You've missed out another key word that is "hunter" which indicates continuity or it will just be "hunt".

To address you question of having the guts to support your local side I believe ive explained on more than one occassion. Care to refute my POV? I don't expect you to understand how I feel, but I do expect a person to look at it with a degree of logic.

By your reckoning, Norwich would be a more "glorious" team since they've won a European club. So it's only fine to support less glorious clubs than your own. Clubs that have less trophies but play in a bigger league?

"glory" indicates success. "hunter" indicates a person constantly searching. Some do whilst others have stopped. How can there not be a differentiation? Again, your definition seems to be the same as yuki's. Only people who support local teams aren't glory hunters whilst the millions around the world that do, although we are so diverse in nature. See things in black & white as well? Care then to take a stab at something I asked earlier then? Why do you think the Indonesian reds I mentioned earlier did what they did for Hillsborough, an occasion not related to glory?

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Added on February 11, 2011, 6:21 pmHere then is the flaw in your argument regarding Sunday league teams. Are you saying it's better for someone to support a team they never get to watch, or read about? Where is the attachment then?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 11 2011, 06:21 PM

i dont agree in this case hunter indicates continuity. Everyone who hunts is a hunter. To stop hunting you must drop everything to do with your hunting past ...especially the prey...




yeah i read your point of view and although i dont agree with it, i understands it. I felt the urge to reply my POV about it but never find the correct window of time to do so.



its not about what is fine or not. its about what is glory-hunting or not. Norwich probably have less trophy than Selangor... but in term of glory, from our inferiority complex tinted view of ours, they are definatelty more glorious than Selangor... they have more quality than us....




"glory" is not just about success. how do you compare the "glory" of 2 clubs who never won a trophy then.. "glory" in glory-hunting is about overall quality of the club that attracts people to supports them other then natural causes... "hunter" is an identity. if you hunts. than you are a hunter.... and my definition has always been the same as Yuki's.. i agree with him word for word... he understands what i am saying... i dont want to dwells to much about Hills-borough as it is kinda sensitive... my hearts goes to all tragedies the world over..i dont know his story.... but the way he absorbs and shift his identity from an indonesian to a Liverpudlian is not right to me somehow... .. i know already you dont agree and understands this... but that is my point of view about it...

to answer you question... the indonesian reds is a gloryhunter when he supports Liverpool...the mournings, the gatherings and other activity that he did are all part of that...


i am not saying its better. i am saying he is not a glory-hunter. i cannot answer where is the attachment is on his behalf as i am not doing it. Its up to him to decide his level of support. Where the attachment came from can be varied from some non-footballing reasons. As simple as having a good time with his cousin at the Sunday League games can bring attachment to the club... he does not necessarily have to watch or read about it...

on my behalf, he is not a glory-hunter..

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Feb 11 2011, 07:05 PM

glory is what?
say it to my face man

and no..people from UK wont support Kelantan because it's less glorious.

unless AFC Ch League is much more attractive than UEFA Ch League, and Kelantan is a good side of AFC CL, yeah we can call them as glory hunter

Why are some of the posters here still specious in their arguments?



Every Malaysian Football fan here that supports an EPL team is a Glory Hunter!

You are in my definition either a Category 1 or Category 2 Glory Hunter

Now to clarify,

A. If you started supporting say MU you're a Cat 1 Glory Hunter because you jumped on the Bandwagon unless you were already supporting them during MU 37 years of barren trophies or titles. Your parents weren't probably born yet

Likewise if you support title winning Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea or even Blackburn Football Clubs.


To recap, if you conveniently misunderstood the phrase jumping on the bandwagon. 'Bandwagon' is rolled out for parade & celebrations winning titles or cups.

B. On the other hand, if you started to support a club that haven't won any title or trophies (because you didn't want to jump on the bandwagon of teams like MU, Arsenal etc) then you are in the Underdog Category 2.



Now don't be specious in your argument by excluding yourself from the above Category 1 especially just because you have been 'faithful' or didn't jump ship from your MU or Liverpool or Arsenal clubs to another.

Aren't you MU or Liverpool fans still seeking for your 19th. title? Or still singing GLORY GLORY MU or whatever?

Another argument proffered is using the SMOKING ( to me its to trivialize your faith or 'football religion') analogy, a very apt one would be once a 'rapist' will always be a 'rapist' (serial or ex-).

GLORY HUNTERS! Thats what most of the native English fans (outside the Top 4 especially) viewed us.

Likewise fellow Malaysians who see us abandoning in droves our state football teams when our previous glorified teams started to decline for one reason or another.


