true Yukieliow theory is right. All Malaysian which support foreign league doesn't need to be ashamed that they indeed a part of glory hunter, just like me. If i'm not a glory hunter surely i will make Selangor as my priority because that is my hometown and North London has nothing to do with me. But i think the term Glory Hunter was blown out of proportion, i didn't even heard that term 10 years ago. Don't know, maybe i'm just ignorant.

i guess i'm lucky to hailed from selangor, that does not make me a GH huh because i've got the ultimate right to be a 'true' fan although they are the powerhouse in local football over the years.

tok kok oni..i pergi stamford bridge got dis one londoners call me scums .. "y u're paying ur airflight tix to watch teams that doesnt belongs to u, stuppiiidd asssyeeenn scccummss " <- british accent

I'm not sure I understand you but are you saying that a person who supports one team abroad is the same as someone supporting a number of top team abroad?

If your definition of a fan is limited to a geographical description, I'm afraid that you are looking through a straw. Not everyone is born into something. With information so freely available these days, it isn't suprising that someone from the other end of the world can know more about say Kuala Lumpur than you do.

Do you know of any car enthusiasts? Well I do, and I know how passionate they can be. The Alfa is known to be troublesome but enthusiasts claim that the driving experience is orgasmic. Were they born in Italy? So it means they are what? Not actual fans of the car but 'glory hunters', even if they know more about the car makers history and each model, more so than Italians themselves? So only Proton fans are genuine?

I can only imagine that you don't know what it feels like to support a foreign entity with passion and therefore cannot relate hence your narrow viewscope.

I really don't understand why less serious fans get so upset when they come across more serious ones. So what if you aren't as passionate? What's wrong with admitting it? But no, they have to justify why they are just as serious although they know and do less. Status in any society is earned not given, by and large anyway. If you come across a fan of 30 years who knows the ins and outs of his team, why feel the need to justify that you are on par with him when you don't think reading or history is important? Just admit that the other bloke is more passionate because he put in much more effort. Meritocracy right? There will always be someone who knows more and when you come across them, what's wrong with learning? Why do I frequent RAWK? Because there are a number of really knowledgeable posters who know so much and have personal stories you can read that you won't find anywhere else...

...and yes, I have read about the said fan and I have commented.

yess.. you are right... some people from Manchester, London, Rome, Milan, Madrid, Liverpool and Catalonia also have the same privilege.. you cannot call them the glory-hunters because that big successful clubs that they support truly representing them... just like Selangor is representing you.. so, being your representative, if Selangor wins.. you wins... you will feel extra goose-bumps proud... this is a feeling that people from other parts of the world would not feel... even how much they know about Selangor, they will never be a Selangorian...

so what happen to people from the rest of the world whose team that represent them not strong enough? the Norwich, Malaga, Cesena of the world... ? though luck with the trophies.. but they still support the team anyway.. because the teams represents them and connected to their community..their base, childhood and their day-to-day livelihood... those things are more priceless than trophies and 90 minutes worth of sport entertainment..

Football clubs have geographic location in their name for a reason.....

You do realize that some of them have went to the respective clubs' matches?

Yes it is mine. Time and time again I've had to explain that back in the day before ASTRO we only got to watch a handful of teams play. So what? Support a team I never get to watch? Supporting a shit team makes me less of a glory hunter?

No, your interpretation on my analogy of cars is wrong. My point is you don't always support or like a local product. Open your eyes to the fact the borders are being broken down and the world the getting smaller. No not physically but figuratively. With the advent of technology i.e. the internet, we are exposed to a wealth of information that we never were before. If you want to live under this little nutshell of yours, that's your perogative but don't brand others who embrace the rest of the world as traitors.

As for your reference to people having second teams but still holding their local team in high regard, think bigger. It isn't just about football is it? Well maybe it is to you but some people have other reasons to not feel any affinity for their own state. For some, its hard to love a country that treats you like a 2nd class citizen. All Thai's love their country. Do all Malaysians? Yeah maybe you do but there are reasons why some don't, ranging from racial to political ones. This as I've said many times is a topic to be discussed on the "Real World Issues" forum. Perhaps you should pop by there to understand this more.

So youre definition of glory hunter is someone that supports a more fanciful team than a local one? Flawed logic. What if my local team were the more fanciful team? So thats ok then? The term "glory hunter" suggests someone who seeks to attach themselves to continued success. Do you have some other definition of the word that is at least relevant? Is a smoker who quits, still a smoker? Is a person who supports a club who isn't winning trophies continously still a "glory hunter"? Since you've given yourself the liberty to dictate what is definitive, let me just say that you argument if flawed because your rationalistion makes little sense.

Given the choice, I choose to support something I believe in rather than blindly supporting something I don't for no other reason than being born there. If this makes me a "glory hunter" by your defintion, then so be it because your definition is closed minded and flawed.

