this list is out of date, there has been very recent changes......

ng teng fong hospital will be under the new jurong health group.....that includes alexandra hospital which will be redeveloped.....

khoo teck puat hospital is now under the alexandra health group........

Thanks for bringing up this point. The 5 cluster concept doesn't apply to residency. for residency training, both NUH and Ng Teng Fong will be under NUHS and Tan Tock Seng and Khoo Teck Puat will be under NHG-AHPL.

i didn't make the rules.....i tell as it is....

i have made an inference as to why they make this rule......if that is still 'clueless' to people, well i guess some people takes longer to learn......

people with b and c grades get into med school....and they wonder why their degrees are not recognised by advanced countries......

and btw, clinical is generally 3 years, or 3 years equivalence.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 29 2011, 11:40 PM

Hmm..not sure if you refer me a a B/C student. I got all A's (A- in GP) in STPM. Its not the best of result but I do not come from a rich family and if they offer me IPTS, I gladly accept it. Sometimes you just don't get what you wanted and you have to live with it.

Thanks on the clarification. Not sure why I said 2 years though. Still not clear on your interference as I expect clearer answer from a experience doctor but then again you might never met or work with IPTS student during their clinical.

Btw, I heard that some IPTS student are being offered job in Singapore's hospital. Anyone heard of such things? These story make me a bit dizzy with with SMC...

This post has been edited by fastimes: Aug 30 2011, 01:37 AM

This thread is pretty active of late! Academics and passion aside, one's attitude and character also determines how well the medical student will turn out. In the first year of any course, particularly in medicine, there will be a number of annoying upstarts with chips on their shoulders to boot. Some get humbled along the way, some never get it, unfortunately.

Of course there are such cases...but surely they won't openly advertise the fact...

all information asked is in the public domain, but as usual, people are too incompetent/lazy to find it....

it appears a grades academically nowadays doesn't say much......

there are alternate pathways for registration with smc......

since people expect to be spoon fed.....nah:

http://www.smc.gov.sg/html/1153709452985.html

normally its 2 years of preclin and 3 years of clin years in msia. My uni kinda overlaps both in the 3rd year as we're having CNS lectures as well as starting our clin rounds. Well, with many new med schools sprouting out like weeds, it's normal for them to lower their entry requirements to attract more students. Med education has turned into some sort of business in malaysia. that's how I see it. There are definitely exceptions to that.

Leave those people to crash and burn on their own =) basically from first year we're taught to do reflections. I think that really helps in character building. (and also looooooooooots of lectures on ethics and professionalism, public health etc etc) Then again, you'll still see some arrogant bunch lurking around till you graduate.

Woa..
2 years of pre-clinical studies and 3 years of clinical.
In the UK, regardless of the rigor or depth of your pre-u curriculum, there's an unskippable 3 years of pre-clinical. So, any 'undeserved' top scholars, such as in a shallow pre-u curriculum, or inflation of grades, or even a lower-stage examination, will have another chance to study the pre-med which is the foundation to medicine. Therefore, I believe, that the rest of the pre-clinical will be studied thoroughly much easily, rather than the pure memorization that's often cried by med students around.

In the US, medicine is a postgraduate studies, with a preference to related undergraduate or unrelated undergraduate with complete pre-med requisites. So, the foundation is already set. However, even fast-track programmes last for 7 years, exclusive of housemanship. Advanced Standing is usually not granted for medicine, regardless of credits earned.

And Malaysia? That reply came as a shock, even more when the word 'normally' is in place.

Its usually those who are younger than their classmates who feel they are smarter than the rest.

Talking about arrogance
I met a few Malaysian local graduate(UM,UKM) that are very hard to interact with,yes I am talking about those that migrated to Singapore to work.
These people don't have a high regard towards people from other institution.
my 2 cents

there is no such thing as 'pre-med' in uk.....except for some small intakes in some med schools as part of affirmative action programmes for disadvantaged segments of the british population or excellent students without the chemistry pre-requisite.....it is not open for foreigners....

pre-clinicals are normally 2 years......a few programmes are 3 years......

pre-clinical programmes with an intercalated degree may be 2 1/2 to 4 years..........and you get a 1st degree (usually B Med Sc) at the end....

the clinical programme (after pre-clinical, with or without an intercalated programme) is 3 years equivalent (generally 90-100 weeks).......but some covers the 3 years equivalent in 2 or 2 1/2 years.....of course at the expense of much shorter holidays.....

edited for clarity.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 30 2011, 04:02 PM

how do local grads perform in comparison to UK/Oz?
ive heard stories bout russian grads but there have been no significant complaints bout local grads, so local grads cant be that bad right?

