Thanks podrunner! Really helped

But it also means that it's gonna be real tough to stay on to do housemanship in Aus/UK then.

While parents are reflecting on what happened to the late Dr Lee, kids went holidaying in Easter break and/or partying after mid sem exam....good for their mental wellbeing !

I'm not so positive about 'partying' being good for the mental state if alcohol is involved

I guess I'm an old fart when it comes to that

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Added on April 15, 2012, 10:10 amBtw reflecting on 6 weeks @ my current programme, I guess we're advantageous in certain areas compared to our Clayton mates. All of us have access to their lectures via mulo but not vice versa. The cohort is also a lot smaller, thus better interactions during PBL/CBL sessions. Friend of a friend complained about paying 2x the amount in Clayton but getting sleeping classmates during group sessions...

This post has been edited by Syd G: Apr 15 2012, 10:10 AM

And parents only learn it because of Facebook.....that is spying on ...

The future is hard to foresee....what will be will be....

bring back great memory ...

This post has been edited by confirm: Apr 15 2012, 10:19 AM

Said friend can always come back to Sunway, and save heaps. Question is...will he/she?

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Added on April 15, 2012, 10:39 amHaha, not spying when they are our fb friends.

This post has been edited by podrunner: Apr 15 2012, 10:39 AM

Nah. He'd come back if not for the parental face factor

Parents know best, and looks much much farther ahead, perhaps? If money is a non-issue, he just needs to do make the best of what his parents think is the best for him now. And we're talking about just 6 weeks into the course, so it's very early days still, in a 5 year course.

Yeap. And he's a good kid too we were told - hence concerned about the amount they're investing on him.

it is truly amazing that parents of adults already in the mid 20's have to interfere in the work of their children....

and a lesson to parents who push their children into the profession, against their will, and against their ability.....

generations of doctors have gone through the system, worked harder, longer hours, and i have NEVER known any parent to come and complain their precious offspring is bullied and working too hard.....till the last 5 years or so.....corresponding to an explosion of new doctors, coming off an explosion of medical programmes based on money instead of academic ability.....

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...0145&sec=nation



This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 15 2012, 02:41 PM

Im not sure about this but is there any avenue for houseman or other healthcare professional to lodge a report if they are a victim of unnecessary 'bullying' or humiliation?

While I can understand the other doctor stressful situation etc. , there should be a way for the other party to make complaint if they found it to be inappropriate. Nurses especially..

you are mistaken.....it's usually nurses (some are very senior ones) who 'bully' the houseman.....

the problem is.....the job places certain demands on all junior doctors.....but some doctors (and their parents) see that is overwork and bullying.....working 16 hours is nothing......before the shift system, the standard is 30 hour stretches.....

this requirement for long hours, sleep deprivation, and high stress environment is the same which ever country you work....and let me assure you, if you are found incompetent, your punishment can be more severe in countries like uk/oz.....there can be no 'sweeping under the carpet' there, unlike is common in msia....

if you cannot handle that, DON'T DO MEDICINE.....those already in, if all this is spooking you, it is not too late to quit......

as for humiliation, if one is shown to have poor knowledge and poor competency, be expected to be told off....this is not a summer camp.....if one shows competency and knowledge and hard work, i can assure you there will be no humiliation, but the down side is, you will be asked to work harder to 'cover' for the non-functioning ones.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 15 2012, 02:55 PM

Said students probably did first year chem or first year bio already in Year 12 and are probably only there because of the 80% attendance hurdle. I can assure you that just because they are falling asleep they are not falling behind

they should have one
its really sad to hear such thing

its like in a boarding school...
hospital=boarding school?

OH wow... the interns need a house mother??
How can even one start to equate a hospital with a boarding school???

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Added on April 15, 2012, 4:32 pmAll medical students, this book is highly recommended.

http://www.michelleau.com/

An excerpt here: http://www.michelleau.com/p/excerpt.html

You can go check out the fb page as well

https://www.facebook.com/ThisWontHurtaBit

Even better if at least one parent read it as well,

p/s Get used to being scutmonkeys for a long while.

This post has been edited by podrunner: Apr 15 2012, 04:45 PM

I guess this means that there is no such avenue to complaint....this actually could help as we can express our concerns if we met someone who are incompetent while protecting abuser. We actually learn as per GMC 'Fit to Practice' guidelines that we could report such behaviour to prevent misconduct.

Hmm... while it may be marginal I do think there would be a case where some houseman might be subjected to abuse despite being competent. Just like in normal workplace, no one is spared from such people and I think that it might be a good idea to set it up...

Another very good book, a "classic" I believe:

House of God - Samuel Shem

http://www.amazon.com/The-House-God-Samuel...34481321&sr=8-1

the ministry of health has already directed that hospital directors meet up with housemen every week.....

the gmc guidelines are meant for medical practice in the uk nhs system, and the challenges they face is very different from the msian scenario currently....

it would be naive to think the gmc guidelines will be able to deal with the current problem facing msia....they do NOT face mass influx of junior doctors who are unable to function.....

What would be the percentage, say of a new cohort?

It would be interesting to know how many or the rough percentage of such junior doctors who are not able to provide decent care to its patients n what is the quitting rate like.
I honestly don't have any complaints against doctors working in govt hospitals knowing the increasing number of ppl seeking treatment there n the non-stop emergency patients coming in ambulances or what not. Looks like the increasing no. of housemen has not only not contributed to any improvement in services but in fact has choked up the system with suspect qualifications n putting patients under their care in potential danger. The fact is that the majority of govt body services has deteriorated despite all kinds of transformation plans.
And the govt seems to be condoning mediocricity with the implementation of the "buddies" system