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post May 12 2009, 01:08 AM, updated 15y ago

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It has been well documented that there are lots of Glory hunters around and we don't like them, but, my take is these posts in the LFC thread earlier.

QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 11 2009, 03:14 PM)
No doubt Manchester United is a great club and i have great respect for some of their players such as Giggs, RVN, Ronaldo. Eventhough they were winning numerous titles and cups back in the 90s i didn't really bother much about as i only perceive Man u as another good football team just as i think of Barcelona, Inter Milan, Ajax or Madrid back then.

Things, however changed drastically in 1999. After their shocking last gasp victory over Bayern Munich in CL Final that year, the MAN U fanboom exploded and the hype was spreading like wildfire. Some of my friends who doesn't know jack shit or watch football suddenly begin supporting Manchester United. And yet the appalling thing is, they couldn't even name more than 3 players in their favorite team. They will tell you Cantona is from Spain. They start asking you what jersey color is Man u players because they can recognize their team. They couldn't differentiate between Butt, Scholes and Solskjaer because all three of them have the same haircut. And the next minute you know, Beckham with his Armani looks, starts to pull the girl audience into football. People who don't like football suddenly likes football by swearing their short allegiance to Manchester United. Manchester United jersey become the latest COOL toy to have among youngsters and schoolboys alongside Nike AIR JORDAN and Sony playstation.

Soon after, commercialism creeps in and Man U cafes, Man U TV, Man U shops started to mushroom one by one all over the world. In fact, without realizing it, Manchester United has bring EPL to the mainstream and transformed the club into a cultural icon. Not a bad move from the finance perspective as other clubs follow suit. More and more Man U fans appeared out of nowhere with more than 70% of them still doesn't know who the heck is Alex Ferguson and yet they claimed that they support Man United.

That is when i realized that it is the prawn sandwich fans that is making my blood boil not the team itself. Of course, having said that I believe there are a lot of "genuine" Man Utd fans out there who support the team wholeheartedly and not just in for Beckhamania or Ronaldo's flashy stepovers. Sad but truth but  this is what Manchester fans have become nowadays.....just my 2 cents.
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QUOTE(Jonno @ May 11 2009, 03:37 PM)
Actually, they were at it before hand, George Best was the first pop star footballer, and before Beckham, Giggs was the poster boy for Man U, and before Giggs, there's a certain Lee Sharpe who was the poster boy. Still it didn't beat Beckhamania and now Charliemania (Charlie Ronaldo, after I got ban numerous time for calling him C*** Ronaldo, now I prefer Charlie, or if you prefer, crybaby, after last night's tantrum). If I get ban for calling him Charlie

In a way, I do agree with you, the popularity of Premier League has let to many people making good "investments" when they get good "returns" from staking the kids' college funds (or the months' allowance for younger ones) on it, which also led them to "follow" the teams, whomever it may be, which also leads to them "following" different teams as lately different teams has won the league. Which is also a reason you see lots of people wearing Blackburn shirts after 1995/96 season when they won the league thanks to Uncle Jack's (for those who don't know him, there's this things called Wikipedia and google) money and Shearer's goals.

The main thing that gets me, honestly, that these glory hunters (again, not targeting anyone) do not bother to look up information of the club. I mean, with advancement of technology, all it takes is to sit in front of the PC for about an hour, look it up in Wikipedia (or the club site, but that might be too long and difficult, some of these glory hunters have problem reading long sentences, which makes this post safe) and all you need to know about the club in a nutshell will be there, then maybe, they will somehow find a connection with the team and become a true supporter.

If a girl can do that and learn about Liverpool, then tell me that she cannot consider herself a Liverpool fan after reading about the club in Wikipedia, because of the connection and passion she read so much about the team, and can talk to me about things concerning the club and even discuss it. Then where does it puts these so called glory hunting fans?

"Followers" that is, that's what they are, they just follow, without knowing anything.
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I know the sentiments and that this might cause a big war, but we are here to discuss it, you you ok with it? Why? Do you despise it? Why? How would you classify one as that? How you try not to get the tag of a glory hunter?

Most importantly, how come there are so many of these Charlies here?

This post has been edited by Jonno: May 12 2009, 01:14 AM
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post May 12 2009, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(munky @ May 12 2009, 01:41 AM)
My fren supports Real Madrid (his no 1 team). And about i think 5 years back he started supporting liverpool, coz they have spanish influence (he's crazy bout spain, be it in F1, tennis, football). And recently he said he supports Barca to win the UCL. Even when barca were playing in the semis. What do u call him ?

p/s: i think this is out of topic already, no ? lol
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I think that is more towards having affinity towards a certain country than glory hunting. But then again, did he realised the intense rivalry between Barca and Real?

