though united fan, im happy cRon left, should be advantage for you all, less flair in united.
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sorry arsenal. i enjoy watching the team play smooth attacking football. you guys can still win the bpl
though united fan, im happy cRon left, should be advantage for you all, less flair in united. |
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Jun 14 2009, 06:27 PM
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I Cannot See A Place For Me At Arsenal - Philippe Senderos
The Swiss stopper does not appear to be relishing his return to north London... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Robin Van Persie Set For Arsenal Contract Talks The Gunners are hoping to secure the Dutchman's signature on a new deal before he heads off on holiday... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Source: Goal.com/en |
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Jun 14 2009, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(kaka91 @ Jun 14 2009, 03:26 PM) haha thanx for the wishes guys =) sakaito, u too? happy birthday! btw..! happy birthday!TOMAS ROSICKY GETS CHANCE Midfielder will have one more season at Arsenal to prove fitness » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « source: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/3593...ve-fitness.html means if he dun do well next season, bye bye tommy? QUOTE(slcroy @ Jun 14 2009, 04:05 PM) WHAT DA FARK IS HAPPENING? I have this thinking running on my mind right now!"Football has lost it's soul. It has become commodity and tool for political agenda." Ronaldo will earn 106mil pound in wages over a six-year duration as stated in his contract. The first year of earning is 183,000 pound a week and subsequently a 25% of wage increment of the following 5 years of his contract. This will total up to approximately 556,000 pound a week in the final year of the contract! The start of the CR to RM saga will spark a new inflation market in the already inflated modern day football...just like how the price for art boomed in the early 70's. Today, the marketing concept of CR is comparable to value of art by Damien Hirst...one of the richest contemporary artists today and the icon of the Young British Artist movement. I admit both are from different games but were just another products by the elite...it’s a never ending cycle of products after products after products...with prices soaring by millions. People everywhere are trying to emulate their successful path as part of the gimmick. CR ones quoted he's the world best, 2nd and third best... and we thought there's no one else as close to his caliber...after all he's the best as mentioned and words from him were the best, no? With his age, his charismatic demeanour, his envious yet sly grin, his goals in a season, skills, and the trophy he had... some might agree, perhaps he's the best after all.He cost a whooping 80mil pound today, by being the best. but as we look back then, we have at least 10 record breaking transfers in the history of modern day football!! What about them? Are they not the best? Why so many best coming out? To me Irishman George Best is the best coz he's the genuine with the Best surname and the icon for British football. Just we thought this will be the highest transfer fees ever comes into reality (starting to emulate the football games we once played)...barely 100hrs, another so called "better player" of the "world best player" emerge with a speculated record price tag of 90mil pound by his own club! Franck Ribery. This player was backed by a previous "best player of the world", ZZidane, to be HIS "best player of the world". Everyone wants a piece of Ribery and ironically those teams that wants him were rich clubs ruled by the elite for either marketing or political reason. Football is always third behind this...and the media and football business around the world manipulated us and create a smokescreen making us to believe it's actually for the goodness of football. If it's really for football, does price even matter? Why must elite clubs enticing players with their big transfer fees and wages? Why can't players be bound by the terms of the contract signed and only leave when finished serving the club? why can't Portugal hoist the world cup since they have the best in their team? why Bayern was not even in the quarters of CL but have to compete in UEFA Cup since they have the better best in their team? What about Milan with with the once priceless player named Kaka? wht's the bloody point to sign contracts and then to be broken by transfer fees by saying I am homesick, sad and leaving for the better? No other better excuses already? Who can be the defender of the beautiful game now and for the future?? Kaka was quoted once as "priceless"...now? he's onli half of the money paid of RM to Manchester. From "priceless" to "46mil" within a few seasons only is absurd. To me, no one is better and no one is indispensable in modern football. Their value were categorized either by commercial, age and marketing only. Sepp Blatter can even defend the ronaldo saga saying that football is still an attractive BUSINESS despite the global financial turndown. He said, "If we have a good MARKET in football, it means we have a good PRODUCT to sell or to buy. it gives people what they want, and it's emotion and entertainment." He also said "I heard also yesterday that you can buy millions of pieces of bread to give to the people for that amount, but