Lastly, IMO the term Glory Hunter lately has been hurled forcefully at fans to prevent them from jumping ship to another club or support more than one club. Is it because they don't want an exodus of fans to other emergng FCs like City. Kinda like being jilted?

Anyways IMHO no matter what, all of us are still footies! There should be no stigma!

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."



Methinks some of you doth protest too much!


Go in peace mates!

This post has been edited by CityBluePrint: Feb 11 2011, 09:04 PM

I have no issues with saying anything to your face. It's just I have no idea what your post has to do with mine. Since when did I talk about supporting Kelantan?

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Added on February 12, 2011, 10:36 am@arressandro

Here is where we defer then. You say that the word, "hunter" doesn't indicate continuity. Well you've just redefined the English language then. You agreed before that a smoke who stopped smoking isn't a smoke anymore. Therefore a person who stops hopping clubs, even if his stops winning titles should by that definition no longer be a hunter. Pretty straightforward if you ask me.

Just because you cannot relate to how some feel about a foreign side, doesn't meant it's impossible to feel the same or stronger than you do about your local side. Your only argument to support your local side so far is, "I was born here". When others try to articulate how they feel about their foreign side, you deflect it without even explaining why you think it's impossible.

About your suggestion that "foreigners" who mourn for Hillsborough do so because it is part of glory hunting, I am both surprised and apalled that you doubt the sincerity in their hearts. I am disgusted that you think those who make the trip to Anfield each year from verious countries like Greece and Germany do so because they want the glamour.

You've heard why some of us support the foreign side of our choice. Can you enlighten us and tell us why you support your local side. This isn't a contest because each has just an important reason of his own. If you feel an affinity to your home team, good but you cannot force others to feel the same way especially if they have a strong enough reason not to, whether you agree or not.

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Added on February 12, 2011, 11:15 am@cityblueprint

Yes a rapist will always be a rapist just as how a murderer will always be a murderer. Yes sides like Liverpool and Man Utd are seeking our 19th league title but how is this any different from any other club? Are you saying that clubs don't want to win titles and fans don't want to see their teams victorious?



This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 12 2011, 11:15 AM

Thing is I see merits behind your arguments. Liverpool was the first English side I remember watching. Think it was on Road to Wembley. Although I started watching them in the late 80's coverage was severely limited without TV or the internet. I frequently purchase SHOOT or MATCH magazines to see how they were doing in the league. My favorite section was the end bit where you got to see the statistics from each game and how many points each player got. I can't say I watched each game simply because there was none. I had no one to talk to about Liverpool because none of my friends were fans of football. I had my magazines, Road to Wembley and a 1 hr, 2 week old highlights programme, that was it. In hindsight I could just as easily have been a fan of Everton, Leeds Utd, Man Utd, Spurs or Arsenal. These were the only sides featured regularly on Telly. Hard to have been a fan of Wolves, Luton, Oldham or QPR as I hardly got to watch them and without the Internet, information was severely limited.

To be honest I never even heard of Shankly prior to the Internet. After reading his biography and hearing about him and how he transformed the club, I was smitten. Now I do what I can to ensure I learn more by reading biographies of former players like Tommy Smith, Phil Thompson, Robbie Fowler, and current players like Carra and Gerrard. I've met Phil Neal once and he shared tales about Bob Paisley. Didn't have much else to hold on to at the point with the club winning 3 trophies, 2 of which were relatively small ones being the Charity Shield and League Cup I. A span of 8 years. Souness made sure of that.

Suffice to say, I remain a Liverpool supporter because of all I've read. To say that all of this is irrelevant is in my opinion, naive. The day I went to Anfield was one of the best days in my life. After almost 20 years I finally got to realize my dream of seeing the team play in the flesh.

I post this because of what someone said earlier, that what's most important isnt what people say, it's about what you think of yourself. Now I'm sure some posters wont bother reading since they've already labeled me but I am not insecure.

Don't think this argument will ever end simple because opinions are so diverse. Like arressandro said earlier, I don't agree with your label and I accept your opinion.

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Added on February 12, 2011, 11:58 amYuki, the adults are talking. You've done enough to prove you're an imbecile. You don't even understand why I posed that question to arresandro you nimrod. I'm not questioning his loyalty. I'm pointing out that some people feel the same about foreign sides. You're like the stupid little kid that needs each joke explained to him.

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Added on February 12, 2011, 12:03 pmPS: my posts are long because I've a lot to say. If you find it hard to articulate your thoughts, that's your problem, not mine.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 12 2011, 12:03 PM

If I fell in love with someone from other side of the world you will label me for having a plastic love then?

as i said, why put two different analogies?

it's like u're saying Coke > Pepsi then comparing Secret Recipe Cafe > Pak Li kopitiam

=.=

That deluded jackass seriously thinks there's people he's representing doesn't he?

