no money better dun fall sick...

u won't know who's going to treat u in the gov hospital in the future..

it looks like a 99% risk to me in 5 years time, and they could only go to singapore then, no where else and even nz will be flooded by then.

This post has been edited by tqeh: Sep 22 2010, 06:32 PM

as if singapore wont be flooded

From what I heard, each med school in aus guarantees a spot for the grads, meaning they've allocated seats for them in the local hospital. At my place, we don't even have that system >_<

well its kinda weird cos in lecture today we learnt about the low doctor/10k in aussie, and now they say that doctors are gonna crowd the whole place up. I reckon there's a crowding of docs in the metropolitan areas like syd and melb, and no one wants to go to the rural communities.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/hospitals-b...90724-dw5z.html

have a look. This year many NSW's international grads din get a job.

This post has been edited by tqeh: Sep 22 2010, 09:29 PM

well, isn't that the case in malaysia as well? GH in KL, JB, Penang all full... but rural area still need doctors.

this is a very old news report from over a year ago.......

they have increased the number of intern places, so the 'oversupply' may not be so critical now.....you will likely get a job, but you will need to consider going interstate, and to regional hospitals for the jobs.....

however, i am not aware of any monash msia graduates getting internship in oz, so i think these students are somewhat unlucky, graduating as they did in the middle of a glut.....

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Added on September 22, 2010, 9:48 pmwe are talking about intern/houseman jobs, which are special gazetted positions in major hospitals, under supervision of senior doctors.....however, unlike oz, where these positions are fixed......in msian boleh style, it is not fixed in msia, and they will just absorb all graduating/returning doctors into the system.....so at one time, some hospitals have 200 housemans running around doing very little work.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 22 2010, 09:50 PM

Whats the point of being crowded with in bigger towns and cities where you will not be able to learn much. If there are better chances of learning in rural areas, then so be it.

But the gomen has got to make the move to send more of these senior specialists to the rural areas before putting the housemen there. I think increase allowances and incentives like better promotion prospects are some of the enticing factors.

you obviously do not have a working spouse, and school going children, or elderly dependant parents......

not to mention the attractions of big city lifestyle....

and of course, if you are a junior doctor, getting sent to a rural hospital means possible stagnation in post graduate training, sometimes forgotten....

and finally, there are no big nice private hospitals in remote areas to join later......

just back from gleneagles hotel kl..it was like a 5 star hotel..

http://www.amsa.org.au/news/amsa-media-internships

How about this? old news?

We have got to start somewhere, no? If everyone is only going to bother about their own selves, then dont complain about the overcrowding in the bigger general hospitals. We should not be stagnating the housemen in the rural areas, it has to be by way of rotation. The gomen should be transparent in such matters.

I know its difficult to get moving but inserting little clauses into the medical program application with a proviso that such national service is a MUST for all successful appllicants.

Surely, we can start at the "fringe" areas that are located nearer to the bigger towns and we move inwards from there.

everybody knows (or should know, especially intending students) this was going to be a problem as far back as 2008.....and the projected shortfall was initially in the hundreds.....

as this report says, the numbers of international students not getting an intern offer are few so far.....because the actual number of places have increased in most states.....

like i said, students will need to look interstate, and to regional centers, rather than hope to stay on in teaching hospitals or the capital cities.....

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Added on September 23, 2010, 6:33 pmthis 'national service' existed since the 60's......called the compulsory service......ie forced labour with the gov for 3 years after housemanship......

as to little clauses like that......even for people who received NO funding from the gov?.........i can understand that suggestion for scholarship students and ipta.......but even for those whose parents pay a fortune themselves......?

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Added on September 23, 2010, 6:35 pmyou just landed in bolehland is it?.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 23 2010, 06:35 PM

not likely in the near future. since they are going to have the 3rd medical school, a collaboration between NTU and Imperial in 2013. Cheers...

http://www.pmo.gov.sg/News/Transcripts/Pri...ical+school.htm

And with Khoo Peck Puat, Jurong General Hospital and a few more private hospitals coming up, their message is clear, they need more specialists and doctors.

This post has been edited by wgy589: Sep 23 2010, 06:50 PM

spore under trains doctors, and there is an estimated shortfall of 250 doctors a year......as the news report collaborated by the 200 overseas doctors they recruited this year....

however, with the increase in NUS intake, and once the 150 from NTU-Imperial come on stream maybe in the late 2010's, the need will narrow.....

but till then, there will be a good 8-10 years where spore will continue to absorb 200-300 new doctors from overseas (read uk/oz/nz), both sporeans studying there, or msians (including um/ukm).......

And of course the Duke-NUS people who will graduate next year.

This post has been edited by wgy589: Sep 23 2010, 06:52 PM

both strong engineering based higher institution education providers collaborating together to conduct a medical course?

things are getting more interesting...

There are still people who are willing to go to rural areas, but generally speaking not many, even the locals, want to do so due to limited specialities/training positions.

And no, unless you are a Victorian Resident, i.e. Australian citizen or PR, you are not guaranteed a job upon graduation (in Victoria that is, dunno about other states). We, the international temporary residents, are tier 2 candidates in terms of the matching process which means we are the "dan lain-lain" group. Good thing however is that in Victoria, securing a job is usually much easier compared to other places such as Queensland.

Acutally there are quite a few.
I too was initially surprised to find out that Monash M'sia graduates were accredited and recognised by Victorian Medical Board as a Victorian graduate instead of being grouped as a International Medical Graduate, but after learning the fact that the Monash M'sian syllabus is actually identical to the Australian one, it is indeed understandable and acceptable.

Wait till you see Mount Elizabeth in Singapore.
Right in the heart of Orchard Road... better than a 5 star hotel.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Sep 23 2010, 07:11 PM

haha, Imperial is also a top medical institution in the world. it's ranked 11th in thes Life Sciences and Medicine ranking.

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-...nce-biomedicine

and i agree with you, NTU has no experience in medical education, but Singapore MOE need the experience from a local university in managing a tertiary institution, and NTU turned out to be the best choice.

imperial has a very strong med school.........

you may not have heard of imperial med school.....

but you should have heard of st. mary's, charing cross, westminster, Royal Postgraduate Medical School and the National Heart and Lung Institute......