CALLING ALL MEDICAL STUDENTS! V2, medical student chat+info center
CALLING ALL MEDICAL STUDENTS! V2, medical student chat+info center
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Dec 17 2011, 10:23 PM
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Stumble across this post. Log in from Newcastle Malaysia
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Dec 18 2011, 02:17 AM
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Pretty nice
Are you also a medical student? |
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Dec 18 2011, 10:58 AM
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Clinical training? We going to do it in Johor. Hospital Sultan Ismail plus 3-4 Klinik Kesihatan around Nusajaya is used in our programme.
The course itself is the same as being used in Newcastle UK (case-based curriculum, assignment, ethics, OSCE, clinical exposure, communication/ body language skills) so it definitely ,in my opinion, tough and challenging. I also heard we are having the same exam question as the student in Newcastle UK although I haven't confirm it (any Newcastle UK student here?) Unfortunately, we are the only university opened in the area so its quite lonely down here.... |
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Dec 18 2011, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 18 2011, 02:06 PM) Ah....the fungus infested hospital....i presume all defects have been corrected, and it is now a fully functional hospital..... Lol, fungal infected. Well I guess they already make necessary improvement so that it would not happen again.i thought somebody is supposed to build a private hospital next to numed for clinical training?.....is that still on?..... as a branch campus of newcastle, and if the degree is expected to be on par with newcastle uk, and recognised by gmc, it is expected that the programme should be exactly the same, and the selection and testing criteria should also be the same.... Added on December 18, 2011, 2:08 pmcyber, at least he has the right attitude of willingness to acknowledge his own shortcomings (noting his med school) and to work hard during the housemanship..... Private hospital? I did not heard about it although we are the first university in EduCity to open and they are only 2 batch here. I think we mightlearn more about it in a couple years or so. Anyway, there is many lecturer from UK with exact training curriculum so I'm pretty sure it gonna work out pretty well for all of us This post has been edited by Crypt: Dec 18 2011, 03:14 PM |
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Dec 22 2011, 02:57 PM
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Good list of book,onelove. But for the first year, there isn't the need to buy the book immediately as, in my opinion, you can just read and compare the lectures notes with the book from the library. But I agree to the use of anatomy book in the first year.
If you like words>pictures, use Moore's. If pictures>words, use Gray's. Btw, whats the cheapest medical bookstore in Malaysia? I see some book online to be cheaper than Kamal. |
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Dec 22 2011, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Dec 22 2011, 03:47 PM) hmm, which online store is that? do share do share =D Oh nevermind. Recheck it and turned out Kamal or Emo Bookstore (IMU) is far cheaper. Its bookdepository.org btw. Anyway, isnt buying from university is far cheaper? Just wait for a new intake and buy together with them in bulk so that the price is cheap.Year 1 will be lots of histo and probably anat as well. (depending on the syllabus) so I guess those are essential. Patho is a must have, that's what I think. but these days I'm reading off lecture notes for subjects like physio and patho. It depends, if you have good lecturers + notes, then you'll be pretty much ok. Tortora/marieb is always recommended in 1 st year but I wouldn't really get it honestly speaking. I have a marieb and I don't use it at all now. |
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Dec 23 2011, 01:53 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, minimum should be be >80
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Dec 23 2011, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 23 2011, 02:51 PM) Ah thanks Quite common to be rejected by a IMU PMS especially in June intake. Tell him to call up IMU and ask for a February 2013 seat. But sometimes they will call nearing June 2012 as most just apply without turning up to confirm.Btw a friend was rejected by IMU PMS but offered a place by Monash Sunway. Strange... |