entertainment is also food for the people." This is what the president of the "most beautiful game of the world" said. For the dignity of mankind and the love for sports, football ain't something we sell or buy...football is sports. It supposed to be a healthy thing to do, not the other way around. Some of us here need to work at least a month to get to watch 90min of football at the stadium! In our lifetime, we cannot even earn a day of Ronaldo's new speculated wage! See the ridiculously massive social gap caused by these elite? And he has the cheek to say entertainment is our food? Do we rather throw our support for more bigger transfer market in the future to the clubs we support, worsen the social gap and stop eating? There are people who fight and get humiliated for a piece of bread...and some were in dire hunger even if there's food given to them, they can't even open their mouth to eat, chew and swallow because they have no strength caused by severe malnutrition. What da fark is happening? What if Ronaldo turn out to be a "REAL FLOP" what will Perez do..!! |
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 14 2009, 06:49 PM) btw..! happy birthday! flop in football or flop in the market? i think it has distinctive difference...I have this thinking running on my mind right now! What if Ronaldo turn out to be a "REAL FLOP" what will Perez do..!! i think we can't answer that coz with so much money banked on a single player, they gotta have certain counter-plan ready. And i can assure you with only 1 season his appearances and all marketing value will rake in more in return. |
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QUOTE(joe405 @ Jun 14 2009, 06:27 PM) I Cannot See A Place For Me At Arsenal - Philippe Senderos News of The World is known for B.S.ing.The Swiss stopper does not appear to be relishing his return to north London... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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I don't think he will be a flop at Real. He's too good a player to be a flop, BUT, i think he won't shine as brightly as he did in Man Utd. Lets face it, he's played his best football in Man Utd and he's had 3 super seasons in which he won titles in every one of them. This season, he's had a slight blip in form, not scoring that many goals, tho still 20+ goals.
As for his price, i don't see any reason why there's complain. If Real thinks he's that good, they have every right to spend that kinda money but trust me, Real will milk every single penny out of his marketing ability. |
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Jun 14 2009, 08:32 PM
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Jun 14 2009, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(slcroy @ Jun 14 2009, 07:25 PM) flop in football or flop in the market? i think it has distinctive difference... More in flop in football, performance, skill!i think we can't answer that coz with so much money banked on a single player, they gotta have certain counter-plan ready. And i can assure you with only 1 season his appearances and all marketing value will rake in more in return. it's bad to wish something like that to other ppl, but certainly not a crime! |
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Jun 14 2009, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 14 2009, 10:30 PM) More in flop in football, performance, skill! actually i am in line with u. what will perez do if CR flops? it's bad to wish something like that to other ppl, but certainly not a crime! i think if he raked in enough revenue for the money spent on CR...either he sits on the bench n think about how to not flop during his presidency and get back to the money generating ways or sell him off b4 his value depletes... Added on June 14, 2009, 10:47 pm QUOTE(giotto @ Jun 14 2009, 08:25 PM) I don't think he will be a flop at Real. He's too good a player to be a flop, BUT, i think he won't shine as brightly as he did in Man Utd. Lets face it, he's played his best football in Man Utd and he's had 3 super seasons in which he won titles in every one of them. This season, he's had a slight blip in form, not scoring that many goals, tho still 20+ goals. hhmm... u may have a point there...but season has not started yet so i cant comment on it. besides players like Kaka and Villa and existing players will try to outshine each other as well... and benched prominent players may also fight for their place.As for his price, i don't see any reason why there's complain. If Real thinks he's that good, they have every right to spend that kinda money but trust me, Real will milk every single penny out of his marketing ability. as for me besides zidane and luis figo who were brought in n shone in RM, the once glorious players then flops were gonna be: jonathan woodgate michael owen tomas gravesen david beckham emmanuel petit nikolas anelka jose antonio reyes julio baptista robinho i just touched on players bought over from outside only. i dont wanna comment on the previous and existing RM's spanish players. and also those players i mentioned were flops in RM and not necessarily flop before and after they were in RM. This post has been edited by slcroy: Jun 14 2009, 10:47 PM |
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aih... this is arsenal thread!! dowan talk RM ler... ehehehe... for whatever reason, Perez already got his men... and still lurking for some others. i just wish if he did put in a bid for clichy, it'll be in the 15M++. ehehehe..
