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post Apr 8 2009, 05:10 PM, updated 17y ago

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Let's continue our discussion here....... anticipating Q1 corporates result flex.gif

Previous version http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/970344/+2500

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post Apr 8 2009, 05:14 PM

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wow.... last min KLCI -11 pts wink.gif
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Wah! Version 23 jor. Too bad, today I can't access M2U from my office. No transaction... sad.gif
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FENG SUI THREAD

or 4 years plan

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i thought going to open a feng sui thread lea
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Apr 8 2009, 05:14 PM)
wow.... last min KLCI -11 pts  wink.gif
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Apr 8 2009, 05:14 PM)
wow.... last min KLCI -11 pts  wink.gif
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Neeway.. welcome new thread. rclxms.gif
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-11 not enough deep .. more more
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Reported yawn.gif Bring along with the feng shui chart to new house.

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I thought the new system - just cannot be ........

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Reporting in. So far this week, I have nothing to buy or sell. All on hold. sweat.gif
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magician Najib? maybe he kept his magic wand jor. brows.gif
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FYI (for easy future reference)

Group Of Companies Which Are Closely Link To Datuk Seri Najib Razak

1. Najib’s milieu is Rohana Mahmood... Rohana sits on the boards of Paramount Corp Bhd, TH Group Bhd and Dijaya Corp Bhd.
2. Johan Holdings Bhd chairman and chief executive Tan Sri Tan Kay Hock is among the people said to be close to Najib. They have known each other for a long time and are also golfing buddies. He is also a chairman of GKent.
3. Najib’s father and Malaysia ’s second Prime Minister, Tun Abdul Razak, and Tun Hussein Onn, uncle and third Prime Minister, were good friends of Tan Sri Robert Kuok, their friendship going back to their school days ... Maybulk and his related group of companies
4. Datuk Mohamed Azman Yahya, director of Khazanah ... Bolton, Pharma, MAS, PLUS & SCOMI
5. Sapura’s Shahril and his family are also said to be close friends of Najib ... SapCrest, SAPIND, SAPRES.
6. Tan Sri Syed Mokhtar Albukhary's group of companies ... MMCCorp, AMtek, IRCB, MSC, BERNAS, KRAMAT, TWSCorp, TWSPlnt, Zeland
7. Datuk Johari Razak, the second eldest, read law, like his father. He is a senior partner at Shearn Delamore & Co, a large law firm in Kuala Lumpur . Johari is also a non-executive director in several publicly listed companies including, being chairman of Ancom Bhd, deputy chairman of related Nylex (M) Bhd, and directorships in Hong Leong Industries Bhd, Daiman Development Bhd and TWRREIT. He is also a director of Deutsche Bank (M) Bhd.
8. The middle brother, Datuk Mohamed Nizam Razak studied politics, philosophy and economics at Oxford University in the UK and was a stockbroker, being CEO of PB Securities Sdn Bhd in the 1990s. At present (Dec 2008), he is also a non-executive director in several publicly listed companies including Hiap Teck Venture Bhd, Mamee Double-Decker (M) Bhd, Delloyd Ventures Bhd, Yeo Hiap Seng (M) Bhd and Waseong, Like Johari, Nizam is also a director of Deutsche Bank.
9. The fourth brother Datuk Mohamed Nazim Razak, who also studied in a British university, is an architect. His wedding in 2005 when he married to Norjuma Habib Mohamed, former host of TV3’s Nona show, was widely covered in the media. He is a director of HLCap & HLBank.
10. The youngest brother is the most well-known. Datuk Nazir Razak had studied at Cambridge University where he obtained a master of philosophy. A career banker, he joined CIMB Investment Bank almost 20 years ago, rising through its executive ranks to become its CEO in 1999. Following the merger of CIMB and Bumiputra-Commerce Bank to become Bumiputra-Commerce Holdings Bhd (BCHB)


