How come there are no more non Muslim student here in Egypt? I checked at mmc website that they we ave a Chinese graduate back in the 80's

really?
they learnt arabic??
hm....
u mean msia chinese or other chinese(prc,taiwan blabla..)??

hi guys, I am really interested in USMLE.
I searched the web but all I found is what is to be tested, what to expect, books audios

I wanna ask if anyone here has had experience with the Step 1 before? I am on my 2nd year now in Russia "do not bash me because I am not the black sheep lk the general consensus think of graduates here". Thing is, I asked my seniors here none have taken this exam so far...which is depressing since I cant ask for much info. Do I have to do the step 1 in Russia or can I do it in Malaysia? My guess is I have to apply under the university and proceedings are through the university..theres no private seats.

regarding china MBBS

please BARE in mind that SINGAPORE only recognises the Master of Medicine, which is in chinse medium,and takes 7/8 yearsm but not the MBBS english medium(5 years)

oh, din know that, thanks for the info. Any source to clarify?

http://www.smc.gov.sg/html/MungoBlobs/538/...lifications.pdf
This list should suffice

i Just read an article which was posted by a Malaysian doctor.

Docfiles (A Malaysian Tech-savvy Doctor who works in Penang and Blogs through his PDA Phone on the go) tells you what to expect as a Malaysian doctor might be like:

It tells you what to expect as a Malaysian doctor might be like:
"1. No life outside medicine; this includes dating, sports, clubbing, chores for your parents and visiting the toilet.
"2. Not to live with your parents. Move out ASAP as they will never understand the ludicrous working hours that u go through. Furthermore, chores are not suitable for u as to rule No. 1.
"3. Not to be married until completion of all 4 years of Govt Compulsory service as u will be transferred left and right to some of the most remote Govt clinics in Malaysia. Having wife and kids to follow you to your new working area may increase high level of stress on all parties. Furthermore, if your spouse is a Govt Doctor, he/she will also be transferred away from u and no matter what appeal is made, KKM will put up a deaf ear (unless u have big cables or of a certain skin color).
"4. If married, no to have children until u finish all 4 years of Govt Compulsory service, as to which u and your spouse will not have much time for your child/children or they end up not recognizing u and refer the Indonesian maid as their mother (change in language patterns commonly follow).
"5. To obtain life insurance once your govt service begins as there is not many claims for accidents during work. Don't be fooled, Doctoring in Malaysia is hazardous.
"6. Able to withstand 36 hours of non stop work and stress without mistakenly labeling Left for Right or uvula for vulva (or Volvo S40).
"7. To buy a car with complete safety features (like I'm doing) which includes multiple airbags, ABS, EBD, side-front-rear-top-parallel and diagonal impact bars and seat belts to ensure survivability if u are involved in an accident because your driving resembled a drunkard maniac after working in the hospital for 40 hrs non stop.
"8. Constant supply of coffee.
"9. Nicotine Patch as u will have the urge to start smoking due to overwhelming stress.
"10. Interest in watching medical sitcoms such as House MD, Scrubs, ER, Grays Anatomy and Chicago Hope to inspire u to continue your life as a doctor as the exciting things u see on TV does not resemble the real life of a Malaysian govt doctor.
"11. Not to have any pets or plants (not even cactuses) as u will have no time to feed or care for them and eventually all will end up in your mortuary.
"12. Able to endure the stench of your own sweat as to when 36 hours "on call" does not permit u time to bathe or freshen up.
"13. Able to carry on working without food or water over 15 hours. ( I was in OT for 16 hrs without food, water or bathroom breaks). If during fasting month, able to break your fast with “water for injection” as u had no time to buy food.
"14. Able to come to work with fever/cough/illness or physical disability (sprained ankle etc) as to which doctors do not deserve MCs. (My MO was on crutches during rounds)
"15. Able to stand scolding, destructive criticism, kiss ass behaviors, racial bias, finger pointing, scape goating, and in competency from your superiors.
"16. Able to withstand the jealousy when your friends call u up for some fun and ur stuck in the hospital during on call."
Unwanted Citizen, who labored in Sabah, wrote: "There are those who conquered medical school on a high note. They were all geared up to seize the hour and have even made up their minds to be a knowledgeable physician or a skilful surgeon or a non-bullshitting neurosurgeon. They hit ground zero after a few months upon realization that a doctor's job isn't as glamorous and as rewarding as they initially thought. Despite their vast knowledge or admirable surgical skills, many patients simply have conditions that will not respond to the most aggressive medical intervention. Disheartened and disillusioned over the apparent futility of their work, these well-meaning doctors end up with an empty fuel tank and bow out of clinical practice. They don't end up as bitter losers in life though. Most of them will eventually discover their true calling in life and find it more fulfilling than strutting around in a super hot lab coat and a stethoscope around their necks..."