what i want is to see our team grow and gel together next season. I believe we have a good core and most of the youngsters should learn from their experiences and disappointment this season. We've got some experience players coming back from injury, Rosicky, Gallas and Eduardo. Heck i think we'll be fine. I don't really think we need to buy someone established but a good backup is a must. Silvestre isn't exactly a good back up. Vermaelen is a very interesting addition if he indeed comes to Arsenal. If we do sign him, i'd say close the check book and start thinking about this coming season. Yes, i do think we need just 1 signing. Vermaelen can play all across the defence and can be upgraded to DM. I think Denilson and Song will continue to grow and will be competing for a spot on the 1st team. Rosicky should be back, that'll be interesting. Diaby will find his way on the bench again and i do hope the lad saw the error of his ways. Heck, we'll have one of the best midfield in EPL, technically. we got Cesc, Arshavin, Nasri, Rosicky, Denilson, Song, Eboue, Walcott, Ramsey. Traore, Senderos and Clichy will return to the team. I believe AW will keep Traore in the team this year and loan out Gibbs. He'll also promote Wilshere to the bench, along with Randall. I hope he'll bring Simpson and Watts into the bench too. What i can't wait about next season? Carling CUP! ahahaha.. i wanna see the kids again... and this time they better be good! it's been 2 years already they played the tourney and got quite far. I wanna see we go all the way to the finals. Next season? Our 1st team must win something. Be it FA Cup or EPL or ECL. Either one of these will do. If not, we might see an exodus. |
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QUOTE(sakaito @ Jun 14 2009, 11:54 PM) aih... this is arsenal thread!! dowan talk RM ler... ehehehe... for whatever reason, Perez already got his men... and still lurking for some others. i just wish if he did put in a bid for clichy, it'll be in the 15M++. ehehehe.. Eh me gunner ler...but it thought the stuff is worth a read...what i want is to see our team grow and gel together next season. I believe we have a good core and most of the youngsters should learn from their experiences and disappointment this season. We've got some experience players coming back from injury, Rosicky, Gallas and Eduardo. Heck i think we'll be fine. I don't really think we need to buy someone established but a good backup is a must. Silvestre isn't exactly a good back up. Vermaelen is a very interesting addition if he indeed comes to Arsenal. If we do sign him, i'd say close the check book and start thinking about this coming season. Yes, i do think we need just 1 signing. Vermaelen can play all across the defence and can be upgraded to DM. I think Denilson and Song will continue to grow and will be competing for a spot on the 1st team. Rosicky should be back, that'll be interesting. Diaby will find his way on the bench again and i do hope the lad saw the error of his ways. Heck, we'll have one of the best midfield in EPL, technically. we got Cesc, Arshavin, Nasri, Rosicky, Denilson, Song, Eboue, Walcott, Ramsey. Traore, Senderos and Clichy will return to the team. I believe AW will keep Traore in the team this year and loan out Gibbs. He'll also promote Wilshere to the bench, along with Randall. I hope he'll bring Simpson and Watts into the bench too. What i can't wait about next season? Carling CUP! ahahaha.. i wanna see the kids again... and this time they better be good! it's been 2 years already they played the tourney and got quite far. I wanna see we go all the way to the finals. Next season? Our 1st team must win something. Be it FA Cup or EPL or ECL. Either one of these will do. If not, we might see an exodus. |
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u not gunner la... you're a gooner. ehehe
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Jun 15 2009, 12:19 AM
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hahaha... fans = gooners...
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Jun 15 2009, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE(slcroy @ Jun 15 2009, 12:19 AM) but wht i am trying to say is that football is a business... the soul is gone.it used to be 10 million to purchase good players...then 30 million...then 40 million...the average have been going up ever since... now if Man U wants Ribery, it's 90 million. Small clubs r really dying man...no pride no loyalty no nothing with these lads already. such a big gap now between the top four in england and spain and italy with the other teams in the same league already. Tht's why i am sad... The footballing world wont be producing anymore bergkamp, keane, batistuta, gerrard, raul, maldini... i hope u guys think about this and dun go against me now...observe what is going on first and how the rich play their games and how we the poor r indirectly earning for them and working for them... i read this quote and i think it's a good one "The problem with us is we rather be an ignorant of the impending danger and live the life that's design for us than getting to know the truth and do something bout it". |
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cesc assisted and scored for spain ! hurrah !
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Jun 15 2009, 09:34 AM
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good for cesc, i just hope he wont e burned out by the time the confed cup is over.
