That's right mate, stop being a glory hunter and go support your state team.

Don't be too happy Jonno, read the additional text. Keh keh keh...

FFUUUU. This thread is entertaining. Keep em coming guys.

how come you're just as big as a glory hunter as he is? do you support the same team for the same reason?

not by intention .. no... but its true they got my hard earned money... and i would say its pretty fair deal with the entertainment i got in return.. but i dont align myself to any of them.. if any team wins any match, or if any of their player have a good first touch, or a better crosser or passer of the ball, i wont align myself with that success.... which i would if it was my home-team is playing...

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Jan 28 2011, 04:55 PM

Damn it, I need to laser all my tattoos off and I am in depression now, as I cannot tattoo the Terengganu Crest onto my arm as it has Jawi in it and that would be disrespect to the religion (this discussion / debate is for another day).

Damn damn damn, I think I am going to have a crap CNY, and it's all your fault air-mood!

I think I should pick a team like Tranmere Rovers who is still based in Merseyside but not popular, I suggest that you switch your allegiance to Oldham Athletic mate

The term, "glory hunter" is a term a lot take offence to. Some are, others aren't. "Talking out of your arse" isn't foul language incidentally. Foul language would have been censored. If you mean abusive language then do also take into consideration that one or two on your camp have also done the same.



Don't give yourself so much credit. It isn't hurtful that you are calling anyone who supports a foreign club "glory hunter" because you clearly have your own definition of the term. Your inability to counter arguments posed against you comprimises your credibility. Posters like me are not hurt by your labels as much as we are frustrated at your inability or reluctance to comprehend arguments which I imagine is why you don't counter them, with anything other than a "I don't buy it because that's the way I am" approach.



Hah! Finally you have a point here. I'm against someone who says that if you support a foreign team, you are a glory hunter. Do not however confuse the "real fan" and "glory hunter" arguments. The "glory hunter" argument is posed against fans who jump clubs depending on who is winning. The "real fan" argument is against fans who don't know about their club and who don't think history is important. Saying you are a genuine fan just because you support one club isn't credence enough, you are right here. Everyone claims to be a hardcore fan these days.



This is where your reluctance to accept that there are people who support one club and who have been supporting it for up to 30 years or so, is a glory hunter regardless of why they have remained fans. So if you supported a top club then, and they are shit now, you are not a glory hunter. If they are still a big side now, you are?



No arguments form anyone I believe.



Did you even bother to read all the reasons stated? A lot of people follow other teams. In the past I used to follow Newcastle, Man Utd, Arsenal and West Ham games but there is only one team in my heart. Just because I am a Liverpool fan however doesn't mean I don't like watching the way Arsenal play. You can't however profess your love for two clubs. Do you think it's right to profess your love to two women? No, you pick one, marry her and you work on making your decision right. Please READ and more importantly, UNDERSTAND.

Again, you choose not to understand why so many stay away. How many Chinese do you see go? So all Chinese are unloyal cunts despite our forefathers dying fighting against the communist to protect our shores then? Geeze, the problem is bigger than you make it and just willing for it to go away, isn't going to address the issue.




So you're saying that they same guys aren't sad a tragedy hit their shores? Are you even certain they didn't do something similar just because I didn't bother to google it?

Even if you are right, it is testament to what I've been talking about. That someone can feel a deeper sense of connection to something miles away. You may not comprehend or understand it but it doesn't make it untrue. What I've been trying to do all this while is to make your camp realise and perhaps even be open to the possibility that we may have a point.



Again you fail to understand. I'm not calling someone who supports his local side "katak di bawah tempurung". I'm using that term to describe someone who isn't willing to accept that just because he doesn't know something, doesn't mean it isn't true. I'm using it to describe someone with narrow viewpoints and instead of trying to accept new information, is adverse to it. I'm using it to describe someone who doesn't want to admit that the world is changing amidst globalisation. I've already posted so many examples of how we have already been influenced. I'm NOT using it so describe someone who supports his local team. If you are adamant that I did, please cut and paste my statement and I'll gladly apologise for it.



What I'm saying is that some of us have found that reason. If you haven't fairplay. I have a friend who got me starting to support Liverpool but he doesn't follow the team any longer. If you've lost or never found that reason, then by all means move on. Do not however assume that just because you didn't, everyone else can't.



