So if you like to talk about football, should I tell you to voice your opinions at FAMs annual assembly?

Why I don't get is why you see the need to interject when you have nothing to contribute? If you don't think that it's relevant then post something that is FFS!

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 27 2011, 04:13 PM

I have to agree with this.

What kinda contribution or something relevant u want summore? Copy/paste a 1000++ words essay from a blog or whatever u can get on wikipedia and then acting like a smartass out of it? Yeah, great. Just end this stupid shit, ok. There's nothing to talk about.

This post has been edited by ProbMan: Jan 27 2011, 04:31 PM

What kind of contribution? Have you even posted an opinion on the topic? Go missing for pages, and then come back as though you're the forum police?

You haven't heard of citing references apparently? People do it sometimes to back up opinions. Maybe it's alien to you but I learned to do it in school. Just because I can make sense out of it and have more than 2 lines worth of thoughts to share, it makes me a smartass? So not having an opinion makes you a dumbass?

I think "shut up" can be one type of contribution also from annoying people like you

Whatever u think smartass, and if u wanna argue just go ahead. I'll just be on ignore mode that's it.

I like the fact that how I get the blame as the thread starter when it was the discussion and the blatant view of some narrow minded idiots who caused the discussion to descend to a level where it should be closed.

The thing is this, I started this thread not to bash anyone, but to discuss about it, I have many glory hunter friends and I also have real hardcore fans of clubs such as Aston Villa, Everton, and I even know a Southampton fan.

Some of you mentioned that us Liverpool fans started following the club in the glory days, thus making us glory hunters too. I agree 100% we are glory hunters in the beginning, but then again, as we found out more about the club, (ask Duke Red about it) we were intrigued by it, begin to love the club, the way we do things and understand what it meant to be called a "kopite".

Thing is, if we are glory hunters, we would've switched to becoming a Man Utd supporter, when they won their first title after 26 years in 1992, or Arsenal when they went through the season unbeaten or Chelsea when they were bulldozing everyone.

The argument about local team doesn't hold water too, unless you go to watch M League regularly, or the National team regularly, then you are a glory hunter too.

It's simple, there are reasons why one supports a particular team or club. But there are some who bothered to take the time ti find out more about the team and eager to know everything about the team, club and city. If you are comfortable in changing team every few years, then so be it, it's your choice, as long as you're comfortable with it. But to me, it is just like going all out chasing a girl, but only to ditch her after you've slept with her to go chasing another one.

I would like to see some good discussion, rather than finger pointing and stupid name calling or brainless debate about the most trivial of things, but then again, it's a forum, and you're entitled to your view, just like how I am entitled to think that you're a shameless glory hunter if you change team every few years.

Ignoring means not posting dumbass.

aha dont really need to bother about him, obvious douche is obvious

Who's the annoying person now?

I like debates/discussions because there is an exchange of opinions and at some point you come to a stalemate, because everyone sees things differently. There is no right and wrong. In the end, we have to respect the fact that we won't always see eye to eye. What pisses me off is someone who criticises your opinion without offering one. I remember some of his posts in the Liverpool thread (actually had to google them again), and its the same each time.

Good. Thank you.
You should reflect on this
"If you have NOTHING GOOD to contribute DON'T"

Probably thats whats a lot of your peers have been saying to you a lot about your inane posts.
Your elders must have drummed into you to listen/read before you speak/post.


P.S. If you want to post an opinion its always advisable to cite other opinions or facts to support or buttress your arguments. Your opinions or posts can then be more cogent and sound.
And don't plagiarize them!

+1

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I do agree with Jonno's post. I don't really care if the so-local lads want to label me as a glory hunter. I started to watch football by supporting Selangor. Born and raised here definitely helped the cause in my days of playing football back then. All of those Dunhill commercial and theme songs being stucked into my head. Even had that sticker-book collections. Damn those things. Still remember that intense rivalry between Selangor - Singapore.

In that year also, I started to read about United. Definitely, the poster boy wasn't Beckham. It was Giggsy. Simply a role model to us(kids) playing football, those days. I guess in some ways, arresandro10 and yukielow are right. I would definitely support Malaysia/Selangor first because of the attachment. That said, I always feel the same sentiment with United. Well, maybe a little less.

For you to state above I suspect you don't read or comprehend well especially regarding post #382.

Like Duke & other posters say, it also encompassed the socio-economic & cultural impacts on us football fans.
Likewise ask yourself where would the British Football Product be without us glory hunters & our 'plastics' ? Yes thats what the local British lads labelled us (especially oversea MU fans). I
stand by my opinion & facts.

Regarding technological impacts you should read my post herein as a start. Theres a lot of gaps & intevening years which hopefully can be filled in. Keep continuing posting.

This thread will be a Classic. Yes we can start discussing the impacts (especially on you) which are obvious & not so obvious!

