No I think they have online support to help you diagnose the problem then they will send the replacement part to you, but you have to DIY repair.

Yeah, room acoustics play a huge role in perceived sound quality. 20k worth of equipment in a poor room can sound worse than 10k equipment in a good room.

RM1500 for used 12R is worth considering IMO. Find out how old it is and test kaw kaw first. I think sub rarely got problem, and at least the shop is giving 6 months warranty.

I wonder how long is Velo warranty in MY. In US the warranty on drivers is five years, the warranty on all amplifiers and electronics is three years. But outside US they say "The warranty of a Velodyne product, if it is sold to a consumer outside of the United States or Canada, shall comply with applicable law and shall be the sole responsibility of the distributor that supplied the product. To obtain any applicable warranty service, please contact the dealer from which you purchased the product, or the distributor that supplied it."

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Added on May 22, 2009, 11:01 amI think 12Q back in stock already.

This post has been edited by jchong: May 22 2009, 11:01 AM

Uhh... up or down? I think price remains the same.

There is more price variation depending on where you buy (I got quoted from 2.8k - 3.2k for the 12Q at 3 different shops) and how much you can bargain.

You're correct, there are quite a number of people on LYN who sell paypal below USD market rate. You can do COD or if you think the seller is trustworthy then all can do online. I've traded paypal with several people before (to the tune of over USD1000 altogether) and it's been painless.

lightning69 can't use the learning method because his sub did not come with the remote control.

Sure let us know more info about the MO when u find out. I'm kinda on the fence but if you can get big discount then that would persuade me.

This is locally organised MO or via Singapore?

Excellent! Looking forward to your update.

The Poor-Man's Subdude

The talk about the Subdude made me experiment with DIY my own since I discovered I had some material lying around. Really all u need is 2 items: the platform and the feet.

For the platform you need something rigid. I remembered I had a piece of 2'x2' 20mm granite slab spare. You can also get MDF board or plywood, etc. But the real key item is the feet. How do I know this - because I first experimented with just putting the granite slab on the floor and the sub on it. Not much effect since nothing to absorb the vibrations (the granite is after all very hard).

For the feet I remembered that the packaging foam that came with the FCC 2 was a very firm/dense type. It's not styrofoam (too hard) nor the usual type of foam (too soft & airy). So I placed 2 pieces under the granite. The result: sub is less boomy now, bass is tighter, my plaster ceiling rattles less. In fact I'm able to turn up my sub volume. Previously volume at 35 was the threshold before ceiling rattles. Now can push to 40, so can enjoy louder! This validates the effect of the real Subdude and also demonstrates that it can be DIY easily (of course I'm not saying my DIY version is as good as the real thing). The key is to find the right foam.

Here's the pic of my poor-man's Subdude:

Thanks, but there is no real skill involved. Just have to find the materials, put platform on top of foam and that's it.

If skill comes in, it would be to beautify the thing. Like sewing fabric to cover the foam/platform. That's one reason why I'm happy I found the granite platform - it looks good as is, no need to beautify some more. If I had chosen MDF board, it would be more plain.

This post has been edited by jchong: May 25 2009, 07:03 PM

Great!

Anyway, this is called competition mah so consumers benefit.

You mean those wooden vegetable cutting board? Good idea.

Do you find those silicon feet provide enough isolation, compared to a big piece of foam underneath? I'm thinking what to experiment with next.

Ingenious idea. That's what makes us a community of enthusiasts.

You've done a lot already. To fill up the 20 pcs is not your responsibility. The opportunity you already provided, if not enough people take this chance then too bad.

Anyone know pricing for SPL series?

If want a sealed sub SVS have the SB12-Plus

This post has been edited by jchong: May 29 2009, 12:17 AM

I wonder how the SPL compares to the SVS SB12-Plus?

If come in via MO, I think the SB12-Plus maybe around 3.5k.

Better stay away. Already my wallet feeling itchy If come really no antidote.

Thanks for the pricing info.

Which model of SPL do you own? Yeah, a test between your SPL and the SVS would be great.

Hello Yk Ng,

Thanks for posting and welcome to LYN (I see you just joined today). I find your post a little confusing because I don't know what exactly is the message you are trying to convey.

I agree with you that ideally we should demo a product before buying it. However, I don't agree that you need 'real studio facilities' in order to do the demo. Firstly, how can we find such a studio in Malaysia? Even if there was such a studio would the results be applicable to your home room? I think as long as the room variable is kept constant, you can do a meaningful comparison between 2 subwoofers.

Even if you look at professional equipment reviews, I think the review is done in the reviewers own home/room (not a studio).



By reading this it seems to me that you're suggesting that reading on forums is good enough and just because people are discussing brands like Jl Audio Fathom, Sun Fire, Rel or Velodyne that you can assume they are "one of the best subwoofer brand company in the world". I'm sure if you read enough, other brands like Hsu, SVS, Epic, etc. are also positively discussed on many forums.



You don't have to believe it. That's why a shootout is being organized so people can listen for themselves. Sure the testing ground isn't a 'real studio facilities' but it is a real life example of a typical room (the kind that most people have). And at least the tester has a SPL meter so both subs can be set at same output for fair comparison. As far as practicality is concerned this is ok.



You can check out the subwoofer owner's list on the preceding pages. This is not a full list by the way since it is up to owner's to voluntarily disclose.

This post has been edited by jchong: May 30 2009, 03:49 PM

Just to clarify, the shootout isn't done by me.

Also hard for it to be done in a professional way since none of us are professionals in this area so we wouldn't have the necessary equipment, except for our ears

Yeah, technical support is an issue for products not represented locally. That has to be understood by the buyer. If not prepared for this then I agree that a person shouldn't buy from overseas.

I think just 1/2" overhang on each side is ok. Try first, otherwise time to upgrade!