QUOTE(miketee @ May 12 2009, 02:06 AM)
I suppose it's just the easiest thing to do lah... especially to those who barely watch the sport... they just want to pick a team for the sake of being "in the crowd". A strong, winning team is a reason good enough for many. I guess only the more dedicated fans will take the trouble to find a deeper reason to support a team and to learn more about them.

This not only applies to football... there were also a lot of Ferrari "fans" some years back and they know nuts about cars except that Schumacher wins every race!

In general I've nothing against glory hunters, coz they will always be around. The only thing that gets me is the gloating lah - what gives you the right to make so much noise when you barely know your own team, while I've supported my own team through thick and thin for over 15 years!

Comon, altogether now, sing with me!
"Glory, glory, glory hunter... glory glory glory hunter..."
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QUOTE(blinky @ May 12 2009, 02:09 AM)
Simple. You know a glory hunter is right in front of you when you know about the team he supports more than he does.
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As mentioned, starting supporting any team for any reason is ok, and no I don't take lacking the knowledge of the club as glory hunting, they are just not as hardcore. In my view anyway, you could support a club, but not a hardcore fan thus not having the knowledge. By the way, more than often I'll know more about the club my friends support than them, but that doesn't make them a glory hunter, it just makes me a freak... Ooops, too much info... blush.gif sweat.gif

QUOTE(nVidiaFX @ May 12 2009, 03:05 AM)
Funny to add, maybe i am just a moron. When i first saw the tittle glory hunter i knew it would be directing to Manchester United fans and also particularly started off by a liverpool fan, i called it DejaVU.
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To be honest, this is not directed towards any club, and certainly not Man U. Simply because I know lots of Man U fan who are hardcore, and have the knowledge and often have good discussion about football with. It's the "supporters" of other clubs that claimed they like the club for whatever reason that I can't stand.

They are more of an ABU (Anything But United), if you don't believe me, go look at the history of the threads created, the day some small team beat Man U, there'll be a new thread for these "fans". Perhaps they should get a grib of themselves and call themselves fans of ABU, therefore, they would not be termed as glory hunters, and most importantly, COULD support ANY team as long as it's ANYTHING BUT UNITED.


Again, I would like to stress that this thread is not directed towards any team or club at all, it's just a discussion of the general feeling on these followers. I believe fans or supporters of the same club would resent towards these followers as well as they give them a bad name. Just like me, I would try to educate any new Liverpool fan about the club but if they come up with pearl of wisdom such as "I don't care about the history, the club, I just like to watch Torres" then I would politely tell them what I think of them. So Glory Hunting is not just resigned to one club, every club has them, and as mentioned, they do help generate income for the club. Perhaps we should celebrate them a bit too. thumbup.gif

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post May 12 2009, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Hevrn @ May 12 2009, 09:34 AM)
I think for those outside of England its more likely that the club he or she supports is the one that's probably getting the most coverage in their home country. We don't have a particular affinity with any of the clubs there unless of course we spent a certain period of time in that particular city, but for those of us who are born and live outside England its alot easier to say, "Hey, I'm gonna support one of the big fours rather than Havant & Waterlooville whom I've got no relationship with." To me what counts is how a supporter chooses to study his club, and over time grow to realise that he can only have one love. Its easier to say that United fans are glory hunters over here becoz we are currently the club with the most recent successes, but Liverpool fans from the 80-90s era began supporting their club becoz they were the sensation back then. If a fan switches sides according to who's topping the table every week, then fairplay, you can call him a glory hunter. But tagging a United fan automatically as one is a lil harsh. Jonno hit the nail on the head by saying they are merely followers, while those who truly stand behind their team are supporters.

On the topic of glory hunting though, isn't it the same when a fan chooses to forgo the style and heritage of football his or her club is known for in place of more successes? Would you rather see the football taught by your forefathers continue, or would you choose to throw it all away for more league titles and trophies?
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I understand where you coming from and I totally agree with you, just to highlight, a post from yesterday I forgot to quote.

QUOTE(Jonno @ May 11 2009, 02:00 PM)
Talk about glory hunters, I believe most football fans outside of England started off as one, is you ask many of them, even those who started off following the team in the 80's because we were the top team then, and we were beating everyone left right centre. I also understand that there were others who were drawn by different reasons, but many "younger" (and I use this term loosely) fans would started off as a bit of a glory hunter. The difference, (the ones that I can see anyway) is that some bothered to learn about the team and the club and the history, and slowly become appreciate the club and the history. Unfortunately, not all share the same sentiment and would often bring out the " I don't need to know what's in the past" crap when confronted on, to me, these are the real glory hunter. There are even some who changes teams.