Which is why fans join fan clubs or even start their own. To be with their like-minded peers. MyRAWK for example started when a group of us met on RAWK (LFCs alternative forum - a UK based one). We gathered for a game and grew it from there.

Yes, there are fans who buy jerseys because they want to be associated to anything cool, even if they don't watch the team play but you cannot lump everyone into one category.



Why do you question those who claim the former?

Yes, and Terengganu lets you watch games for free. Kelantan doesn't sell merchandise.

Your point that we are being suckered by clubs is moot. Why? Do we question the motives of clubs before deciding if we should support them? Should I ask what a beggar is going to do with his money before giving him some? I do so because I want to, because I believe in what I see they stand for. If someone wants to take advantage of that, how does it make me a glory hunter? Don't kid yourself into thinking that no one is in it for the money. You don't local clubs want you in their stadiums simply because they want to see your smiling face? If it were so, your tickets would be free. The MSL can be watched on ASTRO. If they didn't want to make money, why not just leave it on free tv? The EPL has evolved into a major marketing machine. Mark my words when I say our local league is heading in the same direction. Clubs will be privatised, and commercial directors will be brought in. It is already in the motions.

So it's ok for someone who doesn't understand why people support foreign teams to lable them "glory hunters" then? Claiming to know it all when not knowing at all is ok then?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 28 2011, 05:09 PM

I see why you are so adamant about this topic.

Are you, in any chance a fan of Milan and Arsenal? Nice jerseys to be sold down there.

can i say something here? i find it funny where those who support teams abroad, are considered to be not supporting local clubs or national team. Where does this assumption comes from?

i am one of those who believe, if u are born in 1 place then u should have a feeling of affiliation to that team, for example i always think as a Malaysian you should support Malaysian football. Nobody is denying that. It is the same as, if u are born in Madrid then maybe u will support Real Madrid or Atletico. This is the point that Alessandro10 is pointing out mainly, and i agree on this. I am sure many of those debating here also agree.

But i did not say, as a Malaysian you should support Malaysian Football ONLY. If Manchester United were to play Malaysia in a friendly at Bukit Jalil, of course i will want Malaysia to win. But other than that, is there even any possibility that these 2 footballing entity will have a competitive link that makes supporting both of these conflicting? Also, does supporting Manchester United means i am unable to profess the same or greater magnitude of support to Malaysia football?

Also, just because you support Malaysia football doesnt mean u arent a glory hunter as well. Ask around, how many only started supporting the National team after they have won the Suzuki Cup? from the throngs in the airport when they come back, how many are truly there to give a clapping "welcome back", or to be there just to meet "stars"? The many Facebook status updates, how many only started posting "Tanah Tumpahnya Darahku" or "Harimau Malaya" after a successful run which i believe started roughly around the victory over Vietnam? Good for them if they started realizing the joy of supporting local football. But that means they only started supporting because of glory and thus, a glory hunter.

And about affiliate issues, it is not just limited to "where you were born and live". There are many ways of affiliation. Many Koreans support Manchester United and Bolton because their countrymen played for these clubs. In fact, it is their strong support and affiliation to their own countrymen as a mark of patriotism that leads to them supporting these overseas clubs. So how can you tell me, you cant support both local and foreign entity?

my key word here is ONLY.

But if those who are anti-foreign club still thinks the bunch of us are glory hunters, then i guess i am. No doubt i start supporting Manchester United because of hearsay and as a 12 year old not knowing any better in asking myself why, i was caught. I once said and was even quoted by a fellow forummer, "most of us started as a glory seeker, but its how much you progress in wanting to know more about the club that matters". Applies to any local or foreign clubs/country.

Then i will also add this: if liking an entity outside country because of the "glory" they bring means you're a glory hunter, then those who watch Arsenal play their attractive football (the glory part) and like that style (the like part) and continue to watch their matches if there's one though not necessarily supporting the club (the affiliation part) then that is a glory hunter as well. Might not be as big as us who chant and spend time knowing the club and player, but still...a glory hunter.

And you know what? even if i am born and raised in Sarawak and i watch Sarawak FC football, i still want them to win right? I want them to have glory. So at the end of the day, i am still a glory hunter. Coz i am hunting for Glory, be it from Manchester United, from Malaysia National football team or Sarawak FA, so i am and will forever be a glory hunter. that makes 100% of us who watches football then.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Jan 28 2011, 05:51 PM

WTF??

there's no discussion left since he's so adamant that glory hunter is defined that way, might as well submit

yeah im a glory hunter since the age of 10...somebody please sue me

Having your own opinion is one thing, mocking others (especially when they have done so much to achieve something) without truly understanding is another. Seriously, you are painting yourself as a fascist fanatic that is here to condemn anyone who supports a foreign club than their own local club and don't really give a rat's ass about what others have explained/said. Why the hatred, man?