This post has been edited by arsenwagon: Aug 30 2011, 12:58 PM

You got it wrong.
The 'pre-med' in my UK context is spelt without the '', which meant biology or chemistry studies before medicine. I'm utilizing pre and medicine, not the official pre-med requisite selection.
And intercalated degree in your explanation is wrong. Intercalation meant two very related degrees taken in between certain periods, usually a year, which meant extra time, not shorter. Getting a BSc extra to medicine degree require an extra year. An intercalated degree with Phd, say, takes extra years in between clinical years to obtain it. So, intercalation takes more time, not less, and even its vocabulary definition also meant so.

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Added on August 30, 2011, 3:30 pmHowever, sorry about the number of years of pre-clinical studies. It's 2. I suspect I got confused with my own extended plan.

This post has been edited by reconnaissance: Aug 30 2011, 03:30 PM

you are one very confused person.....doing chemistry and biology before medicine is NOT 'pre-med' or pre-med.........

and you have completely misunderstood what i wrote.....go read it carefully again.......

an intercalated degree is something done between the pre-clinical and the clinical years, and awards with an extra degree.....that extends the pre-clinical years by between 0-1 year, before the student rejoins the clinical studies.....it does NOT necessarily add any extra time to the studies.....do you own research as to which british intercalated programmes require more time, and which does not.......

Maybe because many new IPTS haven't graduated yet and most only met a few to properly assess their abilities. But I did talk to on doctor in hospital last year and he mentioned that PMC student are well-trained. He didn't talk much but I guess many older ones like IMU/PMC have make good impression to their coworker.

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Added on August 30, 2011, 4:20 pmAttitude can't be change even if you go to Cambridge or other top tier university. But maybe its because some top-student rarely socialize that when they started working its easy to forget how normal courtesy can make a huge difference. For me, working part-time teach me a lot on communication

This post has been edited by fastimes: Aug 30 2011, 04:20 PM

the quality of a med student, and the quality of any new medical programme should NOT be even a question mark at all, in a well managed health care system......

nobody questions the quality of brighton-sussex, east anglia, cardiff, warick etc in uk......and nobody questions the quality of jcu, wollongong or uws in oz....

the fact that there is so much debate and concerns about msian's many new med schools speaks volume about how this issue has been handled by the msian authorities.....

Pre-med is any studies before medicine. Only in US, pre-med is courses, or requisite. The pre-med I'm refering to is not that one, it's the 'pre-independence''s 'pre-marital''s 'pre-school''s pre, then medicine. The any studies before medicine. I did mention this.
And intercalation does equal to an extension of the total study time. I'm confused about the pre-clinical period in the first place is because I've counted in the intercalation of BSc, hence extending by an extra year. Intercalation of degrees mean taking degrees of different faculty, such as BSc, or of different level, such as PhD of medicine, in between a year of study, either in the pre-clinical or clinical stage.
I'm very very thorough in my research, so I'm not possibly wrong in this, at least not this time.

Thanks again limeuu. Quite an interesting piece of information But from reading the rules, I guess they bypass it using the second rule which easy to get in as long as Singapore hospital want you Still think that they should recognized some IPTS in the country as they already accepted some into their system.

Agreed, but as I already said, they is many who say 'low quality this, low quality that' but at the end the is just another general statement. Someone have to show a concrete evidence so that the local IPTS are more wary of their curriculum.

I for one wanted to know as so I am able to improve myself when I'm graduated. This to prevent some patient who after see my cert and say 'This guy is product of an incompetence local IPTS that are less capable than the doctors that are graduated from UK/Oz etc..'.

I am a bit confused. Based on your explanation, A levels would also be considered "pre-med" then, as some do go on to do Medicine in Uni, although A levels are generally considered "pre-uni".