The difference between tomato paste and peeled tomatoes is that:
~Tomatoes patse gives a more pungen, zestier and stronger tomatoes essence to the bolognese..
~Peeled tomatoes (canned) gives a milder contrast and juicier while stay close to the classic Italian recipe..

Both are fine depends on what you like, but remember the herbs bro: Basil + tomato are superb combo or dried oregano herbs are good enough as well.

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Added on July 12, 2010, 6:30 amIf you want something else than bolognese and 'creamy' as well, try this sauce:

Plain Yogurt + Extra virgin Olive oil + Garlic (optional if you don't like it, but garlic is key in this sauce, cooked in olive oil first before putting in other ingredients) + chicken stock (for seasoning, the powder ones, not the cube ones) + herbs (a little dried oregano) and slices of small pieces of chicken breast.

Very simple, cooking time ETA 5 minutes.

This post has been edited by JoBigShow: Jul 12 2010, 06:30 AM

Reason for peeled tomatoes : in bolognese cooking, the tomatoes are cooked until it's very soft. By that time, the tomato skin would have curled up and not everyone likes the texture of the bolognese.

I've used both bought-tomato-paste and homecook tomato paste. Of course, the tomato paste bought from the store gives a stronger flavour but the cleaner taste one was the homecook version. It's a lot of work though and a lot of tomatoes.

For recipes, I'm now cooking based on recipes by Jamie Oliver. The trick to his bolognese is chopped bacon which he fries until crispy and fresh basil leaves (daun selasih). The bacon is added to the minced beer and basil leaves after adding in the tomatoes.

Other added ingredients are chopped celery and carrots. Gives it an interesting flavour. I add grated parmesan on the day that I eat it.

I usually make a big batch of bolognese and freeze them into smaller portions. Then I just grab what I need for the day.

hehe, now i c the diff. i tot the peeled tomato was in fresh form (not canned). Now i get a better picture. I usually use both fresh and paste together, and tats the reason why i need water to cook those stuff til it become soft.

Yeap, i would alway use oregano and basil and sprinkle those parmesan on top of it. umm ummm

The one with the yogurt wont make the sauce taste sourish ?

Myremi, i tried using carrot before, it sweeten the sauce and the sauce gona have some hint of carrot taste hehe.

Hehe guess we all follow the sunday ritual, pack up food on sunday lol. I usually get those freezer zip bag and pack that big bowl of sauce into 5 small packets and wat i need is to boil the spaghetti while i m taking shower and getting ready and heat up the sauce and pour everything into my lunch box and there goes my lovely meal XD.

And hey, u r using bacon tats not fair XD.



Sarah: i usually have 2 cheat meals on a cheat day, but sometime it could be some tempted i attempted 3 lol.

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Added on July 12, 2010, 10:26 amu dont need whey.

Assume u r taking 6 meals a day:

breakfast 3 eggs
mid - half can of tuna
lunch - meat + vege
mid - meat (or another half can of tuna)
dinner - meat
before bed 3 eggs

100g of meat = 30g of protein. so u only need 50g of meat, tats super little.

This post has been edited by jamis: Jul 12 2010, 10:26 AM

I tried before plain yogurt and I don't quite like the taste, somehow I used to venture recipes by myself and I know mostly aren't that healthy because of the add on stuff like fried bacon and so on. Anyway, I normally cook the garlic or onion with butter, and extra virgin olive oil only for the spaghetti during boiling and after boiling. It will be much nicer as what I think Got some butter smell and taste nice ma

I don't use chicken stock selling outside, instead normally I'll make my own chicken stock

Oh my dear, I had super heavy cheat meal yesterday, plenty of kuih and the dinner, too much of fried stuff!

Today for my breakfast is as like below, very simple;

2 half boiled eggs
1 glass of milk
1 bowl of wholee grain cereal
1 apple
1 cup of green tea


Then lunch I have something like below as I'm too lazy to make anything due to the tiredness and sleepiness;

1 glass of milk
1 bowl of oats
1 apple
2 slice of butterscotch bread
2 half boiled eggs
1 cup of green tea


I'm lazy until I don't even want to move at all for the moment, hence those are the easiest to prepare

Thanks for the guide

today meal.

morning = milk (high calcium) x 1 (i assume it's 250ml box)
lunch = 3 big spoon rice + tauhu telur x1 (don't know what it call in english) + tempe + boil egg
nite = apple + DHL milk

there is a lot of water i drink today.. so tired with work..
Any comment?

This post has been edited by xixo_12: Jul 12 2010, 07:29 PM

My high tea = IKO wheat cookies X 1 pack (2 pieces), a glass of milk, an apple

My early dinner (around 6pm) = 1 bowl of oats, a glass of milk and an apple

Supper (8-9pm) = Ikan bakar with vegetables

Last meal of the day = a glass of milk and an apple

You guys are making me drool with all these healthy cooking recipes!! They sound so delicious!

Bottom line to fat loss when it comes to nutrition is, eat frequently in smaller portions and eat the most natural foods that you can find. Meat, fruits, vegetables and nuts. No processed foods and NO SUGAR!!!

is cardio the only way to reduce fats ??? i mean belly fats ....and chest fats especially....

hi guys i hope im not off topic,i just need help on building my body coz im new to it and dont know when or what protein shakes to take.Im around 162cm and weighs around 58kg,i also have been working out without protein shakes for about 2 months from now and i find it kinda slow.I need recommendation on which brand of protein shakes to take and when to take them(make sure its not those dat can make u gain weight).Make sure those recommended 1 are not the very heavy ones or for those professional bodybuilders coz im still new and i only workout 3-4 times a week when i go to jiu jitsu.

hopefully u guys can help me ! TY!!

