i think if you're really hardcore on becoming a doctor and if it's the only thing you set your mind to do, then such statistics won't matter, because if you're passionate and determined enough in your field, you wouldn't mind working harder to achieve what you want whether or not there's competition involved.

so, 'it's alright. i'll be a great doc'.

true...if u can't cope being a doc
then u can teach instead.....
be a lecturer in anatomy n physiology perhaps..
plus with 20++ med school in the country (n i don't know hw much it cn go in the future)
there r bound to be n increase in demand of medical lecturers...

See the bolded Red part~

From "The Star", 30th Jan 2010:






Interesting.. yes?

Your 'situation' is referring to the increase of number of doctors in the mere future, and that doctors will flood the streets and sell pisang goreng? =P ok i was joking bout the pisang goreng. xD Calm down my friend. Statistics might show that way, and yes it's true that it will happen, no doubt. But hey, for me, I'll say the same stuff as what your friend said. I'll thrive to be a good doctor to ensure my job is secured. Cos my passion is medicine, and I've a clear goal and motive of going down this pathway. =) So other than do my very very best, in each and every situation, I guess there ain't other solutions.

Besides, there're risks in every job. When the economy collapses, you'll see so many people jobless. But when there's a boom, you'll see people working like there's no tomorrow. So, I'll just do what I'm passionate at, regardless of what's gonna happen tmr. Cos we have no idea bout tomorrow rite? =)

agree with you =)



So um, there'll be another uni offering med in Malaysia soon? This time an IPTA. *I've never heard of UPNM though ><*

Extending the compulsory sevice period will not solve the shortage problem. If anything, it will only deter those studying overseas from coming back home.

Most of those who stay back in Msia will opt to leave government service once they have fulfilled the required 2+3 years, mainly venturing into private practice or even leaving the country.

The reason why most doctors choose not work for the government is fairly obvious. I don't think the politicians are blind to the problems faced by our public hospital doctors, but being politicians in a murky, biased system it's unlikely that they are going to change anything much. Paying more salary is not going to attract people back either; M'sian doctors are considerably well paid even as a junior HMO.

The now defunct Product of the System blog used to reveal many fishy issues plaguing our public hospitals, in particularly the appalling situation in Sabah, but unfortunately the blogger has decided to call it quits by quoting personal reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some higher ranking superiors forcing him to shut up, since his blog has been grabbing a fair share of attention from those who are involved in the health sector and medical students alike.

Yes, UPNM is an IPTA, previously known ATMA which was affiliated with UTM.
They don't even have Biological courses... now they are going to set-up a medical program (for the army I presume, since they won't be taking any intakes from the public/civilians)...

...now I'm wondering when Multimedia University (MMU) is going to open their faculty of medicine...

relax...........it's just politicians talking, with no idea what they are spewing........

the minister of health just announced they are actually considering REDUCING the compulsory service to 2 years.........

this is because it is a real probability that by 2015, the numbers completing housemanship and taking mo posts will exceed the vacancies...........

Increase or decrease, any alterations to the compulsory service period will only be a temporary measure. Many would still opt to leave once their time is up. Or venture down south to our neighbour across the causeway like many UK-grads do.

As long as political/racial bias, lack of promotion/advanced training opportunities, and appalling work hours persist; the public health sector would find it hard to attract professionals to stay on. And this isn't just limited to doctors, but also includes dentists, pharmacists, and other members of the health system.

actually, the statistics show 2 trends...........

first is, the numbers (and percentages) of people resigning from gov service after compulsory service in decreasing..........it becomes increasing difficult to establish gp clinics, and majority of people wants to specialise........however, the attrition from the specialist ranks continues unabated.......

the second trend is, the number of newly graduated doctors from the 1st world(ie uk/oz/nz/spore) returning to work in msia is shrinking........easily 80-90% of these doctors will stay on where they graduated to work.....as in your case....and indeed, in recent years, i know not personally anyone who returned.........this compares with <50% in the 80's and 90's........

however, newly minted doctors graduating from the 1st world are dwafted by those from the '3rd' world (russia/ukraine/india/indonesia/etc).........and hardly ANYONE stayed on, or will want to stay on in these countries........and by the local med schools, the majority of whom cannot work elsewhere.......these are the ones what will swell the ranks of doctors in msia.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 31 2010, 02:05 PM

We all have our own reasons whether to go back or not. Most of us here, including myself, would jump at the opportunity to go back home; after all it's where our roots are. But the reality is that every one would choose the best possible option when given the chance, and for myself I have been given an offer which exceeds what I would get back home. It's not in terms of financially as I would probably get the same pay, if not even more, should I decide to return home. Would the shortening of compulsory government service plus increase in salary attract overseas graduates (by this I mean those who get the chance to practice overseas) home? I don't think the impact would be as big as the ministers expect.

