With the rapidly increasing auditions that I had, I have the chance to listen to a lot more setups
Now, I want to audition the Submersive as this is the new benchmark (apart from Sub 25)
The Official Subwoofer Thread v2, Everything you need to know about bass!
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Dec 28 2009, 12:51 AM
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Boss, ain't easy task lah
With the rapidly increasing auditions that I had, I have the chance to listen to a lot more setups Now, I want to audition the Submersive as this is the new benchmark (apart from Sub 25) |
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Dec 28 2009, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Dec 28 2009, 12:34 AM) Haha..... I have nothing to say on that if you are a die-hard Velo fan Probably, you think that I am those guy who only base on graphs and typically awards to judge a sub Just bring the Terminator Salvation BD to both shops. Ask them to get it tune to 75dB on SPL Meter to match the front speaker (They tend to run it hot). Test it out the 7-11 scene (Chapter 9?) and the scene where they escape. And also other BDs that you are familiar with. Oh yes, before I forgot. Both rooms are different. There will be a certain degree of variance. Test it out at -16 to -12dB off the ref level. You tell me the result Frankly speaking, if you are going for a RM13K sub, please do make abt similar allocation for the speakers or more. It deserves a better spkr sys to match it. Please get higher midrange avr too. Probably LX-82, 4310, or similar category or higher. To add more here would be seemingly bias for some ppl due to my position I think it is a THX certified movie and THX cinema too. Their bass was so deep and strong. Enough to shake my heart inside Never know bluray also so geng! Awesome And most probably im going for PSB speaker. If budget enough,maybe for the Synchrony TWO(not one since it is expensive) Or if really been poisened 99 and the price btw Synchrony 1 and 2 is not that far apart,then I will go for Synchrony One. And im looking for a pre and power combo set up. No need to upgrade anymore And Mark Levinson price is enough to left a big hole on my wallet and bank account. So maybe Rotel or NAD. I tested the Pioneer LX82 before at Desa Home theatre. A very powerful and awesome amplifier too Nadky? Maybe should pm him. And FYI,I never think negatively about you. And seriously la Taukeh,by the way you explain things about HT gears I know you are a very professional taukeh. And again,if you are a JL Audio,Sunfire or Velo distributor,I would happily buy it from you |
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Dec 28 2009, 01:06 AM
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What you are looking for is a compact subwoofer, which I am sorry that I do not have one to suit your preference.
I am not a pro, for the record Once you had it all setup, would you allow me to audition it? I will bring the 13-Ultra along. You must be a reg cust at A&L. I had auditioned the PSB Synchrony 1 recently. Will go there again once it is being fine tuned. |
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Dec 28 2009, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Dec 28 2009, 01:06 AM) What you are looking for is a compact subwoofer, which I am sorry that I do not have one to suit your preference. Nevermind taukeh,its okay no need to sorry.I am not a pro, for the record Once you had it all setup, would you allow me to audition it? I will bring the 13-Ultra along. You must be a reg cust at A&L. I had auditioned the PSB Synchrony 1 recently. Will go there again once it is being fine tuned. LOL you are a pro by the way you explain. And between my house is still under renovation. Should be ready before CNY and yes you are always welcome when everything is ready. Im not a regular customer. Just that A&L had every gears that I interested. While AV Designs and Perfect Hifi selling all expensive brands. CMY more on music. Thats why I had to look around for a suitable and affordable system. PSB synchrony one How was it? |
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Dec 28 2009, 07:58 AM
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I'm worried about insects/household lizards getting inside the bass port. Any solutions?