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Dec 23 2011, 11:17 PM
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Dont worry. First, make sure you cover the basic
1. Why medicine? 2. Why not nursing, pharmacy? 3. What your experience? 4. Why this uni and not other? 5. Research a bit on the curriculum? The go a bit deeper like 1. Current issue/ethics regarding medicine e.g. stem cell, abortion, euthanasia 2. |
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Dec 24 2011, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 24 2011, 02:52 PM) Hey, best Monash MBBS student last year was from Sunway Campus Wow, I guess he just proves that doing it locally does not mean that we are inferior to doctor who study abroad. Every student should really emulate this guy attitude to success.http://www.monash.edu.my/advancement/marke...ions-Shaun.html QUOTE(onelove89 @ Dec 24 2011, 03:07 PM) yeah, it depends on how you value it. If ranking and job security comes in, even the 1.5x is worth it =) everyone values things differently. Number of uni offering med in australia is getting less and less, so no surprise those existing ones will jack up the fees, esp the famous ones. Most UK grad do have curriculum on ethics and communication skill throughout their 5 year course (Newcastle Malaysia also follow this). Do anyone knows if UM or other university here have such subject?Honestly speaking, I've seen a big difference in attitude btwn msian doctors and aus doctors. Even aus grad doctors make a difference. I shouldn't say much about where or what they specialize in, but I do feel that majority of the doctors here are just rushing to get you out of the room, and don't give a crap about patient's feelings. Of course I might be generalising here as I've seen about 4 msian doctors/specialist here, and comparing it with a few GP in aus and a few aus grad specialist in msia. I know I might not be in the position to say so, but we're taught to communicate well, and be patient centred, and I just don't see much of the doctors here doing that well. Recently encountered such bad attitude, if she wasn't in such high position, I would have just took my relative and got out of the room. Why? Let's just say she looked down on my relative because she didn't have much education, bad communication as in using harsh tone, and don't give a crap about patients feelings, and many more that I don't wanna specify. It's just sad. But regardless, its all down to the doctor. I wont be suprise if there is UK grad doctor who have worser attitude compare to local ones.. |
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Dec 24 2011, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Dec 24 2011, 08:20 PM) Not too sure about IPTA, but in my former uni, they taught us behavioural science, which IMHO can't really be applied in real situations. Either that or they didn't really taught me well enough so I know how to use so. I'm pretty sure comm skills and ethics are stressed at some point in every curriculum, I guess it all comes down to individuals. Like I said, I might be generalizing and I do apologize. But seeing such injustice to patients just made me sad. Cant blame you. In our visit to clinic, most of the student do encountered situation where its the opposite of what we should be doing in our lectures (body language, eye contact, temperament etc.). One of the main concern is the duration of the consultation. We notice that while UK system encourage us to let the patient speak for at least 5 minutes interruped if possible, in Malaysia most in interrupt in the first 20 second. The doctor admitted that this is because the waiting line can be up till 50++ and its important that they clear it up. This can be quite unproductive in the long term as I think we might missed some important detail as the patient do not have the time to talk their concern.Do anyone have experience with such consultation and is it possible to have a good consultation with such limited time? |
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Mar 4 2012, 12:56 PM
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Some uni have extra so 1st year dont really have to buy it. But since everyone buying, I guess some people just followed and get one for themself.