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QUOTE(slcroy @ Jun 15 2009, 12:35 AM) but wht i am trying to say is that football is a business... the soul is gone. that is why AW keep stressing that Football is a business, not a playtoy. Some of these people are using clubs for personal enjoyment and personal gain. That's what sad about it. it used to be 10 million to purchase good players...then 30 million...then 40 million...the average have been going up ever since... now if Man U wants Ribery, it's 90 million. Small clubs r really dying man...no pride no loyalty no nothing with these lads already. such a big gap now between the top four in england and spain and italy with the other teams in the same league already. Tht's why i am sad... The footballing world wont be producing anymore bergkamp, keane, batistuta, gerrard, raul, maldini... i hope u guys think about this and dun go against me now...observe what is going on first and how the rich play their games and how we the poor r indirectly earning for them and working for them... i read this quote and i think it's a good one "The problem with us is we rather be an ignorant of the impending danger and live the life that's design for us than getting to know the truth and do something bout it". in this case, the fans are the one to blame too. We always shouts for new blood... new players... established players... yet we fail to see what's been going on behind the scene. The youth.. the academy... the scouting. Admit it, Perez did what he promised the fans he would do... that is to bring back the galacticos. We can't blame him for paying over the odds for players. RM has been known for doing so. Yet, this time it's a little bit more complicated because of the economic crisis. People are saying CR not worth 80M. How can u know? Beckham signed a deal with Galaxy to the tune of USD250M, yet no one question him. This is because Beckham is a well known public figure and you'll know he'll attracts more income to the club, and possibly ignite a soccer revolution across the US. Same can be said about Ronaldo. Sure he's thinking about his own pocket for the time being but he's 24... he got at least 6 years to prove his worth 80M. when u think about it, that's about what 13.3M per season. Hah.. peanuts la if you ask Real Madrid. Superstars come and go... maybe we won't see anymore bergy, keano, batistuta and the rest... but there are some good and upcoming stars. Torres, Cesc, Casillas, Pato, Eduardo, Macheda, Tevez.. just to name a few. There are always newcomers and will rise to stardom. Big gap between the top teams and the rest of the league? well.. as i see it, the gap is closing in more and more each year. As like players, teams also come and go. Who would've thought Boro and Newcastle will be relegated? Who'd bet Hull and Stoke will survive? Who in the whole germany would say that Wolfzburg will win Bundesliga and will be doing it in style? it takes a bit of luck, and a whole lot of hard work to get to where they are. That's why $$ is not the only answer to success. Looking all across Europe, i'd say the competition is healthy. More domestic leagues producing better and challenging teams. Teams like Shaktar, Zenit, Fenerbache are inching closer and closer to EPL standards. Teams from Italy, Spain and Portugal have high standards and high ambitions. anyway, these big time spending must be put to a stop. We gotta have some sort of cap to reduce the effect. Actually, UK gov tried that.. they increase the tax..but this backfire because other countries took advantage and didn't increase their tax. So, back to square one. huhuhu i wonder how much MU will be taxed for the sale of CR? From what i see, it'll be one interesting season we'll have for 09/10. Here hoping Arsenal will come out on top by May 2010. |
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QUOTE(sakaito @ Jun 15 2009, 02:15 PM) that is why AW keep stressing that Football is a business, not a playtoy. Some of these people are using clubs for personal enjoyment and personal gain. That's what sad about it. To me football is a sports, not a business, not a playtoy, not a tool, not merchandise, not acquisition, not something cool... from the big elite firm and politic should mix in it...no one has the rights to determine the price of each player and certainly not hiking it and lay a foundation for other players to either match 80 million or close to it.in this case, the fans are the one to blame too. We always shouts for new blood... new players... established players... yet we fail to see what's been going on behind the scene. The youth.. the academy... the scouting. Admit it, Perez did what he promised the fans he would do... that is to bring back the galacticos. We can't blame him for paying over the odds for players. RM has been known for doing so. Yet, this time it's a little bit more complicated because of the economic crisis. People are saying CR not worth 80M. How can u know? Beckham signed a deal with Galaxy to the tune of USD250M, yet no one question him. This is because Beckham is a well known public figure and you'll know he'll attracts more income to the club, and possibly ignite a soccer revolution across the US. Same can be said about Ronaldo. Sure he's thinking about his own pocket for the time being but he's 24... he got at least 6 years to prove his worth 80M. when u think about it, that's about what 13.3M per season. Hah.. peanuts la if you ask Real Madrid. Superstars come and go... maybe we won't see anymore