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Dec 28 2009, 10:30 AM
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Dec 28 2009, 11:23 AM
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Dec 28 2009, 11:28 AM
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Dec 28 2009, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE I think it is a THX certified movie and THX cinema too. Their bass was so deep and strong. Enough to shake my heart inside Never know bluray also so geng! Awesome With bluray I think it is possible to equal or even exceed the cinema experience if you have sufficient budget. With good equipment, good room and good setup it's possible. QUOTE And most probably im going for PSB speaker. If budget enough,maybe for the Synchrony TWO(not one since it is expensive) Or if really been poisened 99 and the price btw Synchrony 1 and 2 is not that far apart,then I will go for Synchrony One. And im looking for a pre and power combo set up. No need to upgrade anymore And Mark Levinson price is enough to left a big hole on my wallet and bank account. So maybe Rotel or NAD. I tested the Pioneer LX82 before at Desa Home theatre. A very powerful and awesome amplifier too Looks like your HT room will shape up nicely. The PSB Synchrony is a very nice speaker. It definitely deserves a power amp to drive it well. I agree that a pre/pro and power combo is the way to go for you. |
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Dec 28 2009, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Dec 28 2009, 11:30 AM) With bluray I think it is possible to equal or even exceed the cinema experience if you have sufficient budget. With good equipment, good room and good setup it's possible. Boss you tested the PSB Synchrony One before?Looks like your HT room will shape up nicely. The PSB Synchrony is a very nice speaker. It definitely deserves a power amp to drive it well. I agree that a pre/pro and power combo is the way to go for you. Any comment? Went to Amcorp Mall on last Saturday. They demoing the PSB Synchrony with Densen Audio mono. The sound was so sweet and detail. And their bass is very strong for a floorstander size like this. But for HT setup,what do you think bro? |
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Dec 28 2009, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(benben79 @ Dec 28 2009, 12:21 PM) Boss you tested the PSB Synchrony One before? I have listened to PSB Synchrony One briefly before... can't say I've tested it. Good bass, clear mids and treble. Yes I think it would also be suitable for HT use.Any comment? Went to Amcorp Mall on last Saturday. They demoing the PSB Synchrony with Densen Audio mono. The sound was so sweet and detail. And their bass is very strong for a floorstander size like this. But for HT setup,what do you think bro? |
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Dec 28 2009, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(benben79 @ Dec 28 2009, 12:15 AM) But HT kaki,do you listen to DD12 or F113 before? bro, i have also not tested both DD12 and F113 and certain not a pro too.. but there was a respected sub guru called craigsub from tweakcity who tested almost all the best subs available at that time, he had placed DD18 on top of his list until F113 was launched and took the top spot. Afterthat many more new subs overtook DD18 too. How do you know DD12 would lose to F113? If you listen to it before maybe I would consider your opinion. But sounds very wrong here if you just judge a subwoofer performance by just reading graph and spec. Maybe still we must listen to it only we make a conclusion here And between,if F113 edge out DD12 maybe DD15 still can win F113 F113 is around rm13k plus and which I think a little more expensive than DD12. But DD15 should be around rm15k plus If i choose expensive sub,maybe i will decrease the budget for speakers If not later BINI Added on December 28, 2009, 12:20 am20K for Paradigm sub? NO My budget for subwoofer is around rm12k till rm14k. Hopefully not more than rm15k. If not,need to eat nasi bungkus for few months i know craigsub's opinion should only be used as a guideline but DD12 is clearly not in the same league. Maybe u should try DD18 if u want a fair comparison. Anyway if u r interested u can have a read here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=768150 scroll down and look at post #8 ... F113 is the only 'small' size sub that could hang around with the big boys |
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Dec 28 2009, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Dec 28 2009, 01:53 PM) I have listened to PSB Synchrony One briefly before... can't say I've tested it. Good bass, clear mids and treble. Yes I think it would also be suitable for HT use. Wow.Should go for another demo again. Thanks bro Added on December 28, 2009, 2:41 pm QUOTE(mys_terious @ Dec 28 2009, 02:02 PM) bro, i have also not tested both DD12 and F113 and certain not a pro too.. but there was a respected sub guru called craigsub from tweakcity who tested almost all the best subs available at that time, he had placed DD18 on top of his list until F113 was launched and took the top spot. Afterthat many more new subs overtook DD18 too. Wow as HT KAKI described before.i know craigsub's opinion should only be used as a guideline but DD12 is clearly not in the same league. Maybe u should try DD18 if u want a fair comparison. Anyway if u r interested u can have a read here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=768150 scroll down and look at post #8 ... F113 is the only 'small' size sub that could hang around with the big boys Epik conquest stil one of the best sub. Actually I starting to pay serious attention towards JL f113 now. But AMCORP MALL AV Synergy always close No chance to audition it This post has been edited by benben79: Dec 28 2009, 02:41 PM |
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Dec 28 2009, 05:15 PM
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Benben can ask 'uncle's' permission to audition his sync 1.