You have to be more precise & cite references or posts for you to support or validate your opinions.
Its very simple eh?

That is correct. Not all but some of them do label us Asians plastics. They will go on about geographical facts and whatnot. Been in the receiving stick myself. My lil bro, to be precise. He almost got into a fight with them as well.

I don't know about other club's fans but United do have some 'bad apples' or how you want to call it.

One of my friends attends a primary school in Manchester in the 80' told me that most of his classmates supports Liverpool due to their dominance that time. So they all are gloy hunter since they support a team 50 Km away? Even Beckham comes from London but if he were to asked whih teams he support in England what you think his answer will be? Giggsy comes from Wales so he must support a Welsh club? What about an expat son who was born in Selangor and stays here till his teenage years? Must he support Selangor?

While I agree that purist would like only locals to support their football club, technology has crushed these geographical barrier.

How about in USA where team are franchise and move across city. The fans have to move too? So those support wimbeldon have to move too?

What about United and City? Those in surrounding area of Old Trafford can only support United and those around Maine Road can only support city?

Still butthurt from our win at Blackpool?

You choose to comment only on posts supporting your weak argument backed by nothing but your own shallow opinion, whilst at the dame time, ignoring numerous other points brought up by posters. If you want to support your local team because of their rich history and culture, that's your prerogative but don't knock something you obviously can't comprehend. Something millions of football fans around the world can.

You keep harping about how everyone is obligated to only supporting his hometown whilst ignoring posts pointing to the fact that the world is shrinking by virtue of technological advancements. You point out that there is no way any fan from abroad can feel and affinity to a team hundreds of miles away whilst ignoring my post on what Indonesian Reds do during Hillsborough.

Your definition of glory hunter isn't someone who doesn't know about the club, switches clubs regularly and has no affinity to it. Your definition is limited to the narrow scope of geography. So Korean BBoy groups don't understand hip-hop although they are amongst the best in the world. We know nothing about the American fast food culture. John Wayne Parr knows nothing about Muay Thai etc. if you refuse to embrace change but don't put down others for doing so.

You're becoming desperate and thus have started to form new terms with your own definitions. Tell you what. You go on creating new terms if you want. Fact of the matter is that your views are narrow. How so? Simple. Instead on discounting arguments posed to you backed by references or not, you continue to try to drive your point through.

There isn't a point in telling you how any of us started supporting foreign teams because A) there is already a thread on it, and B) you've already decided not to listen.

What did I miss??

And for the record, plastic fans are not specifically referred to "overseas MU fans". There are reason why some people refer to the sudden sprout of United fans in the 90's, Chelski fans in mid 2000 and Citeh fans currently. It's because most of them knows jack all about the club they supposedly love and is only following the flavour of the moment. Or it can also refer to fans who goes to the stadium and does nothing. No chants or getting behind the team or whatsoever, yet whine and complain when the team performs badly, rendering them no different than those plastic seats they're occupying.

On my one trip to OT, I spoke with a fan whom I met on the United forums, who is a regular matchgoer to the extent that he goes to almost every United home game in Manchester, making the trip from London. This same person goes to plenty to Away Euro games as well with this group of friends from the same forum, whom I have the pleasure of meeting. The general consensus is, they don't mind fans from overseas. They appreciate the fact that we pay a bucketload to get our asses to Manchester, to the stadium. They know they're lucky, in the sense that it doesn't cost them all that much. While I was walking with him from a local bar to Old Trafford, he told me about how his friends calls him nuts for making those regular trips from London. In his words, "It takes you what 12 hours to get here?? A couple thousand quid and a 5000 miles or so flight?? What's 2-3 hours drive for me to get to Manchester??" What pisses them though about overseas fans coming to Manchester or "Daytrippers" as we're more commonly known, are those who comes to the stadium and does nothing but takes pictures and oohs and aahhhsss at everything. They'd much prefer if, you do your part. Get behind the team, join in the chants, raise the atmosphere. So that perception by niuchin of "especially overseas MU fans" is complete bollocks.

That's where the girlfriend analogy comes from by the way, the one that is repeatedly mentioned throughout this thread. You love someone, you want to know every single team about them. Same goes to your club that you supposedly love. You'd want to know it's history, players, chants...everything. And at this day and age with youtube, wikipedia, the whole shebang that is the internet, it is very, very easily accessible. So I don't buy reasons when someone claims they're a fan, yet knows jack about the club.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Jan 28 2011, 10:08 AM

You've missed a lot. The latest argument put forth is that you must support your local team ie Selangor, KL etc and if you support a foreign team you are a glory hunter. It's because you can't build and affinity with a team hundreds if miles away hence my argument on globalization and examples of how we have already adopted foreign cultures. That about summarizes it I think.