What MMC puts in doesn't really matter much. Its more important to get the recognition by SMC, if possible.

Don't forget Singaporean students make up like a third of the international students in Clayton.

sunway and taylor's are completely different establishments.......

many jpa/mara scholars earmarked for australia do NOT get places and end up elsewhere.....

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Added on February 22, 2012, 12:58 amsingaporeans (including non singaporeans who studied in spore) make about half of internationals in utas.....several with multiple offers, but choose to take utas for cost reasons......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 22 2012, 12:58 AM

Thanks for correcting the gross error!

So it seems Singaporeans make up a big percentage of the international students, generally. Did UTas keep internationals to around 20 this year, as well?

I thought JPA n Mara are allocated fixed no of places n the best of the lot took up the places.

As far as I know, the only international students from my university who ever failed med are government scholars, and the ones who did not fail never return to Malaysia.

limeuu was referrring to scholars who did not manage to secure entrance places in oz unis.

19 international students as one withdrawn last minute. A number of the Sin students have unconditional offer from UK med schools but decided to go to Aus. As they needed to go to NS after preu they have plenty of time to decide.

How many med students were from MUFY this year? And I believe the number of JPA students has also been drastically reduced; last year was abt 40+, I think. Perdana students mostly gomen sponsored n some put into cheaper unis. Gomen austerity drive? Hope not - No Greece, please!

I personally know less than 5. This is excluding seniors not in my batch, whom are most probably JPA scholars (July 2010 intake, mine was Jan/March 2011 intake). All the MUFY students I know are self-sponsored.

Limeuu was right on the 'bottom of the barrel' statement. Met someone with borderline MUFY score, borderline IELTS, borderline interview and less than 20% ISAT

Let's hope said student realize a chance has been given, and get act together.

As far as Monash Sunway is concerned though, should scraping of barrel continue, th school may eventually be renamed Sunway University's Jeffery Cheah School of Medicine. The disparity of standards between the Sunway and Clayton campus, must be within acceptable limits. This would be the reasonable expectation.

This post has been edited by podrunner: Feb 22 2012, 11:44 AM

Last year's intake has about 30 to 40 students from MUFY and quite a number are JPA sponsored.

Where does the majority come from? STPM should be just a handful; A levels, SAM, Ausmat etc? I know a few who are from A levels and did not manage to secure places in UK.

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Added on February 22, 2012, 2:50 pmIt is not so much of a drop in standards, the syallbus is the same and they sit for the same exams and markings are moderated. (Its the same for law and accountancy exams; for those Malaysian students who sit for the same exams as their UK counterparts, there should not be much difference and you would actually see Malaysian students among the price winners on a regular basis! We treat exams more seriously than most others.) Its the unfortunate thing for these borderline cases who will have problems even getting past Year 1!

This post has been edited by cckkpr: Feb 22 2012, 02:50 PM

it is for this precise reason, that my respect for monash has gone south.....if they are willing to compromise their standards for the sake of money, like all other ipts in msia, then they are no better than the likes of mahsa, cucms, masterskill etc.....

and if they are willing to allow such wide disparity between their clayton and sunway programmes, it makes a mockery of their assurance in their website about 'the same high standards of both clayton and sunway pragrammes'.....

in the first few batches, their selection was stricter than imu-pms......now it's the reverse.....

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Added on February 22, 2012, 4:04 pmthere was a time in the past, where there was an arrangement with several oz and nz unis for 'guaranteed' places for their scholars.....ie, jpa/mara 'buys' say, 5 places....and decides who gets selected.....

this arrangement was extremely unpopular with both local as well as full fees paying international students, as many were obviously sub-standard when compared to what the rest need to be to enter.....

i believe this arrangement is ended.....and all scholarship students now need to compete with all other international students for the quota of full fees places......

the result is that many scholars with 'uk, oz, nz' scholarships did 'not fly'.......their slang for getting a place and flying off......

afaik, there is no scholar in the current utas cohort.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 22 2012, 04:04 PM

Fortunately he's a good person, and realized that he barely escaped the chopping block. I hope that he can buck up too


I dont know. Will find out next week


Based on insider's info, the university as a whole is losing students. Requirements were dropped for 2012 intake, e.g 320 MUFY score for Pharmacy & interview vs 340 & no interview previously. 305 for BComm(Accounting) vs 320. 360 vs 355 for MBBS. You get the picture

I saw less than 30 students for whole IT courses this year. Compared to say, MMU with approx 150 IT students a year.

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Added on February 22, 2012, 4:20 pmBtw banner says Application for February 2012 (which starts next week) is still open till Friday. You can draw your own conclusion from there...

This post has been edited by Syd G: Feb 22 2012, 04:23 PM

I think Limeuu's latest comment sums it up.

For the borderline cases who made it, let's hope they pull up their socks in the first year, (course requires loads of memory work) as I read that even the "bright" students have been known to falter.

Apparently for most of the Singaporeans in Clayton, Monash was their second or third choice after NUS and Oxbridge. There would have been a handful more Singaporeans, had NUS not offered them a place. There's about 40 of them, not 30 as initlally thought.

The "You help me, I help you" thing does not work anymore! No wonder med scholarship for overseas after pre-u are not available(yet, hopefully).

Looks like we need to own or control one of these universities; like Ohio University in the States.

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Added on February 22, 2012, 5:06 pmAnd UK gomen has indicated that A levels grade will be tighten up to improve the quality of the students. Oz is already so competitive and UK numbers are so few. Parents really need to review the situation.

This post has been edited by cckkpr: Feb 22 2012, 05:06 PM

Does anyone know if Monash Clayton takes up a share in Monash Sunway, and shares in the profits, OR does it work like a "franchise", where a certain fixed percentage is determined on revenue figures?

Monash Clayton do own shares in Sunway and it was reported sometime back that both parties have agreed to reinvest all profits for upgrading and future development, at least over the next few years. (No link).

Review the situation? Does it not mean that with all the "tightening up", only the best (in terms of OVERALL criteria) will be considered for the course in these two countries? The reality is, a basic MBBS is just a degree, that's basically it!

With the sheer numbers of med schools and students being churned out in the country, it's fast becoming "everyone can get mbbs!". Following the mbbs, they need to be trained/interned, and this is the worry, if you ask me. Huge numbers of mbbs grads unfortunately means that employers (private sector) and our neighbour will now HAVE to become very selective. Where one gets employed/trained, and registered, will determine one's potential to (hopefully) specialise in their area of interest/skill.

Side note, is the Labour Party in Australia friendlier to international students, or the opposition led by Tony Abbott? Watching news on australia network now, breaking news - Kevin Rudd's resignation as Foreign Minister

Google says, Tony Abbott big on DECREASING immigration numbers!

This post has been edited by podrunner: Feb 22 2012, 05:45 PM