anyway?
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post Aug 20 2010, 03:11 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 17 2010, 09:16 AM)
to make it more credible and proper, conduct it in a proper hospital setting. Not some chicken shed somewhere.
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We shall see if this JOHARI MANSOR is even willing to meet with actual doctors/surgeons... A fraudster such as him will go down.
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post Sep 21 2010, 05:11 PM

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Hey guys, I'm gonna start my course in UNSW in feb 2011. Just wondering if there are any other ppl going there too. Nicer to know someone instead of going alone =O
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QUOTE(DoubleU @ Sep 21 2010, 10:11 PM)
Hey guys, I'm gonna start my course in UNSW in feb 2011. Just wondering if there are any other ppl going there too. Nicer to know someone instead of going alone =O
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Why AUS when you know about the medical student tsunami there?
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post Sep 21 2010, 09:23 PM

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lol cause i got rejected from UK, and besides, where else to go? KL? I rather go AUS. Cross the river when I arrive at the bridge.
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post Sep 21 2010, 09:33 PM

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what's wrong studying at KL?
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post Sep 21 2010, 09:52 PM

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cause 2 years in KL, then need move to another location... (IMU twinning course) I think i'll prefer to settle down in one location.
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UNSW is reputable. =) You might find your seniors here. If you're well supported financially, then go for it. Why OZ over KL? I've been through both, and IMHO, Aus is the winning side. The experience is really different. =) I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
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QUOTE(DoubleU @ Sep 21 2010, 09:23 PM)
lol cause i got rejected from UK, and besides, where else to go? KL? I rather go AUS. Cross the river when I arrive at the bridge.
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my advice. if u grads from aussie. try to serve there. at least until you have enough money to cover back your high study cost. then after got experience and money, you can come back to malaysia.

morally, people might said you don't want to serve own nation. yet, if you work here, you'll b paid shitty salary. therefore it is not worth the money you spend for studying.
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QUOTE(DoubleU @ Sep 21 2010, 09:23 PM)
lol cause i got rejected from UK, and besides, where else to go? KL? I rather go AUS. Cross the river when I arrive at the bridge.
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it is generally more difficult to enter oz med school than uk......in part due to the diminishing undergraduate places..........so it is surprising to get an offer from oz after rejection by uk...........

which may lead credence to an observed phenomena......foreign students with a-levels who apply in the mid year appear to have a better chance of getting a place in oz, compared to those who did sam/ausmat........in part because there is a bit of 'first come first served' principle for the international students places......and in part because oz cannot substratify aaa in a-levels....which is equivalent to anything from atar90 to 99.95......unsw would not look at any applicant with atar less than 97..........but will consider aaa, even if the equivalent is atar90 (or 99)............
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Another new medical college, this time in Alor Setar known as Insaniah University College.

Why Insaniah? Among others:

Memorising certain chapters of the Holy Quran

Emphasis on Islamic Medical knowledge and practices

Accredited with MMC, MOA & MOHE

Sponsorship from PTPTN, MARA and Islamic Development Bank

October 2010 intake (Limited Places)


I wonder how many other medical colleges are on the way?
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SPM 5B can enter already...... doh.gif
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QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 22 2010, 10:16 AM)
SPM 5B can enter already...... doh.gif
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because twinning prog. 2 years pre-clinical in malaysia an 3 years in yemen.

juz wondering how much they charge for the fee.
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QUOTE(tqeh @ Sep 21 2010, 08:55 PM)
Why AUS when you know about the medical student tsunami there?
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QUOTE(DoubleU @ Sep 21 2010, 09:23 PM)
lol cause i got rejected from UK, and besides, where else to go? KL? I rather go AUS. Cross the river when I arrive at the bridge.
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International students of Australian med schools might not get a job in Australia upon graduation, be prepared to take the risk if you sign up.

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"I have completed the same course as your local students and will graduate with an honours degree and an impressive resume, but this means nothing because I was not born here." - The Australian


And things will only get worse in the next 5 years.



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