It's true that most of those who graduated from places like Russia, Ukraine, or Indonesia will end up returning as the aforementioned places are less attractive than back home. Those who graduated from local universities will eventually stay back as well. But it's interesting to know what happens to them once they finish the 2+3. Some, if not most, will venture in GP land and make a better living than staying in the public sector. Others, in particularly who fail to obtain a training programme due to quotas and SLAB, probably will be lured down south as mentioned previously by POTS before his blog went AWOL.

Anyway, apart from SLAB which almost nobody realises until they enter the workforce; nobody really knows what the induksi programme is until they get registered for HO. Listening to my friends' experiences, it's just a racist, brainwashing propaganda not unlike the various camps provided to JPA students. I'd like to hear from those here who have underwent the induksi to understand whether it's really as appalling as it seems, or what I've heard are merely exaggerations.

Hi everyone.
I wonder if any heard through the grapevine about an external UKM degree?
A 'transfer' linked by Me**-*d. Same company that offers Russia and Indonesia degrees.

The tuition is comparable with the IMU local's so if there's no any fraud or dispute, is it worth considering?

Thanks

If they reduce the compulsory service to only 2 years, it will be a great news to me.
Honestly, I plan to work in private sector. But don't get me wrong. I'm not doing that for profit or due to lower salary. My will to help people is just as strong as others. The main probelm in government hospitals is the over-heavy workload. I personally want a life in which there is a balance between career and private life. But for sure as a doctor, career>private life. But if possible, I prefer simpler life.

I wonder am I being selfish?

even if u tell me u wanna work in a private sector for $$, i dont think u are selfish. Dont be too noble.

if you leave the service after the compulsory service (really, 2 or 3 years makes little difference, and you will hardly have gained enough experience even after 3 years), you can only practice as a gp.....and i can assure you, gp hours are just as long, some even open night clinics up till midnight to make ends meet........only that you can go home and sleep peacefully at night.....

alternatively, you can work as an rmo in private hospitals, but you will still need to do shift duties as well as night duties........

bt i juz herd dat they r extending it to 10 yers? is there any conformation?

hurmm..i think it depends on the person itself....

in my opinion, if u studied on public fund eg gov scholership or something i'd call u selfish...
for those who studied overseas on JPA nad MARA expense and didn't comeback to serve i think them as highly ungrateful...
to make them worse...they don't even bother to pay back...a waste of public money

if its on ur own expense than go ahead...

thought that there's a bond of 10 years after you finish studying? That is if you're taking JPA scholarship. Can you run off after that? I've only heard people being released from their bonds (for those taking scholarships) because they are um, say, not so competent.

They can choose to buy off the bond, now its RM1mil-1.3mil. After that you are free as a bird.

The reason why those who study abroad choose to stay put its because wether its M'sia or foreign land thay are treated the same, so why not stay in a country which pays more.

1m-1.3m??????? you sure that's the right amount? O.o cos that's outrages. I mean, the fees itself may just be half of that sum =/ Um, how can they afford to pay off such a large sum when they are just fresh grads? >.<

Well, personally I'll stay there to work (if granted) for a period of time and see how it goes after that. But I do wish to come back here to work as this is my home country =) Just the question of when. That is, if I finish my 5 years in one piece =)

wow where to fork out dat kind of money??
if u to work in m'sia its totally impossible...if da UK probably wont be any problem i guess...
then again it comes back 2 ones concious...

m'sia/foreign teated da same....
to serve da public or for da money...

its all bout money these days....like it or not....

the bond penalty used to be a disproportionately small amount.........about rm130k for those who got the scholarships in the early 2000's.........

since the last 5 years, when they realised many people are breaking their bonds, the penalty is now based on the FULL amount jpa spends on you.........

that includes 2 years pre-u studies, all tuition fees paid, all allowances given, all airfares, insurance premiums, visa fees etc spent..........

and that WILL come up to 1mil or more, depending on which uni you studied (eg melbourne fees aud54k X 6 years =rm1mil, edinburgh gbp30k X 5=rm850k in fees alone)..........