I honestly pity you instead.

glory hunters are those who support team differently when one teams won champion, then they support that. ie barca won the champs league, and then many chelsea or man utd or arsenal supporters will run through it and support spanish league instead..they claim it as another team they like, but couldn't further diminish their faith on epl.

No time and yet you find it in you to come back. Tell you what. Take all the time you want to respond. It's the weekend. No one is asking you to defend your viewpoint. I'm asking you to disprove mine. Don't use the lack of time to compensate for your inability to do so. Long winded? It happens when all you see are texts you can't make sense of.

If your definition of glory hunter is anything to go by, heck yeah! I'm one. Oh new term now. "Glory hunter stage 2".

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Added on January 28, 2011, 7:29 pmYup you're a stand up fan for being able to walk into a stadium week in and out. Pity some of us will never have that chance. Wanting to go but not being able to makes us glory hunters, your definition of one anyway so that's cool. Much easier supporting a club you seldom get to see play than one you do week in and out of course.

Ah moving the goalpost I see. First we're sad bunch because we have no one to watch games with and we do so at home alone, miserable and all. Yes, surely that makes us lousy fans. I mean it's much easier to gather the strength to watch a game alone that it is jumping up and down with the rest of our mates. Oh but then you find out that some of us do gather and now you say it isn't the same and we have no soul. Yup, it's much easier to find mates online, look for sponsors so we have stuff to give away during viewings, source locations to negotiate food and drink packages than it is to buy a ticket. We don't pay a dime? You pay for your ticket so the club belongs to you? Gee didn't know you received dividens. How many fans fit in your stadium? So the population of Terengganu aren't really fans for not buying tickets, preferring instead to watch the game on telly?

Save your pity mate. What's pitiful is that you look through a very narrow straw and you don't even realise it.

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Added on January 28, 2011, 7:38 pmLol now there is no arguing with such powerful logic is there?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 28 2011, 07:40 PM

+1.........i see this thread moving with "a lot" of misinterpretation of glory hunter

1st of all, I AM A GLORY HUNTER.........whichever way you put it
2nd.......i started supporting Liverpool from the MATCH THEY LOST 3-0 to EVERTON
3rd.......even so, the anthem you'll never walk alone was sung at goodison road, which captured my attention
4th.......the history of the club fascinated me
5th.......even though they are in a bad shape atm, i stood by them.......just as MALAYSIA.........i never criticize them even when they were losing 5-0 in the AFC cup
6th.......WHO THE HELL SAID THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT OUR LOCAL FOOTBALL, i watch every match just as i believe the rest of us do

I have been to Anfield ignoramus. Another unfounded assumption you've just made.

Yes I do know clubs need fans to make money. Thought I made that pretty clear in my reply to arresandro. I really don't see how I can make it much simpler for you.

"Club belongs to fan" means to me that the fans have a voice, preferably on the board for better or for worse. It means to me that the club also acknowledges it's fans when they make their opinions known e.g the groundshare with Everton and the appointment of Dalglish. Did the fans do it on their own? Of course not but they dis influence it. To you it means spending on the club. If it were that alone, the richer you are, the more the club belongs to you? I see. Well I'm not that rich. I buy what jerseys and merchandise I can. I suppose you want to compare receipts now to see who has more ownership over his club.

You seem to think it's a competition of sorts. Yes I obviously know much less about how a club is run than you. Your insightful posts justify that claim.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 28 2011, 10:58 PM

dude........your post seriously shows your attitude man.
not all of us can pay 5000+ to go watch the team play week in week out.
im sure most of us dream of going, so do i, one day i wish i can afford a trip to anfield.
not to see the team, but feel the atmosphere.........another one to justify against being a "glory hunter"
Yes, i do wish to see my team win every match. but i dont support them for that, i support them for the passion and memories they have returned over the years.

let me ask again, is it a crime to support oversea's team?
if so, why dont you go watch "2 alam" instead of some western movies?
cuz you too know deep down it's bad.
not to say our local team is bad, but when it can afford to produce entertainment as well as attract stars and produce fascinating football, the supporters will be there.
just like Japan, their league matches are able to produce full-house because of the quality football they play.
they worked their way there.