bergy, keano, batistuta and the rest... but there are some good and upcoming stars. Torres, Cesc, Casillas, Pato, Eduardo, Macheda, Tevez.. just to name a few. There are always newcomers and will rise to stardom. Big gap between the top teams and the rest of the league? well.. as i see it, the gap is closing in more and more each year. As like players, teams also come and go. Who would've thought Boro and Newcastle will be relegated? Who'd bet Hull and Stoke will survive? Who in the whole germany would say that Wolfzburg will win Bundesliga and will be doing it in style? it takes a bit of luck, and a whole lot of hard work to get to where they are. That's why $$ is not the only answer to success. Looking all across Europe, i'd say the competition is healthy. More domestic leagues producing better and challenging teams. Teams like Shaktar, Zenit, Fenerbache are inching closer and closer to EPL standards. Teams from Italy, Spain and Portugal have high standards and high ambitions. anyway, these big time spending must be put to a stop. We gotta have some sort of cap to reduce the effect. Actually, UK gov tried that.. they increase the tax..but this backfire because other countries took advantage and didn't increase their tax. So, back to square one. huhuhu i wonder how much MU will be taxed for the sale of CR? From what i see, it'll be one interesting season we'll have for 09/10. Here hoping Arsenal will come out on top by May 2010. big gap not only with the teams...but socio economy...we are not slave. we have been psycho to be the product to champion to the masses for the love of football and our favourite club without realizing that everything is function by elitism, corporate and money now. We love arsenal and arsenal is a football club and today we were forced to make a choice to support all these madness not even related to football but money and power just to prove we love arsenal and football? If one day football is just another brand...just like something we do everyday...will we even care and appreciate it like before? or football is a brand and it gets more and more expensive and it goes further away from us and becomes a plaything for the rich...how bout that? And Mr. Blatter can say with millions we can buy millions of bread and football is food?? football aint food for the mouth but a smokescreen of food to the mind...we have been consuming so much of nonsense and now the evil consumer strategy have slipped into football...tickets have been soaring high...we are so crazy that some matches were so expensive we have to search for streaming to watch...wht's all these? He meant football can make use full? yes, perhaps he'll be full and all the rich will be full...and we are the fools. the transfer saga is something blown out of proportion...it used to be a choice it's either something u wanna be in it or u dont. but it has been forced upon into our daily lives already. and everyone...everyone embarked in the frenzy of football... I ask u, can't football survive if politics, money, power, image merchandising plays a part? It can. It came a long way to tell us football survives. sports wont die without big big hype...stay moderate and honest like what it has done in the past. onli to the last ten years...it has gradually becomes a brand. Suddenly everyone is talking bout ronaldo, real madrid, manchester united... it has become a trend...it has no more soul... nothing to look forward to except who buys which club, who move here...who move there...how much here, how much there...the ignorant onli knows these...so many fake people out there buying the top clubs jersey bcoz it's a brand. we know it. start talking bout "wah, din know football also can make so much money...if i know early early i support already la!" have u ever thought why suddenly non-fans and glory hunters were interested in football?...becoz it has become investment. they dun hell care wht is football and even how it's played...they wanna make money that's it. So much have been said to protect the young african, latin and all non-eu players moving around from the age of 15...just hit puberty and they have become money spinning tool of the rich...and when they can't develope in time for the big game, they were sold to smaller clubs...their mental state will have so much tremendous effects. onli a selective few made it to the top... Perez say bring back the galacticos? if he is sincere, why must wait till his presidency election? those r not his galacticos...those were people's galacticos and he purchase them and glorify the purchase and stamp them with eternity to play onli for RM and no one else...unless u wanna buy my players prepare it wont come cheap or after my presidency, is that it?...galacticos r in the backyard of a club...they r the homegrown, pillar, report-card and the future of the managers...with caliber. good managers and coaches produced good galacticos... 5 of my frens...spurs die-hard, liverpool john barnes era, man u kanchelskis era both arsenal have called it quits. they have been staunch fans for the past 10-15yrs. Their rooms make me feel football, the loyalty, the history even stronger than the fake media-hyped brand of modern football world outside. They have quit the "cigarette" as a form of a silence protest for their passion for football. They r glad to be a part of the old school football and they have no regrets at all. I will too. This post has been edited by slcroy: Jun 15 2009, 04:05 PM |
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