The point I want to show is preferences..there will be someone who like coke or pepsi..there will be someone that love secret recipe or Pak li..there is something that makes them fall in love..other than the glory hunting issue that this thread discussing about

Yes, you avoid questions, label them unimportant, continue to use words like "butthurt", "glory hunter" and "plastics" in every post and I'm the kid.

Tell you what. Since your head hurts when I feed you too much information at one go, let me keep my questions short and see if you participate in a matured discussion. Incidentally, this is a forum, not a chat room and the former promotes discussions, long or otherwise.

1) What does supporting a Premiership team have to do with anyone supporting Swansea?
2) Are you saying it makes more sense to support a team you never get to see play?
3) When was Hillsborough a 2nd division side?

I'm not supporting the city of Liverpool you half-wit. I'm supporting the team. I'm not a freaking tour guide of the city and you wouldn't know this, but stories of Liverpool ranging from Shankly to Hillsborough are available on books and online. Those things are not unique to the city of Liverpool. I don't pretend to understand the scouse way of like but this isn't my intention is it?

Since when did you represent teams in the world? The almighty Yukie now speaks on behalf of football clubs you know nothing about? Nope, nothing juvenile about it at all. You use words like "the whole world" and "everyone", claiming they support you. Where are they? Who are they? You have invisible friends now?

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Added on February 12, 2011, 6:14 pmI almost fell off my chair reading that statement. Reckon he pictures himself as a crusader for lesser known clubs all around the world, fighting injustice, using his keyboard to find glory hunters worldwide whilst dressed in his pink leotard.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Feb 12 2011, 06:16 PM

dont get me wrong here ya
i'm not going to make anyone mad here

as i told much earlier

football is about identity & entity.
just like the primary school days. u support the red house because u're part of the red house. u dont support blue house altho they have the best sprinter in the school because u're not part of the team (blue house)

u support the team that u're 'born'

*born here doesnt necessarily means u're born in manchester, & after the 3rd days of ur birth ur family move out to london then u grew up at london ..(u went to shops at london, u live with the london community, etc etc..)and u must support any manchester team not london. i personally dont agree with this idea.
u're more likely londoners rather than manchesterian (erk? i dunno what's called for manchester people).

**sorry for my poor english..

Your English is not poor so don't shortchange yourself.

Here is one thing to consider about your analogy. You support say Yellow house because you were put in yellow house. You weren't given a choice, at least I wasn't. Your emotional attachment is to the team and not what the house represents. If you were all on the blue team, you would feel the same way.

I don't know what the others mean but given a choice, I'd like to represent an organization/club whose values, I believe in. I want to be part of something that represents what I believe in. I cannot bring myself to support an entity whose purpose I do not support or approve of.

why so hard to understand all of this essay..

u pick a team u like to watch ---> u stay with them ---> stay when they glory and stay when they fall ----> just stay whatever happen..and not switching to a more glory club...

then

you a fan of the club...die-hard..not so hard...whatever it is..deep down you just a fan...live with it...

epl,bundesliga,serie a,la liga...all of them is a WWFC..world wide football clubs...they targeted fans from all over the world..the club is not limited to the local anymore...

cant see your team at stadium? financial problem? hey...that is the normal problem for the fans abroad..but that doesnt mean they not a fan...maybe someday they will be able to go to the stadium...for now...just enjoy the live broadcasting..we pay astro..astro pay to the EPL organizer and the organizer pay the club...they same with the purchasing of the ticket...

any1 agree?

Your English is not poor so don't shortchange yourself.

Here is one thing to consider about your analogy. You support say Yellow house because you were put in yellow house. You weren't given a choice, at least I wasn't. Your emotional attachment is to the team and not what the house represents. If you were all on the blue team, you would feel the same way.

I don't know what the others mean but given a choice, I'd like to represent an organization/club whose values, I believe in. I want to be part of something that represents what I believe in. I cannot bring myself to support an entity whose purpose I do not support or approve of.

Since I have spent considerable time in Manchester, I have decided to support Manchester United (although technically I lived in Man City's 'catchment area').

I am not doing it because it is looking more than likely that come the end of the season Liverpool will no longer be the most successful team in England when it comes to championships... no not at all.

I am doing it because I was bloody stuck in rainy Manchester for a good few years, hence to avoid the negative stigma of being called a glory hunter for supporting a team from a place I have no affinity to, I am renouncing my old ways.

This post has been edited by madmoz: Feb 13 2011, 08:53 PM

i do agree with this one broo