alrite guys i bought the ON WHEY PROTEIN & universal creatine .now i'd like to know how many times a day i need to take these to achieve my goal which is getting bigger in the shortest time .
how many time on my workout days and when?
how many times on normal days and when?
u guys recommend 3 or 4 or 5 times work out per week for my goal ?

tanx in advance

gosh... =.=
how to reply u?
haha... it depends on ur workout.
u can go 7 days a week but u do ur workout lazily, then how to reach ur goal?

reaching ur goal requires
1. determination
2. hardwork
3. more hardwork
4. extra hardwork
5. get lots of rest
6. more rest
7. eat right
8. sleep right
9. lift right
10. right shape

no offence but you guys didn't answer any of these basic questions below

1.how many time on my workout days and when?
2.how many times on normal days and when?

Sorry, i thought you are asking about workout routine. I think for whey, take at least 2 scoops on workout and non-workout days. Maybe in the morning and after workout.

This post has been edited by DEVICLOT: Apr 16 2009, 06:56 PM

I have a few friends, they are huge. They workout everyday, one day focus on each muscle. They always get enough rest for the next day. In this case, whey protein is a MUST.

It says on the label.

Whey Protein Isolate is best to be taken on daily basis. Twice a day is adequate, once before breakfast and another after workout. But it depends on your daily protein intake. Let say you are 65kg, so you need around 140g - 150g of protein. Assuming that you eat 100g of protein from your solid food like chicken, fish and beef, whats left is what you need, so you just need to take like 2 scoop. I suggest you to eat more solid food, than supplement it. For non workout day. is almost the same, morning once and the other is either in between meals or with meals.

For creatine mono, it must be taken before and after workout. For before you can mix it with any juices or isotonic drink and for after you have to mix it with your protein.

This post has been edited by Kmaru: Apr 16 2009, 09:28 PM

No hate Kmaru, but taking it pre-workout wouldn't be of any benefit. Moreover, it may be quite detrimental as you may dehydrate yourself quite a bit with pre-workout creatine.

I workout almost everyday, excluding saturdays. Around 5 times a week. I don't take whey or supplements. Its not a must.

thats coz u get enough protein from ur solid meals.
haha....
some ppl just dont get enough protein from their meals...
example me... =.=
i eat 2 times or 3 times a day only.
lunch, dinner, supper(sometimes).. hahahha

Why MUST?

Dude. I seriously don't know where you get some of your info from but you're really misleading beginners. I've been taking whey for years preworkout. Hola Bola from bb.com has been doing the same.

Preworkout creatine dehydrates? Obviously, so does creatine taken any other time. Solution? Consume more water.

C'mon... really. What have you been posting recently?

This post has been edited by darklight79: Apr 16 2009, 11:47 PM

I was referring _specifically_ to _creatine_ pre-workout.

Undeniably, there are so many angles to go at how to take creatine. I just don't think it's a good idea to take it preworkout because you get dehydrated. Moreover, it's not like you get to utilise it immediately anyway.

I don't see how consumption of creatine immediately pre-workout would benefit your lift, unless you're saying that it would be absorbed into your muscles (where all the ATP utilisation is going on) within the first 30 minutes. This would of course, be news to me.

So without that immediate benefit (knowing that creatine is a maintenance sort of supplement), why would you want to get all dehydrated during your workout? That would only have a negative effect on your lifts!

I am suggesting that it would be preferable to take it in the morning way before your workout _with_ carbs and post-workout with carbs where absorption is optimum _and_ dehydration would not be a factor.

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Added on April 16, 2009, 11:58 pmNo offense to you, but you probably have your belt on too tight. If you look at things in context, you can clearly see that my post was in reference to creatine consumption.

However, I'd like to know your opinion on pre-workout creatine.

This post has been edited by mofonyx: Apr 16 2009, 11:58 PM

Sigh.... do you really need to debate long winded semantics?

Yes, creatine causes dehydration.

----------------> Drink more water. It doesn't matter whether it's taken in the morning, pre and postworkout, before sleep or before sex, creatine will cause dehydration. Again, consume more water.

Btw, Kmaru and I are following the same method of taking creatine pre and post workout. Terry Gallyot has suggested that method of creatine intake to me. A loading those is not necessary and I have noticed strength gains taking creatine preworkout.

I'm not going to mince words. You're like one of those typical individuals which are carried away with such minor little details that you lose sight of the big picture.

I like the way you just bring down discussions. I'm assuming that because I don't speak behind a bodybuilder's image, my points are all moot to you.

However, in the interest of the discussion at hand..

You're saying pre-workout creatine gives you an immediate strength boost? You're a medic, surely you would agree that it isn't likely that pre-workout creatine gets to your muscles that quickly to be ultilized for energy during the workout.

Hence, the cost of dehydration taking creatine pre-workout would be without benefit. Why do something that would only be detrimental to you? That's like, say, taking a fat loss tablet before bedtime. You'd be kept awake like a night owl.

I respect your experience in lifting weights, clearly what you're pulling is way a lot more than I would probably imagine of lifting. Similarly, I don't deny that your mentor Terry Gallot has plenty of experience.

What I'm asking you is simple, do you really believe that the creatine you take pre-workout gets utilized?

I think the main problem going about this is that you seem to see dehydration as a very simple problem that can be easily solved with drinking heaps of water. On the other hand, I feel that dehydrating during your lift can be quite bad for you. So in my opinion, why suffer the inconvenience of being thirsty when taking creatine at _any other time_ would have the same positive effect?

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Added on April 17, 2009, 1:23 amI wouldn't take it before sex though, dry tongue would really impair my oral skillz.

This post has been edited by mofonyx: Apr 17 2009, 03:24 AM

so far this is the best answer . thanks mate!

So the loading phase in creatine is not really neccessary in this case? Somehow this will be great news for taking creatine for pre and post, since i workout in the morning and tats right aft i took my breakfast so i will be consuming my creatine on both of my "best absorbtion time" during the insulin spike.

lol, that is why you are not growing mate! its not a multi-billion dollar industry for nothing. do your homework and you will know.

To counter dehydration is to drink more water. Ppl should drink water during training. Creatine taken for pre workout doesn't gives explosive burst of energy like N.O but it will improve performance in 1 week of time if taken correctly. If you say that it is non beneficial to take it for pre workout , why does Muscletech Nano Vapor, Universal Nutritions Shock Therapy, BSN N.O X-plode, MHP Trac Extreme-NO and so many more contains creatine for their pre workout ?. Most pre-workout that have been created out there contains creatine. So try to tell them that creatin is non benificial for pre. They have done research and proven that creatine is useful for pre.

I grow, just not gaining weight. You pay for my supplements then I'll definitely take la, 18 yr old college student ain't got no money.

Besides, old school bodybuilders didn't have whey or creatine in their day.

This post has been edited by John91: Apr 17 2009, 02:01 PM