Well, what am I feeling with United at the moment then??

Well, logic would say that if it's not love, it's lust then. Clearly I'm lusting over the Red Devils's very, very voluptuous trident.

That's a damn good question. I keep asking my friend why he chose Blackburn of all teams and not Manchester United.

You missed out the part where Jonno is a closet Man Utd glory hunter.

Blackburn did win the title in 95 to be fair, probably that's how he got started??

Well I've never gotten an answer out of him, but 15 years of glory he's had since then sure say something about him.

machester people who support liverpool because they are glorious at the time? yes. they are gloryhunters.



Bekcham and Giggs have proffesional obligation so their opinion have to be supressed. Its not suprising if they support the people who pays them. But rooney on the other hand maintain to be everton at heart eventhough he is a manchester united player. Giggs also chosse to represent his parental native of wales eventhough he grown up in England.




Either Selangor or any other place from his ancestoral roots. It would be weird if he support Kedah or Kelantan.



for me, our technology still not good enough to break the dimensions of identity, space and time. What we have is only that the information goes around much faster. If you know more information about Manchester United than a 2 year old mancs doesnt make you a mancs. he is already is eventhough he can barely speaks.

There are many shcolars of Islam out there who are non-muslim. They only have the information. But they dont have the real identity. Technology can change you outer identity. But it will not change your inner identity of who you are.



Yes. This type of situations will be hard for the fans. Since their team have bailed out on them and moved, they have to find a new team to support in their locality and their former team now belongs to other people in the new area. Pretty much why Wimbledon changed their name to MK Dons.

I am a terengganu people who lives in Klang Valley and will go to the Stadium each time they come here. But if they change their home base from SNINS in KT to Stadium Darul Makmur, Pahang, they are no longer a Terengganu respresentetive now do they. I will only give my allegiance to teams that have a base in Terengganu.

That depend on respective unwritten rule of the city's culture on what the clubs represent. Some are racial based. some are religious based. some are political based. the rule is not the same for every city.

For manchester case, i think both clubs represents machester. So their population free to choose. i heard there are many families who divided down the midle between City and United in their household. I think real people of Manchester will support City for its exclusivity because United have developed and image of being a club for out-of-towners *cough*asian*cough*.

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Added on January 28, 2011, 11:56 amhe is a less glory-hunter than Manchester United than liverpool fan for sure...

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Jan 28 2011, 01:11 PM

Real people of Manchester??keh keh keh....

And who are you to decide that again??

What a bunch of bullcrap.

For the record, Becks and Giggsy were United fans before they got scouted and signed a contract so what professional obligation is there??

Giggsy was a United fan as he fell in love with the team when they shifted over to Salford when he was a kid, Becks dad was a United fan if I'm not mistaken.

So....do a bit of research before talking out of your ass ehh??

This post has been edited by air_mood: Jan 28 2011, 12:22 PM

you clearly not understanding what i am saying.

1. My opinion is not a decision. its an opinion. i stands by my opinon that people who lived and bred in machester are the real people of machester and "manchester united' fans from outer-space is not.

Heck even the 'outer-space' is a lot closer to manchester compare to places these people came from.

2. I dont know where salford is but if that is in Manchester, that would explain why he loves the club and prove my points even more.

And if Becks dad is from manchester, its understandable where he inherit his indentity from.

The point is profesional footballer's allegiance cannot be counted as an a mark to gauge gloryhunters as they are obliged to be loyal to their paymaster by contract. we are talking about fans here and not football players.

3. and you dont need to use foul words to have a discussion with me to stress your points. Because i will only reply my opinion in a cultured manner and you will look like an arse,,

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Jan 28 2011, 01:12 PM

hey, don't you disrespect Alessandro. He is one of the respected die hard local football fans in this forum, and he is more rational than most of foreign league fans here. Your foul language sound desperate too.

i dont deny his right to mourn to any international tragedy of his choice... but i found it ironic that an Indonesian being sentimental about what happened to a group of Englishmen 20 years ago when it still pale in comparison to the number and magnitude of tragedies that hit Indonesia in the past 5 years alone...


People who judged people who only support their local team as "katak di bawah tempurung" are the very reason why the term glory-hunters come to existences...

i have been there in you place outside of your tempurung. I started my fandom to football as a foreign football suporter as well. At my heights, i can recite every first team squad for each of 20 teams in EPL and Serie A and numerous time got cought by the worden because sneaking out to watch France League Highlight at 3.00 am alone at the only TV in the big dark hollow school hall. my love for a foreign team of my choice and my idol was overflowing that it defines my indentity. You would notice my rather peculiar european-sounding nickname would be out of place for a farcist-nationalist local football fan. its a remnant of my former allegiance to my favourite european club.