Whether their motivation is money through betting, or they found that it is not fashionable to support the team anymore, I don't know, but then again, it is not my prerogative to tell them that it is not on, as it their problem, I would only shake my head behind them and feel sorry for them.

Perhaps it's because they never really felt the sense of belonging when supporting the club, which prompt them to switch to a more fashionable club, I don't know, and to be honest, I don't give a flying fcuk.

However, please do not go around and start telling others how great your team or new team is just because they won some games or a few trophies. It's people like this who give supporters in this region a bad name, with many labeling us OOC (Out Of Country) supporters. Already it is hard to gain respect from proper supporters and these things happens.

I am not blaming anyone or telling anyone what to do, but I feel that perhaps other supporters of the same club could have a word to these fans and perhaps that would encourage them to learn a bit more about the team, if one listens then it's one less morons in the thread and hopefully one day they will completely disappear, I certain can only wish.

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No clubs has been mentioned in my post, I am just generalising about fans. And to those glory hunters, call yourself "follower" not fans or supporters, because you are just following, not supporting the team at all.
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Edited to take out crap that doesn't apply.
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QUOTE(kimhoong @ May 12 2009, 11:17 AM)

A less passionate or knowledgeable fans CAN be a royal fans.

A very passionate or knowledgeable fans CAN be a glory hunter too. tongue.gif
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Agree with both, but yet to meet one knowledgeable and passionate glory hunter.
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post May 13 2009, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Pain_X @ May 12 2009, 11:39 PM)
Hmm,then you should respect me for supporting MU through all our rough incidents as well : Selling of Stam,flying boot to Becks,massive reshuffle of the forwards,falling out with RVN,watching Dong play etc.

Tough times man,but i stuck with em  icon_idea.gif
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Won't exactly call that rough, if you want rough, it's between 1968 and 1992. Wanna what happened? Nothing, exactly zilth, that is what you call barren times or if you want, rough patches. Of course, there aren't many I know who have been supporting Man U since then.

QUOTE(miketee @ May 13 2009, 03:57 AM)
Can anyone here name ONE player in our Malaysian national team? What's the result of our last international game?
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Indra Putra Muhayuddin, Khalid Jamlus, Hairuddin Omar, Safee Ali (or was it Sali?)

The thing is that not that we don't want to support the national team, I do, they didn't play like shiat too, what they dish out is beyond that...
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ May 14 2009, 04:50 PM)
I can assure you it is not like what u mentioned and i am not sure how to describe it. It's not like i leave and totally not thinking about the match all afterwards. In fact, i do check the result every now and then online. It's just to painful to watch.
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MAybe you're not a Glory Hunter, perhaps just don't have enough faith that you'll turn the result around?
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post May 20 2009, 07:16 PM

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I think it's getting a little out of hand, let's not point fingers at anyone in particular. Man U fans, the term is not aimed at you lot, if you feel it, perhaps you should refrain from retaliating, or maybe have a look at why the other person is calling you a glory hunter.

I started this thread expecting fireworks, but not a full on war, the thing is this, as mentioned many times, many started out as a bit of a glory hunter, but they become proper fan when they grew with the club at heart.

Let's not get blinded by the real issue this thread is trying to achieve, there are glory hunter for every club, I am willing to say that if Hull beats Man U this weekend and stay up, there'll be many who claimed that they supported the club throughout.

Fellas, don't get confused by Glory Hunter and ABU, it is 2 different thing, there are a lot of ABU around, they support their own club / team, but since their team can't properly challenge, they become ABU.

And like Duke said, everyone supports their team in different way. And have their reason in doing so, while it disgusts me to see fans leaving early / turning off the TV, it's their prerogative, and I would not hesitate to classify them as prawn sandwich brigade, and if you have a problem with it, SO BE IT. It's me opinion, and you have yours.

Everyone supports their team in their own way, I know people who would not watch the match at all (live match0 because they think they jinx the team, instead, they'll record the match and watch it afterwards. That doesn't make them a glory hunter. Glory hunter are those who sees you in your team's kit and come up to you, asking, "what's the score ah? We playing tonight right?". No excuse, if you don't know whether you're playing on Saturday or Sunday, ON THE SATURDAY, then you probably should be classified as a glory hunter, but then again, there are too many exceptions to this, and I am banking on someone to come here and said they missed a match or didn't know when they were playing because they were in Botswana or something, granted, if you take offence in what I said, I don't give a flying fcuk, and if you don't like what I write, go fcuk yourself. In the end, it's suppose to be a discussion, and if you're hell bend on dissecting every single word I use and the manner I use it, I say, GET A LIFE.