1) Your view are suitable for fans from before the 80s, when local clubs were really local. Clubs now welcome a large, non-local fanbase. If Liverpool (or any club for that matter) accepts these fans, then who are we to define whether they are "adequate" in their fandom?

2) There are fans who've stopped going to their ground, e.g. because they've got a family, or have relocated. Do they revert to glory-hunter status?

3) What about fans who attend away games more religiously?

4) What about the firms in English football (or Italian ultras)? Some of them never gave a rat's ass about the football, they were just aching for a fight and some knifings. Yet, they attend day in, day out. What are they?

5) If the club belongs to the fans because they're money is vital, then you must accept that matchday income is not everything in the balance sheets. Globral revenues are fast catching up.

6) And if monetary contribution is important, then the guys who rent out them corporate boxes are sure big fans, even if they don't really care.

7) How bout those who attend the Reserve League and FA Youth Cup matches in the English league? Or those who would drive down to London Colney and watch Arsenal train on open days? Are they more genuine than regular attendees?

8) So we've established that those who go week in, week out are not necessarily interested in the football (which surely, we can agree is a requirement). We've also established that not everyone gets involved as some other people (e.g. attending reserves or youth matches).

9) The question is then, where do we draw the line? Does attending all home matches cut the grade? Or do you need to have been to Away ones as well? Or how about attending all Away matches? Or keeping up with Youth development?

10) In conclusion, we can all have our own threshold of what counts as a "non-glory-hunting fan" and all of them are arbitrary and no one is obliged to accept them.

And that's me channeling my inner Mahathir done. It was eerie.

To me, the term "glory hunting" is a by-product of any situation in which old fans of a smaller thing try to assert their seniority on the newcomers. I felt the same, having watched the Arctic Monkeys (big band in the UK) when they were indie and then suddenly seeing a massive surge in fans when they got big. I felt that these newcomers didn't know shit, but I grew up and grew out of it. "Glory-hunting" is more often than not used by these very same groups to defend their territory, a territory that was suddenly so much larger and had so many more people in it.

In any case, even though some of you might not be able to stand it, do attend the Malaysian leagues sometime (I will not call them by their current names because I f***ing hate it when they keep changing the names). While not the best, they are definitely steps above the evening games most of us punters here go to as they are after all, pros.

And who knows, you might catch the growth of Malaysian football in its infancy, and then we can call all those who weren't there to witness it earlier, "glory hunters".

cheers

The guy is really talking out of his ass isn't he?? Having a go at fans who supposedly never been to the stadium without actually know if they did. Keh keh keh.... Way to make an ass out of yourself ehh???

@minority, good post.

I don't however think that any fan wants to call another a glory hunter just to exert seniority. Monster is an example of a fan whose posts show maturiy beyond his tender age of 22. He hasn't been a fan as long as some but took it upon himself to catch up on terms of knowledge. All anyone can expect is for any new fan to want to do the same and not claim that history isn't as important as watching games. I've not come across a single poster on any UK forum telling the locals that history is irrelevant. I personally visit RAWK to read and learn more than I do to post.

I do take offense however to fans who know nuts and make accusations that we live in the past because the past is unimportant. With information so freely available these days, there is really no excuse for not knowing about landmark moments in your clubs history unless you don't know how to use google. If you don't want to read up, FairPlay but never discount it's importance. I have friends who don't watch games let alone are able to name 5 players in the starting eleven, who support rival teams and gloat when they beat us. I have no guilt labeling them "glory hunters".

On watching local sides, I do agree that standards have somewhat improved again. With the MSL looking now at commercial angles it's only a matter of time before sponsors come in bringing a much needed injection of cash. We are hopefully looking at privatization of local football clubs in the next decade removing them from the jurisdiction of the state FAs but it will take time. Look at the ABL who now have privatized teams. Each team is now responsible to market themselves and look for sponsors. There may be only 6 teams now but there have been interest from teams in Australia and Indonesia to participate next season.

Watching your local side play and feeling a connection however don't often come hand in hand, which is why I do not agree that feeling a connection with a foreign side over your local one means you are a glory hunter. Forcing a connection is short sighted and temporary, all push strategies often are.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 29 2011, 12:12 PM

Pics or GTFO. Koh koh.