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Added on January 27, 2011, 10:45 amHow is this even relevant to the topic? You feel the need to surround yourself with fellow lemmings? Forget the fact that we do organise gatherings and forget the fact that in 2005, we watched the Champions League final with 2000 other fans. Are you lonely or something? Yea a ticket abroad is expensive and hence saving up and going for a game, if only one game is more meaningful. A working adult getting up at 3am just to watch his team play, celebrating in the still of the night means less than prancing about with your mates? Since stadiums only fit 20,000 - 60,000 fans generally, I guess the millions of other locals are miserable cunts who have to watch the game at home. Yeah I didn't realise that. Thanks for pointing all that out by the way.


"Lost their soul"?

I've picked out some relevant definition of "soul".



Does it say, "...essential element or part of something LOCAL"? Maybe you have your own definition other than the one everyone else uses? Seems to be a norm.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 27 2011, 01:47 PM

what ever it is..im a supporter of my own country, MALAYSIA and SELANGOR fan..and im a fan of MANCHESTER UNITED too..talk what ever u want to talk..

i've got 3 team to support. Harimau Malaya (national team), Hijau Kuning (local team) and Blaugrana (oversea team).

I have a friend who supports Blackburn. I laugh at him everytime his team gets trashed. I can sure see the glory there.

people dont understand the word 'fan' and supporter.
they exist for a reason.

me, i support Malaysia, Selangor and Chelsea..i'm proud n happy when they won, i'll upset n moody when they lose....so what makes me then?..dear all cunning football lecturers, define me..this discussion is going nowhere near towards conclusion

according to the 2 pros here, you are a GH if you are not local for that team that you support.

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. All that can be asked is one do some research before forming an opinion. What disgusts me is the closed door belief that just because you are miles away from some place, you can't relate to it. Here is some evidence that you can. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I've posted this link a couple of times already on the Liverpool thread. It's a video of Reds in Indonesia holding their own memorial for Hillsborough. Have the all been to Liverpool? Did they only do this for show? for glory? You be the judge.



Jonno himself was interviewed by Liverpool's official website for their "Reds Around the World" column.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...-world-malaysia

In one of the gatherings, MyRAWK members sold their own memorabilia to raise funds for Hillsborough. For what? For glory?

Yes fans come together during the good times but they stay together because of the bad times.

P/S: For fans of other clubs, I can't use any of your examples since I'm not as familiar with them.

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Added on January 27, 2011, 2:53 pmThe reluctance to accept that we are no longer constrained by borders, whether they be technological, sociocultural, political or biological effectively effectively renders any attempt to impart reason, impossible. Let me take the liberty of sharing what I've come across in respect to this, just to prove that cultures can and already have spread. I'll limit it to wikipedia for now. Not conclusive but far more credible that what some of us have posted here. If challenged will I only strive to find more literature.

It is archane to still believe that you need to be physically present at a particular place to know about it. It renders the whole "must support local" argument irrelavant because people no longer only know about the place they are born in. In the past when the world kept to themselves, maybe. Ignorance means we see what we see as the truth, until proven otherwise. So why stay ignorant now that we don't have to? The local phrase, "katak di bawah tempurung" springs to mind.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jan 27 2011, 03:02 PM

the purist definition is, you must support the team where you are or where you come from.. no question asked... if you ask any football fan in England, especially at the pub, not to mention the Kop, that what they will tell you... that's how they are brought up..

but i have to understand that that level of purity will not reach the mass of Malaysia football fans anytime soon..
we are brought up to detest anything local and to adore anything foreign..

so for now, for me, personally, i can accept if people want to fancy certain teams from Europe for entertainment sake as long you don't abandon your responsibility to your REAL team at home..

i can understand why people want to have sexy, sophisticated and exciting mistress outside as long as they don't walk out on the wife who bore you your child and your family...

mistress means entertainment. Family is responsibility. It is a no brainer which one is more attractive and which one require sacrifices... But if you commit to responsibility for your family, in the long run, you will reach a feeling that more pure and soothing that reach deeper to the primal core of your soul..

Many Kelantan football fans probably felt that when they won the Malaysia Cup and the AFF Suzuki for the first time last year... even seeing Manchester United winning the European cup cannot top that .... When that area in you heart and soul are touched, anything else will be pale in comparison.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Jan 27 2011, 05:39 PM

I think this discussion is getting boring, long winded and out of topic. First of all MU fans are of course glory hunters, secondly this stupid thread prolly been started by MU fans who wants to give himself a convenience or reasons to accuse all people who support foreign clubs are glory hunters. Thirdly, even if this Glory Hunter term has not been coined up, most ppl will still think that MU fans are the most annoying in this world. period.

I firmly believe that loyalty should be a choice, and not mandatory. A person should not be forced to be part of something, he should be inspired. Lt. Col. James H. Doolittle once said, "there's nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer" and he's right.

Nice conclusion you got there.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, why not play along?

before making bold conclusions, you might want to check the who's the OP? If I'm not mistaken, Jonno is a Liverpool fan. An avid one as well.

This post has been edited by boxsystem: Jan 27 2011, 03:46 PM

Don't care he's a Liverpool fans or what? I just wondering why this thread has derailed into some fascist-nationalist kinda football fans b****ing about their loyalty. If they like politics so much just talk about that shit at parliamentary meetings or something, man...FFS.

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