interested to know also.

i was thinking to mix pb and pc.

which subwoofer for youtube video ??? i found PB13-Ultra hehe i will give link soon

yah i need Ported then Sealed but logitech Z-5500 also got Ported too
SVS PB13-Ultra still no good for playing music ???
other subwoofer can't get hard to get good quality
HTkaki SVS PB13-Ultra if set sealed mode to play music songs how is quality ???
still bad or not

Bro logit,

Why potted sub? Music use must sealed sub to give definition better and bass tight with precise pace.

I can say that PB13-Ultra cannit match performance Submersive for music. Logitech Z5500 got potted and woofer as big as tennis ball so bass not good.

[quote=htkaki,Dec 20 2009, 09:06 AM]
why cabut? LOL...

To set record straight, I had never claimed it is the best . The top ought to be ED A7-900 and followed by Epik Conquest. I think Seaton Submersive should be a close second. In local scene, it could be Paradigm Sub25. I used to have high regards for Paradigm esp the Servo 15.

As you have space constraint, the F113 is the sub to look for, which I did mention earlier . Btw, I thought you are die-hard DD-12 fan ( http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1120113/+180 ) since you had only audition it Bro, do let me know when you had purchased the F113. May I bring the 13-Ultra for a side-by-side comparison if you allow? Just want to know how far the Ultra is losing out since F113 won many awards. And if got B&W PV1, much better. The Sub of The Year winner and most importantly, it has won WHF Award for best high end sub for SIX years since 2004 (since awards matter to you)

Sorry boss for replaying late.
Haha afraid being hantam by you
Submersive?should check the website or avs forum later since I had never heard this brand before.
Since you have mentioned it earlier it should be a good brand too.
Yea.Paradigm sub is good but I never listen to it before.
And I never audition the DD12 before since A&L puchong and amcorp mall never had one.
Maybe sold out or waiting for the new DD series.
But hey boss,for your opinion,which sub better(not SVS sub) in btw Velodyne DD12 and JL Audio F113?
And not to say award la.Depends also what sub that win the award
And i just auditioned a REL sub last week at CMY at balakong.
The bass sounds like very (lembik).
Not that punchy and the price is quite expensive.
If im not wrong their list price is RM9K++
Or maybe REL sub is meant for music since CMY sell more equipments for music only.
And sure bro,when I find out which sub is suitable for me,and maybe I will allowed you to had a shootout
And btw Merry Christmas.

This post has been edited by benben79: Dec 25 2009, 01:46 AM

Hehe.... if you ask me, for sure it would be the F113 and not DD12 for a compact sub.

+1

taukeh got F113 ar? support! +100

Yes. RELs are more towards music listeners.
In fact, I have heard of people pairing LS3/5a with a pair of RELs to cover the bass.

For movies, RELs do not come close to either JL Audio or SVS. Not enough oooomph..
But why DD12? Same league with the f113 meh?

Nope don't have F113. Just supporting htkaki's opinion that F113 should be better than DD12.

that one no brainer.. only ah beng would put them in same class comparison..

DD12 can't even match F113. Why benben not consider Paradigm Sub25 if you looking for serious performance like logit??
http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/subwo...7-4-20.paradigm
I believe sub 25 should be 20k in Malaysia.
When you get it, you can post FR graph for Logit

or Z5500

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Added on December 25, 2009, 11:27 amyour link above.. open only got this post:
[JL Audio's] Fathom f113 has been displaced in my mind by a subwoofer that I think is clearly superior: The Paradigm Sub25 ... which I heard in the same room as the f113, played noticeably deeper and cleaner than the f113. The Sub25 is simply a monster, but a monster that has agility and finesse too." fuyoh!

This post has been edited by ar188: Dec 25 2009, 11:27 AM

Paradigm Sub25 but not ported too sealed only
SVS PB13-Ultra wont making boom boom high output too i think bad
JL F113 also no ported

easy.... just buy a port and into drill it. Make sure drill no driver. Pot or not pot, Sub25 very powderful.

Taukeh ar, still waiting for you to drop by .

no need sub25 very powerful but hard to check price
if i take SVS PB13-Ultra wont making boom boom high output like boom very louder
htkaki i did pm u u did see picture look ported

PB13 hot run +6db boom boom sure loud loud
PB13 3 ports come with, 20hz mode, boom boom very loud 110db

do u sure if take two PB13 will be more more boom boom very loud over 120db above ???
mpyw u got PB13 ??? u did try playing music songs still good or bad

But HT kaki,do you listen to DD12 or F113 before?
How do you know DD12 would lose to F113?
If you listen to it before maybe I would consider your opinion.
But sounds very wrong here if you just judge a subwoofer performance by just reading graph and spec.
Maybe still we must listen to it only we make a conclusion here

And between,if F113 edge out DD12 maybe DD15 still can win F113
F113 is around rm13k plus and which I think a little more expensive than DD12.
But DD15 should be around rm15k plus
If i choose expensive sub,maybe i will decrease the budget for speakers
If not later BINI

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Added on December 28, 2009, 12:20 am20K for Paradigm sub?
NO
My budget for subwoofer is around rm12k till rm14k.
Hopefully not more than rm15k.
If not,need to eat nasi bungkus for few months

This post has been edited by benben79: Dec 28 2009, 12:20 AM

Haha..... I have nothing to say on that if you are a die-hard Velo fan .

Probably, you think that I am those guy who only base on graphs and typically awards to judge a sub . I have not listen to F113 pitted against DD-12 . But, F113 stills has an upper edge on tautness and better control at lower HZ range. It is also cleaner too.

Just bring the Terminator Salvation BD to both shops. Ask them to get it tune to 75dB on SPL Meter to match the front speaker (They tend to run it hot). Test it out the 7-11 scene (Chapter 9?) and the scene where they escape. And also other BDs that you are familiar with. Oh yes, before I forgot. Both rooms are different. There will be a certain degree of variance. Test it out at -16 to -12dB off the ref level. You tell me the result

Frankly speaking, if you are going for a RM13K sub, please do make abt similar allocation for the speakers or more. It deserves a better spkr sys to match it. Please get higher midrange avr too. Probably LX-82, 4310, or similar category or higher.

To add more here would be seemingly bias for some ppl due to my position . There is a guy who did audition quite a number of subs. Nadky did audition the F113, REL, and so forth. I am not sure whether he has auditioned the Velo before. He might be in a better position to comment than me as some people tend to 'shut their minds' on my comments that do not please them or seemingly not what they intend to read

This post has been edited by htkaki: Dec 28 2009, 12:37 AM

wow you got so many fansi ask for sub opinion.. must have your hands full.. hahaha!