@shenshenshen: think you got yourself a little confused here. Burning fat is not so much about what exercises you do, it's the intensity that you put in. Only the right intensity will allow our bodies to raise its metabolism where it releases hormones to break down fat cells. Sounds like you hate cardio - don't blame ya, I do too! LOL. Traditional cardio where ppl mindlessly run/walk on the treadmill is BORING!! But try doing interval training, they are much more challenging and fun (sorta). Hehe..

@ilovePRL: May I ask why you're interested in adding protein to your diet? Protein shakes are only recommended for people that either working out very hard or very frequently to help recovery or they simply do not have enough protein in their daily diet. Just thought I'd raise that to your attention because fitness supplements can sometimes be over rated because everything is claimed to be "needed" just because companies are trying to make more money out of us!! But anyways, to answer your question, go for 100% Whey Protein if you're just looking for something that helps you recover better and get lean. I prefer Optimum for my protein shakes simply because they taste better! Haha!
***Remember, protein does not help you speed up fat loss, it's your workout program, nutrition and lifestyle that matters!

yeah i got your point....normally my definition of cardio is to jog 1 hour on the threadmill on speed 7.5-8 kmph ..... but now i am feeling like its kinda ineffective and i am losing bulk....my Body fat is currently at 19% .....i am in to HIIT now.......its more intense .......do u mean burning belly fats is by doing exercises like ab crunches? cos i feel when i raise the total weight , the reps are harder and my heart race every time i completed a set.

i have been controlling wat i eat alot and have been taking food dat are high in protein but i wanna drink protein shake to get lean so dat my abs will be more obvious .So when do u think is the best time to drink the protein shake and where can i get them?

@shenshenshen: Long jogs will make you loose muscles. I'm not sure how fit you are so it's kinda difficult to suggest exercises for you. Bear in mind that trying to lose "just belly" fat is impossible. Body works as a whole, you can't just bodyfat in one body part only. So I'd suggest you do some full body exercises + ab exercises at the end of your workout. For example: 20 mins - 10 bodyweight squats, 10 pushups, 10 Box Jumps - as many rounds as you can do in 20 mins. After that, do 3 sets of 15 reps of ab crunches on the ball. If you still have some energy after, hop on the treadmill and run some interval sprints. Start with max incline, speed 8 for 20 secs, rest for 10 secs. Repeat for 5 to 8 times. You'll be surprised how difficult this is. Then you're done with your workout! Your workout should not last more than an hour, if it does, that means you're not pushing yourself hard enough during the workout. Good luck!

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Added on July 13, 2010, 8:34 pm@ilovePRL: First, congratulations!!! Sounds like you're very close to getting abs!! That's always very exciting! You'll really need to watch what you eat in order to get abs, carbs are evil when it comes to having abs!!

Best time to take a protein shake is within an hour after an intense workout. This will help build up muscles and recovery. Protein shakes are great as snacks too. I tend to skip heavy dinners myself and have protein shakes with nuts as dinner instead. Late night meals are the killer if you want abs. You can get 100% Whey Protein at GNC outlets - they carry quite a few brands in there.

This post has been edited by sneakerfanatics: Jul 13 2010, 08:34 PM

I have been taking in high protein low carbs diet but why am I putting on weight instead of losing it?

Mind posting exactly what you're eating?

Breakfast = 2 half boiled eggs, a bowl of cereals with milk and almond/nuts/raisins, an apple
Morning snack = whole grain cookies + green tea
Lunch = Lean pork meat + salad (lettuce, onion, cabbage with yogurt as dressing) + 2 hard boiled eggs + milk + an apple
Evening snack = Oats + energy bar/whole grain cookies + milk
Dinner = Chicken salad + yogurt + apple + green tea
Supper = milk

Something similar with that for everyday, and yogurt I use is original plain yogurt, no flavouring My current supplement is Cod liver oil

What kind of milk are you drinking? And plain yogurt, still what kind?

Also I'd avoid cereals and energy bars. Your diet still seem to have quite a lot of carbs.

Anlene milk
the plain yogurt I'm using the sunglo or something like that, I can't remember

Cereals I'm having from the brand Post, I heard it's good though. As for energy bars I'm actually replaced it with wholegrain cookies

Is there still very high carbs? How can I reduce it even more?

This post has been edited by Sarah Angelina: Jul 13 2010, 10:39 PM

how do i know how much protein shake to drink?

This post has been edited by ilovePRL: Jul 13 2010, 11:33 PM

Alert Alert!! Looks like you're constantly having an insulin spike (caused by sugar) throughout your day. Body completely turns off its ability to burn fat once insulin is up - why bother doing all that hard work trying to break up fat cells to get energy when you have insulin that's readily accessible in the body?? This is how the body will speak if it can. Hehe.

Anyways, here's a day-by-day breakdown on your diet:

Breakfast - no cereals please, regardless of what kind it is. Cereals are man-made, it never existed before civilization. Opt for oatmeal instead (I personally don't like it.. Hehe..) I would suggest take out the raisins too as it's high in sugar. My suggestion is to have your eggs, replace your cereals with some kind of meat, a glass of milk/fruitshake w yogurt in it and an apple.
Lunch - Looking good, easy on the dressing please.
Dinner - Looks good with the exception of yogurt.

SNACKS!!! Sorry that I have to capitalize this but unfortunately it's your snacks that made everything difficult!!

No cookies or energy bars please!! Again, SUGAR is FAT LOSS' WORST ENEMY!! Go for some kind of nuts, a fruit shake, a few pieces of fruits or a protein shake.

Try taking out those sugar/insulin spikes out of your day and you'll see what I'm talking about. Don't waste your efforts in the gym with your snack times!! Good luck with everything!!