this will change from now on.......from a shortage, most hospitals are now swamped with housemans, so much so, there is so little work and so few calls for them...........imagine having 8 housemans on call a night per dept, and only doing 5 calls a month.........

but works suffers.........when there are too many doctors, work often do NOT get done, as each is waiting for the next person to do the job.........

Hi everyone, I have this question about memorising in MBBS.

I know the information that awaits assimilation is endless during, but how does it work?
Are reasoning skills required or merely book-to-brain?

eg:In SPM Biology, students are given a table 'Causes of Deficiency of Vitamin A:-Night Blindness'
so in MBBS, are we taught regarding the mechanism behind this, and why CPR starts with this, then this.

I'm asking this because reasoning helps a big deal in memorising, and I could cope with other memorising in Bio and Chem, except the sort of charts(vitamin, lack of minerals in plants) because I dont know what's going on behind.

Thanks

This post has been edited by ShaneNg: Feb 15 2010, 08:10 PM

MBBS - is hell for memorizing TOnS and TONs of information, at times I feel like puking due to too much reading... (u know that feeling in the throat)

Here is an approach to remembering medical terminologies (Monty Python style):



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnvZpi3nbsc

you will certainly be taught on the mechanisms behind the facts, eg in physiology, pathophysiology and in diff specialties. However, you should go more to the wards/clinic/OT to see the how the knowledge in the books can be applied there. It helps alot in you memory and understanding.
and ultimately these are the skills/knowledge you need to survive as a doctor.

yes. malaysian chinese. now working as a doctor in hospital melaka. but it was back on 80's. medical study here is kinda hard you know. the lecturers want all the answer in essay examination to be exactly like the text book said. no other words. that means, total memory usage.

what kind of medical school is that........you would think one leaves that kind of rote learning behind in primary schools..........

Mansoura school of medicine, Egypt

This post has been edited by wajibtayang: Feb 17 2010, 01:51 AM

i think it the trend of medical teaching back in the 70'-80'. not that they just hafal and dont understand it, but that the standard of medical teaching back then, huhu.

got 1 very old iraqi prof who study in england during his medical student life, only set free time for prayers and eating, huhu . now if somebody study there sure travel the whole Europe

lucky now the trend has changed

im trying to suit myself though. weekdays study n memorize non stop. and on weekend living life!!! hahaha... but still need to bring my notes everywhere.

Truth from another doctor in Malaysia.

"Very upset. Worked so hard as houseman only got 76 for my 2007 SKT. Wanna leave this stupid country."

That was the SMS I received from my colleague Dr. Bee, medical officer of Kinbatangan on my back from Kota Marudu today.

I was driving at 80km/hr along the treacherous Kota Marudu-Kota Belud ‘highway’ then, but could not help but feel angry over the news.

Dr. Bee like myself, graduated from UM and assumed housemanship in the state of Sabah by choice.

Doctors come to Sabah for many different reasons. The kiasu ones are here under the impression that a working stint in Sabah will earn them extra points in their pursuit of the local Masters specialty training. Some are here because they were told that the training and working experience here in Sabah are much better and wider compared to Peninsular Malaysia. I can’t comment on that, because I have never truly worked with the Ministry of Health in Peninsular Malaysia. My short attachments in the Klang, Banting and Tanjung Karang hospitals are not sufficient for me to make a proper comparison. Of course, there are always the jerk doctors who come to Sabah preying on the gullible local ladies. You can read my other posting for real-life stories.

Dr. Bee however, came to Sabah with nothing to gain and everything to lose – her spouse, her family, her friends, the comfort of home. I believe she came to serve the community of Sabah and verily I say, she has lived up to her personal pledges.

In the eighteen months of my working experience with Dr. Bee, I only have words of praise for her. She was among the top graduates in my class but unlike many other brainy doctors, Dr. Bee was competent and well-balanced in knowledge, work and character. She came to work early, examined patients thoroughly and demonstrated sincerity in her dealings with patients. She was so dilligent and motivated that other doctors took her for granted and pushed her around.