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Mar 23 2012, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE(ltvl0929 @ Mar 23 2012, 12:34 AM) Hi all. I just got my SPM results yesterday and am a January intake A-Levels student. I am very very interested in studying Medicine, but due to financial restrictions, I don't think I will be able to study Medicine in the UK if I don't get a scholarship (which reminds me, hardly any scholarships provide medicine). But I'm also hoping to be able to get in NUS.. Im a NUMed student So, I'd like to ask whether there are any students here from IMU, PMC, PUGSOM or NUMed? These are the universities I'm considering if I'll be doing my degree in Malaysia. For students of any of these universities, I would greatly appreciate it if I could get a reply from you all.. 1. Are you satisfied with the teaching method (Pre-Clinical and Clinical) ? 2. Overall student experience? 3. Will it be good choice for me to do a twinning programme with IMU? 4. How's clinical years in Malaysia? 5. I know this is a weird question, do you get to practice on cadavers? I heard you don't get to in IMU.. LOL, I know there's a lot of questions, but it'll be great if you could share some of your experience with me. =) 1. Yes. They have many good lecturers from UK, Singapore and Malaysia. Btw, dont underestimated Malaysian lecturer, as in my opinion, there can actually perform just the same or even better than the UK counterpart 2. Not bad. But its more of the location as it is pretty far from the city compare to other uni e.g UM. But since you still in SPM, there would be probably more social life if you decided to come here. 4. 5 years in Malaysia. But you can go to UK for intercalation. 5. No. We used video for anatomy. This practices is similar to UK. Btw, if I were you, I would concentrate on A-level/IB/MUFY etc. How about you do your best and maybe get a scholarship in the process. Oh I forgot, do apply to JPA/MARA/IPTS scholarship as they might sponsor you to oversea if you do well enough. |
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Mar 23 2012, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Mar 23 2012, 01:20 AM) LoL... whaaat?? I know. Some student actually express this exact statement. But the only country I know which have many supply of cadaver is India. Then again, I think many countries in the world (UK,USA,Singapore, etc.) dont have access to cadaver but they produce world class graduate. But Im not saying like we are good or anything as you guys probably have an advantage You guys need some of this to really appreciate anatomy~ » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « But I'm hoping the hospital will allowed access of medical student in mortuary (3rd-5th year) so at least we can prepare ourself early. QUOTE(ltvl0929 @ Mar 23 2012, 08:34 PM) Hi! Thanks a lot for your reply. I think there is only 60 of us as there is no advertisement etc. for our university last year. There is no JPA student in our batch yet.Yeah, am concentrating for my A-Levels now. That's what I was thinking of, getting scholarship to do medicine overseas, but since there are not many scholarships that offer medicine, I'm doing some research on local institutes to prepare myself. My parents advised me to do my degree locally and then specialise overseas. What is the number of students studying in the same year as you now between? =) From what I heard, there is more student coming next year. Anyway, our university have open day around February so if you have time you can visit us and talk personally to student around the campus. This year there is a lot of person with SPM visting and many ask about medicine and stuff that we do. |
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Apr 15 2012, 01:29 PM
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Im not sure about this but is there any avenue for houseman or other healthcare professional to lodge a report if they are a victim of unnecessary 'bullying' or humiliation?
While I can understand the other doctor stressful situation etc. , there should be a way for the other party to make complaint if they found it to be inappropriate. Nurses especially.. |
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Apr 15 2012, 04:50 PM
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I guess this means that there is no such avenue to complaint....this actually could help as we can express our concerns if we met someone who are incompetent while protecting abuser. We actually learn as per GMC 'Fit to Practice' guidelines that we could report such behaviour to prevent misconduct.
Hmm... while it may be marginal I do think there would be a case where some houseman might be subjected to abuse despite being competent. Just like in normal workplace, no one is spared from such people and I think that it might be a good idea to set it up... |
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Apr 15 2012, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 15 2012, 06:51 PM) there has always been a few who have problems, even in the past..... How is it even possible for this graduate to pass? If the med school wanted money then they should never let such med students graduate and repeat the year until they pass...there is no statistics now, but a few years ago, the moh quoted a figure of 15% or so who were having problems.....whether this figure has gone up, nobody knows, but anecdotal accounts from consultants supervising them gave figures like a quarter to a third fresh housemans have problems fitting into the system.....the consultants were told to 'retrain' them.....ie, do what medical schools should have done in the first place.... they can't get a proper history, can't make sensible working diagnosis, have no experience in simple procedures, display very poor basic medical knowledge, etc.... michelle au described a typical medical student environment in the us....where students are exposed to a fair bit of hands on work.....in some countries, they graduate with very little clinical experience.....everything is theoretical..... I think university should have (or already have) OSCE test every year to test their basic clinical skill before graduated. |
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