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Sep 2 2010, 01:05 PM)
well on my part...i do not have very special affection to foreign clubs in that none of their result can make me especially proud, happy or terribly sad. This annoy the hell out of my EPL supporting friends as i can burn their club at will with nothing to throw back at me.

But for entertainment sake i make special conditions to keep me motivated to watch the matches. For instance, in EPL, i like to support Liverpool for league title just for the sake to make the title more valuable considering their 20 year drought ... and with each passing year, the same can also be said towards Arsenal.

in general occasion i support any team of the day that play against MU.. yes i am you typical ABU...why? because although few and far in between, results like Fulham 2-2 Man U are more valuable and satisfying... i have this weakness for underdog stories.. the Davids vs the Goliaths... the Evertons and Tottenhams who fought with grit to achieve more than their means. .. i do not change color every week as i do not consider myself as their fan. i only appreciate their fight... my colours are only for Malaysia's Black and Yellow and Terengganus's White and Black.
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Wow, a fellow Terengganu fan, I used to wakl to the old stadiums for matches during the Semi Pro time. And was at KLFA Stadium when the team came down a while back.

I didn't know my thread will be revived and go through so many discussions, there some really good ones and there are morons who come in and wreck things, as usual.




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post Jan 27 2011, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(ProbMan @ Jan 27 2011, 04:00 PM)
Don't care he's a Liverpool fans or what? I just wondering why this thread has derailed into some fascist-nationalist kinda football fans b****ing about their loyalty. If they like politics so much just talk about that shit at parliamentary meetings or something, man...FFS.
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I like the fact that how I get the blame as the thread starter when it was the discussion and the blatant view of some narrow minded idiots who caused the discussion to descend to a level where it should be closed.

The thing is this, I started this thread not to bash anyone, but to discuss about it, I have many glory hunter friends and I also have real hardcore fans of clubs such as Aston Villa, Everton, and I even know a Southampton fan.

Some of you mentioned that us Liverpool fans started following the club in the glory days, thus making us glory hunters too. I agree 100% we are glory hunters in the beginning, but then again, as we found out more about the club, (ask Duke Red about it) we were intrigued by it, begin to love the club, the way we do things and understand what it meant to be called a "kopite".

Thing is, if we are glory hunters, we would've switched to becoming a Man Utd supporter, when they won their first title after 26 years in 1992, or Arsenal when they went through the season unbeaten or Chelsea when they were bulldozing everyone.

The argument about local team doesn't hold water too, unless you go to watch M League regularly, or the National team regularly, then you are a glory hunter too.

It's simple, there are reasons why one supports a particular team or club. But there are some who bothered to take the time ti find out more about the team and eager to know everything about the team, club and city. If you are comfortable in changing team every few years, then so be it, it's your choice, as long as you're comfortable with it. But to me, it is just like going all out chasing a girl, but only to ditch her after you've slept with her to go chasing another one.

I would like to see some good discussion, rather than finger pointing and stupid name calling or brainless debate about the most trivial of things, but then again, it's a forum, and you're entitled to your view, just like how I am entitled to think that you're a shameless glory hunter if you change team every few years.
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post Jan 28 2011, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jan 28 2011, 10:53 AM)
You missed out the part where Jonno is a closet Man Utd glory hunter. laugh.gif
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Where did that come from? OR you're fishing mate? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jan 28 2011, 04:24 PM)
I'm guessing that's a parody of a particular poster on this thread saying that the OP i.e. you must be a Man United fan Jonno.
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Looking at the era I grew up in, I could've been. Fortunately I stuck to Liverpool, or I will be one of the "Glory Hunters" too whistling.gif
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jan 28 2011, 04:36 PM)
Yeah, apparently I am one too. I feel dirty.
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That's right mate, stop being a glory hunter and go support your state team. whistling.gif
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Damn it, I need to laser all my tattoos off and I am in depression now, as I cannot tattoo the Terengganu Crest onto my arm as it has Jawi in it and that would be disrespect to the religion (this discussion / debate is for another day).

Damn damn damn, I think I am going to have a crap CNY, and it's all your fault air-mood!

I think I should pick a team like Tranmere Rovers who is still based in Merseyside but not popular, I suggest that you switch your allegiance to Oldham Athletic mate thumbup.gif

 

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