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Dec 28 2009, 05:56 PM
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benben79, try to call them before you go : 03 7955 1228
ronald, I paid a visit to Unc Ng on last weekend. Will go there again once everything is ready. I will prepare 'poison' for him. LOL.... |
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Dec 28 2009, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Dec 28 2009, 05:56 PM) benben79, try to call them before you go : 03 7955 1228 With your krell...? ronald, I paid a visit to Unc Ng on last weekend. Will go there again once everything is ready. I will prepare 'poison' for him. LOL.... @ Benben: Other than PSB Sync 1, why not consider Paradigm speakers as well? And on JL F113, other alternative would be EPIK sub direct from US with you huge budget on sub... This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Dec 28 2009, 06:16 PM |
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Dec 28 2009, 10:08 PM
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Krell is nothing lah to a lot of elites here
Seriously, if I have a lot of moolah, I would definitely want to try out SF for movie setup. Palladium would the next step up given money no object. All to be driven by 2 channels power amps. Back to reality. That's aint going to happen in near future, even in a further distant future |
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Dec 29 2009, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Dec 28 2009, 06:12 PM) With your krell...? Yes I am also trying to pay a visit to Asia Sound at Amcorp Mall.@ Benben: Other than PSB Sync 1, why not consider Paradigm speakers as well? And on JL F113, other alternative would be EPIK sub direct from US with you huge budget on sub... But last Saturday they never open Paradigm speakers are good too. If got money,surely I will buy Paradigm Signature S8. But too expensive So maybe Synchrony more suitable. Epik? No la boss. Maybe JL Audio F113 or DD12/DD15 might enough. Since my room is just medium size. Around 14 x 22. And taukeh,a JL Audio F113 suitable for this room size? If one maybe its okay. If two I can;t do anything. 2 sub is veryyyyy expensive. Added on December 29, 2009, 12:22 am QUOTE(htkaki @ Dec 28 2009, 10:08 PM) Krell is nothing lah to a lot of elites here Wow Taukeh.Seriously, if I have a lot of moolah, I would definitely want to try out SF for movie setup. Palladium would the next step up given money no object. All to be driven by 2 channels power amps. Back to reality. That's aint going to happen in near future, even in a further distant future Krell is nothing? A hi end power amp can easily buy a condominium. And if im not wrong its the KRELL FBI But im not a DATUK class,so no need to buy KRELL. SF?Sonus Faber? Though it is meant for music only? And Klipsch Palladium is not cheap. More than 10k USD Added on December 29, 2009, 12:33 am QUOTE(htkaki @ Dec 28 2009, 05:56 PM) benben79, try to call them before you go : 03 7955 1228 Ok boss.ronald, I paid a visit to Unc Ng on last weekend. Will go there again once everything is ready. I will prepare 'poison' for him. LOL.... Don't know why they always close. Selling Hi end stuff such as RUNCO,Meridian and JL Audio also can do business like this I went there 3times including last Saturday but still never open. So ended up at A&L listening to PSB Synchrony One. Really a very awesome speaker. A floorstander speaker below 5k USD can achieve a soundstage like this is really unbelievable. Or maybe their source is good too. And boss you tested the Synchrony One recently also? If for music,try to buy a Chinese Audiophile cd name Paramita. During AV Show 2009,Perfect Hifi use this cd as their demo cd pair with Wilson Audio Sasha,Dcs Scarlatti and Pass lab mono. Can buy a BMW with this set up. And this cd(Paramita)song number 7 is really a suitable music to test speaker bass. Just my opinion.... This post has been edited by benben79: Dec 29 2009, 12:35 AM |
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Dec 29 2009, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE(benben79 @ Dec 29 2009, 12:19 AM) Added on December 29, 2009, 12:22 am Krell is nothing? A hi end power amp can easily buy a condominium. And if im not wrong its the KRELL FBI But im not a DATUK class,so no need to buy KRELL. Wrong impression.. Same as you dont have to be a Datuk to buy a condominium or a BMW. Krell FBI is actually the top level integrated amp and not a power amp. Still, it is not as expensive as a condominium. If you talk about a power amp which can buy you a condominium, I guess that has to be the Krell MRA monoblocks. Just to share..... |
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QUOTE(benben79 @ Dec 29 2009, 12:19 AM) Yes I am also trying to pay a visit to Asia Sound at Amcorp Mall. Paradigm Signature is better and the price is slightly more than Sync 1.But last Saturday they never open Paradigm speakers are good too. If got money,surely I will buy Paradigm Signature S8. But too expensive So maybe Synchrony more suitable. Epik? No la boss. Maybe JL Audio F113 or DD12/DD15 might enough. Since my room is just medium size. Around 14 x 22. And taukeh,a JL Audio F113 suitable for this room size? If one maybe its okay. If two I can;t do anything. 2 sub is veryyyyy expensive. Added on December 29, 2009, 12:22 am Wow Taukeh. Krell is nothing? A hi end power amp can easily buy a condominium. And if im not wrong its the KRELL FBI But im not a DATUK class,so no need to buy KRELL. SF?Sonus Faber? Though it is meant for music only? And Klipsch Palladium is not cheap. More than 10k USD Added on December 29, 2009, 12:33 am Ok boss. Don't know why they always close. Selling Hi end stuff such as RUNCO,Meridian and JL Audio also can do business like this I went there 3times including last Saturday but still never open. So ended up at A&L listening to PSB Synchrony One. Really a very awesome speaker. A floorstander speaker below 5k USD can achieve a soundstage like this is really unbelievable. Or maybe their source is good too. And boss you tested the Synchrony One recently also? If for music,try to buy a Chinese Audiophile cd name Paramita. During AV Show 2009,Perfect Hifi use this cd as their demo cd pair with Wilson Audio Sasha,Dcs Scarlatti and Pass lab mono. Can buy a BMW with this set up. And this cd(Paramita)song number 7 is really a suitable music to test speaker bass. Just my opinion.... NO NO to DD12 or DD15 if I had the budget like yours. F113 is the way to go. You can PM our 'uncle'. He has Sync One in his HT room. |
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