but as my interest in football culture goes deeper. i started to question what i am doing. in my time, watching 3 european football match back-to-back does not even flex my attention stamina, but now i cannot watch 30 minutes of a EPL match wihout my hands reaching for the remote... i need more reason to do it..

it occurs to me that we have been bombarded with foreign football marketing from the time open our eyes until we close it at night... from the day we are born until we are sent to the grave.. by the tv, radio, newspaper, the-border-chrushing-technology, sigboard and walking-billboards around us who walks around with those imported jerseys... EPL spends hundreds of millions of pounds each year for marketing alone..

could it be that the foreign football marketing are the actual "tempurung" that limits our thinking. What if we flipped the "tempurung" over ? you will find that actual football fans does not support their team because they are marketed to do it. They find other pure reason to support teams. Certainly not by using "information" they received by using the "border-chrushing-technology". its not about information or knowledge at all. Football supporting is about celebrating and supporting your identity with your like-minded peers. This usually defined by a geographic location as where you are or where you come from defines your identity a lot. But if your ancestral family base want to create a football team and you support it because of that, it can work also..

the question is does the team you support represent your identity..or are you just marketed to do it..

in my opinion , the international-conglomerate that is EPL is no different to the Machine in the movie Matrix.. they put us to sleep using their "tempurung" and sucks our energy for their benefit while we are smiling in our dreams..

its need a big leap of faith to get out it.. a bit of redpill-bluepill scenario.. only then can we cut our resources supply from them and use it to our own good.. the real us...

who is "katak bawah tempurung" now?

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Jan 28 2011, 03:22 PM

you mister, pls do some research bout arresandro b4 talking out of ur ass too..where were you last time M'sian beat Indons in a full house stadium? He prove his point and if u don't get it don't insult him..

u may devoted to ur foreign club as much as i and others did..but if u try to mess around with 1 of the ultras who cheer for his OWN country more than anything, u had better seek for another flag..

I was at the stadium, your point being??

my point being try to respect other's opinion and don't bash them as though u are the only one who are mr. know at all in here..

And that assumption you made that because I follow United, I dont give a rat's ass about other thing is pretty cute ehh???

Just because he's a respected local football follower, doesn't mean I have to take every one of his points, do I??

That "real people of Manchester" is nothing but a bunch of bullcrap. So who was those people that I met when i had the chance to go there?? The ones who goes to almost every game, goes to away games and all?? A bunch of fake Manchester people?? A bunch of mannequins??

Do a bit of research, that "most people in Manchester are blues" is nothing but a mere myth. Something Citeh fans say to console themselves, never proven. Old Trafford is filled to the brim almost every single game, a capacity of 76k, so do people really believe that what 70-80% are out of towners?? No bloody way.

I don't have an issue with arresandro. I saw his contributions in the Malaysia National Team thread. I just think that "Real People of Manchester" crack is that, bullcrap. Especially considering he has never met them?? So how can he even make an opinion about people he has never even met??

aaah.... so the problem is only about the statement "the real people of Manchester " support Man City?

to be frank, i dont care less about which one "the real people of Manchester " support. i only said that base on the myth that you mentioned and i am sure "the real people of Manchester " who support Man U will have something to say about that.... i doesnt bother me at all.. . whichever which...

my real argument is more about the "not-real people of Manchester" supporting any of them ....

just dont use stupid-ish foul language to present your points because i dont have the capability to drop down to that level..

So your issue is with people from here supporting clubs abroad?? So you expect people to just stay and look at what's in front of them? not widen their horizons?? Not explore and watch other stuff?? Not going to happen.

Newsflash, this is 2011. With satellite TV, Internet that is bound to happen even more. Even the days when the EPL and the likes was shown only on National TV and the occassional news on the newspaper and radio, there were plenty of people watching it.

Where did that come from? OR you're fishing mate?

I'm guessing that's a parody of a particular poster on this thread saying that the OP i.e. you must be a Man United fan Jonno.

i dont have a problem with people watching.. i also watch...

but if you abandon your home team and align yourself to teams not related to you because of some inferiority reasons.. than you are a glory-hunter... which is what this thread is all about...

i would rather you use satellite tv and the internet to improve things back home... and thats just more noble to me..

Looking at the era I grew up in, I could've been. Fortunately I stuck to Liverpool, or I will be one of the "Glory Hunters" too

Yeah, apparently I am one too. I feel dirty.

BTW Jonno, apparently being a Blackburn fan who won the title in 95 is less of a glory hunter than being a Man United or Liverpool fan, that's what i read a few pages back.

Sadly, I have to break the news to you that apparently, you're just as big as a glory hunter as I am.

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Added on January 28, 2011, 4:38 pmBy watching you're inadvertently "supporting" them are you not?? Well financially at least. More people watching, means more demands for TV rights, means more money for the clubs.

This post has been edited by air_mood: Jan 28 2011, 04:40 PM