he should not even be doing medicine.....should not be allowed to.....

no wonder there are hordes of indonesians leaving for spore and msian for treatment......

it's really sad that it's come to this. i personally want to encourage people to follow their dreams, not barred them from practicing after they graduate. Maybe malaysian school leavers need some serious counselling about career options.

it becomes a problem when the authorities fails (does NOT want) to control doctor training.....and every tom d*** and harry thinks he is 'passionate' about wanting to 'help people in africa' and thus should be allowed to be a doctor......and there are so MANY pathways which allows very weak students to enrol, study, and pass a medical course and automatically becoming a doctor..........

this is a phenomenon peculiar with some 3rd world countries, in particular msia (and apparent india as well)...........

it does NOT happen in developed countries........where prospective students are informed in no uncertain terms, that they will have to be the cream de la creame to even think about applying......and few backdoors left open...........

Medicine there cannot be compared to 3rd world countries (hence the name duh). Some universities even have 6 years courses. Not disagreeing, but I still can't see why u keep comparing obvious stuff like that. Fact is, you cannot expect top class treatment in every local clinic you walk in too. In fact, you might as well go on comparing everything they have in 1st world countries that we don't. It has always been that way, I don't see it changing anytime soon.

Wrong........it was never like this..........We did have good quality medical training.......and our graduates in the past were recognised in many countries......over the years we deteriorated......and this decay accelerated the last 10 years.......with the adoption of the airasia model.......now everybody can be a doctor.......

If one's attitude is like that, u are condemned to be 3rd world forever.......

10 years ago? Then where did those middle aged doctors in our local hospital come from? Do you think they're proficient enough?

And about the recognized graduates in other countries (if there are many at all), why do you think the numbers went down? Is it solely based on our education here, or is it rather their education?

This post has been edited by monochrome1234: Jun 3 2011, 12:34 PM

Medicine, by all means, are a field of great respect after the post-independence era which lasted till the development era. Every doctors, even just a general practitioners are greatly respected no matter where you are or who you are within and outside this country.. And now, what you do see in every doctors you met? Is it the usual 'okay I meet this guy, he'll prescribe me and I'll cure' or the 'yes! A doctor! Man, I'm lucky shit! I WILL SURVIVE!!' ?
The faith in doctors are terribly in grave danger. And it do have something to do with us 3rd world and them 1st.. The 1st kept medicine a professional career, while we called it a professional career.. We must not be ignorant to forget the fact that to be a 1st, you must first learn why the 1st is a 1st in the 1st place.
Now end this war, stop contaminating this steriled thread.

This is what I'm trying to say and that is the reality.

This post has been edited by monochrome1234: Jun 3 2011, 01:08 PM

There are 2 interpretations to that statement.

1) The standard of medical education has stagnated in Malaysia, while other countries have moved forward.
2) The standard of medical education has fallen in Malaysia.

Either way, Malaysia cannot go on like this, where a medical education has been cheapened, to quote a education agent ad, "a doctor in every family".

We do not need a brilliant top class doctor. We need all our doctors to be proficient and competent.

So its a black and white situation where he wont be absorbed by the msian government? There will be alot of issues in the upcoming 6 years. Im sure solely due to money the agent will accept any sort of results and hence those who arent aware of the current happening will get effected. By the way , speaking of those days , my uncle is a arts stream student and now he is a doctor. Doing well. He is in his mid 40's. Medicine isnt some rocket science. Quote from haya " We need all our doctors to be proficient and competent " Is good enough.

oh yes i agree.

we need doctors, who became doctors, because they wanted to become doctors, not to become rich or glamourous.

nowadays, people try very hard to get a place into medicine, or even dentistry, why?

some just for the sake of the title Dr

thats why they would go to egypt or russia, when they know the quality of medical education there is not that good

i couldn't agree more! many are also pushed to study medicine just because they attained excellent results in their exams...but with next to none interest these stellar students end up as bad doctors.
but i believe other policies that are being implemented also plays a huge part in the quality of doctors. take for instance the article in today's newspaper... The Star Online
this is not a new policy but because of this many doctors who are still quite inexperienced are being put on the fast track to becoming heart/etc surgeons when they are yet to learn other basic procedures...isn't this also a worrisome trend contributing to the decreasing standards of doctors in malaysia?

I felt compelled, but very lazy to restate an important point that I've repeated lots of time..
Passionate student with low results don't deserve to be in medicine.
Outstanding student without passion not supposed to be in medicine.
Outstanding student with passion deserved and should be in medicine.
Before most began to put up a fight for the first point, I must first require you to take in a deep breath and think deep.. This is about people's lives, and go as far as our country's dignity and the survival of our citizens.. This is about the healthcare which everyone sought for.. This is about who the sick meet and what they'd receive.. Passion without the values of patience, vigilance, perseverance and most importantly, the knowledge, brainpower and basics, are useless. Unless you want just any other John who don't know anything but yet wants and super passionate about being a doctor which encompassed his dreams since he was born to be the backbone of this honorable field that used to be greatly looked upon , prioritize the outstanding students with passion and the outstanding students without passion to be next.. Cause knowledge's what treating the sick. And passion's what driving them.


This post has been edited by reconnaissance: Jun 3 2011, 06:27 PM

i can understand what you mean. many students with "just made it" results for medicine find the first two years especially tough with all the theory and memorizing...but it also the case that when it comes to the 3rd and consecutive years, many of them start to shine and turn out to be good doctors...i think with the education problems in the primary and secondary level that we are facing in our country, to churn out enough outstanding+passionate future doctors is quite a huge task. i believe the type of students that are best suited for this field are best gauged by the uni lecturers...they should be professional and have enough experience and foresight to wean out the ones who should and shouldn't be in med school...they were once doctors themselves, so i think there should know what it takes to be one...

passionate students with low grades means that they are interested to do medicine, but without the right qualification, so yes, they shouldnt be in medicine.

because, they might one day, kill their patient

of course, a standard must be set and met on the minimum grade for admittance...but my bone to pick is that most med schools are placing the whole importance on that:the grades...interview sessions that should be used to "determine" how much of the other factors the students have such as passion, people skills etc. are conducted so painfully nonchalantly it serves next to no purpose...and thus many students with good grades but bad attitudes get in...and those who meet the minimum grade but have great potential are often turned away at the door...

I wanted to point all that out to those guys, but you beat me to it I fully agreed with your post.

lol, on a lighter note, your phrase of T D H, reminds me of the mnemonics tom d*** and very naughty harry for medial foot =P hahaha

sorry for an off-topic question here, i'd need some guidance from all experts here.

1) is USM medicine as good as um and ukm?
2) do USM medic graduates hav good reputation in the medical field?
3) why whn i browse through the dr profiles (specialists) in some hospitals (ijn,kpj,mahkota....), there r fewer usm graduated (medicine degree) specialists compared other uni? I mean those who took their MD in USM and become a specialist later.

thankz for helping =)
sorry if the above offences you

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