If I were to find any fault in her, it would be her uncanny fetish for all things afro. That's none of my business, though.

There have been a many emergencies and events whereby she was one of the few reliable hands around. There is no doubt in my mind that without her assistance and support during those times, a large number of patients would have had a very different and worse outcome.

She had had her share of frustrations and downcast while serving as a house officer. Sadly, this is the exactly the case with Malaysian healthcare. Lazy, moronic and irresponsible doctors get off scot-free while diligent, responsible and knowledgeable doctors like Dr. Bee get trashed. It’s a sickening system, to say the least. The hardworking doctors end up with more baggage and liability while doctors who go AWOL remain AWOL with no accountability.

Having studied real hard and basically smart to begin with, there were times where Dr. Bee just couldn’t reconcile with the occasional doubtful conclusions of some of the clinical specialists. In a feudalistic system like Malaysia’s, differing opinions are not tolerated well, much like the culture so rabid among our politicians.

Being pint-size and soft spoken, Dr. Bee was an easy target for the wicked bosses among us. It was really distressing to see her on the receiving end of verbal harassments from those racist, sexist, shit-full orthopaedic surgeons and NEP products.

While she was as frustrated with the system as I have been and still am, she remained ever enthusiastic and firmly focused on the big picture that is patient’s well-being and best interests.

We have gone separate ways and function independently as full-fledge medical officers now.

I have no doubt however, that Dr. Bee continues to maintain a self-imposed standard of excellence in her daily work in the interior of Sabah.

It was therefore remarkably upsetting that a doctor like her received a mere 76 marks for her annual work assessment called the Sasaran Kerja Tahunan (SKT).

Is this the reward for diligence in the civil service?

What the big deal about SKT, one might ask?

Sigh…

For non-bumiputera doctors like Dr. Bee and myself, the SKT points are very much a determining factor in our application for the local Masters program. The SKT points MUST NOT BE BELOW 88 FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS before we are eligible to APPLY for a specialty program.

Contrast the above criteria with the criteria set in place for Malay doctors who are accepted into the Skim Latihan Akademik Bumiputera (SLAB) program. Essentially, there are no specific criteria in place for the SLAB program. In fact, one may not even need to apply to join the SLAB program. I have had Malay colleagues who were simply offered to choose from a variety of SLAB specialty programs.

With an SKT of 76 points, the chances of Dr. Bee being eligible to apply for specialty training is practically nil.

Anyway, do we really seriously think that NEP products groomed in a racist system will be fair and considerate in their assessment of non-NEP products like Dr. Bee? Will they be able to empathize with the struggling non-Malay doctors striving for career advancement while juggling their daily work? Will they give a leg up and lend a helping hand the same way they were given crutches and wheelchairs to roll about?

To my dear friend Dr. Bee, take heart and don’t be discouraged. Study hard and kick their NEP asses. Above all, stay the same – a wonderful and dedicated clinician.

To flamelye:

Thank you for revealing the truth. Thank you.

How many years the non-NEP products need to wait before they can apply for a master programme?

And, why not sg?

that is why the gov in the 70's decided NOT to place the responsibility of training and accreditation of specialists on the professional bodies like most of the commonwealth (ie the Royal Colleges), which they cannot control........(the msian college of surgeons and physicians were formed with this in mind, but now exist only as social societies within the academy of medicine msia)

and place it with the universities (ie masters programme) which is directly controlled by the gov..........

however, for the medical disciplines, at least the mrcp continues to be recognised (albeit with a longer gazettement period), as is the mrcog........so that would be what most non-malays will aim for........a system and exam based solely on merit.......

unfortunately, that is not the case for surgical disciplines, as the msian gov has NOT recognised the mrcs, and the frcs is not open to most msians as a period of recognised sork experience is required in the uk..........so almost all surgeons nowadays comes through the masters programme........

Hey good day and happy cny to everyone ! ^.^

Let me introduce myself first, I am Alvis, a medical student (going to 5th year soon) from UKM.

Recently, I was researching and collecting informations on doing housemanships on Singapore. It was not a fruitful attempt, and I hope I can gather more informations from the sifu or senior from LYN here ! ^.^

Things that I basically wonder about is :

1. What's the benefit of doing housemanship in Singapore ? How is it different from doing it in Malaysia ?

2. How about the career advancement and opportunities in Singapore compared to Malaysia ?

3. I believe that no matter where you work, the busy and hectic houseman work life still apply, no ?

Thanks !