Politicians Who Are Closely Are Link To Najib

1. Tan Sri Azman Mokhtar, the managing director of Khanazah Nasional Bhd;
2. Tan Sri Md Nor Yusof. An ex-banker, he was the former managing director of Malaysia Airlines and past chairman of the Securities Commission. He is currently director and chairman of Khazanah’s executive committee;
3. Datuk Mohd Nadzmi Mohd Salleh, chairman and MD of express bus operator, Konsortium Transnational Bhd. The former Proton boss was called upon by the Government in 1996 to revive the ailing public transport company; Datuk Shahril Shamsuddin of Sapura Group, which has interests in communications, information technology, and oil and gas;
4. Datuk Mohamed Azman Yahya, director of Khazanah, and founder and group chief executive of outsourcing firm Symphony House Bhd. He is also the ex-CEO of Pengurusan Danaharta Bhd; and
5. Dr Gan Wee Beng, the executive director of CIMB Group.

All above six have at one point or other played a significant advisory role in government agencies and strategic sectors. Some are still at it.

6. Datuk Seri Jamaludin Jarjis (Rompin MP and Pekan-born), Datuk Seri Shafie Apdal (National Unity, Culture, Arts and Heritage Minister), and
7. Datuk Seri Ahmad Hamidi and Datuk Seri Mohamed Nazri Abdul Aziz (both Ministers in the Prime Minister’s Department). These are the chaps in his inner circle as they go back a long way.
8. Two professional managers who have performed well in the institutions on Najib’s watch may also be poised for bigger things. They are Felda Holdings Bhd CEO Datuk Bakke Salleh and Lembaga Tabung Angkatan Tentera chief Tan Sri Lodin Wok Kamarudin. They have performed very well and are admirable managers. There may be bigger things in store for them.


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you may wan to bookmark this site as well.
http://stocktube.blogspot.com/2009/04/pm-n...ir-related.html

it could be a big money maker if you buy it at the right time. but, not for now as this is a history already rolleyes.gif
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my patient finally bear fruit. tomorrow and friday very critical. The first quarter report for mulpha very very very bad? selling so heavy, already back to the price of 10 years ago. Really dont understand why they selling at current low price.

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Looks scary le. sweat.gif

I queued buy Lionind at 0.70 and went to work.. Now break time.. chk all matched ady.. laugh.gif
Lionind buying vol very big past few days hit 0.75 shocking.gif ... seems like testing its recent high which is at 0.81 Jan 09.
All coz research house gives high rating for Lionind TP 1.61.. Last year Lionind highest was 3.10 on May 2008. drool.gif

Last few weeks time Lionind drop to around 0.58 - 0.60 was very attractive... i bought some at 0.605 but sold at 0.61 for peanuts profit...

Now plan to accumulate some on price weakness...seems good for short term or long term play.

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Anybody know what happen to KLCI today? how come so big selling pressure on the end?
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i think bursa fked up their system.

their new system with the last done price was designed to prevent price manipulation at closing but this was exactly what happened.

If you look at the top counters in klci, all of them had trade that were executed during the closing session (last 15 mins) that was lower than the last price before the closing session.
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Apr 8 2009, 06:59 PM)
i think bursa fked up their system.

their new system with the last done price was designed to prevent price manipulation at closing but this was exactly what happened.

If you look at the top counters in klci, all of them had trade that were executed during the closing session (last 15 mins) that was lower than the last price before the closing session.
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It was a clear manipulation .

I was monitoring TMI where lot of buyers at rm 1.85 at about 4.45pm

Suddenly big lot of 5000 or so appeared to sell at rm 1.81 at 4.47 pm or so. Why need to key in lower when there were still buyers at much higher level ?

I guess Bursa does not really care .

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 8 2009, 07:14 PM)
It was a clear manipulation .

I was monitoring TMI where lot of buyers at rm 1.85 at about 4.45pm

Suddenly big lot of 5000 or so appeared to sell at rm 1.81 at 4.47 pm  or so. Why need to key in lower when there were still buyers at much higher level ?
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Reporting in biggrin.gif
It is clearly that new implementation doesn't prevent market manipulation
Malaysia BOLEH...kononnya! cool2.gif

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 8 2009, 07:14 PM)
It was a clear manipulation .

I was monitoring TMI where lot of buyers at rm 1.85 at about 4.45pm

Suddenly big lot of 5000 or so appeared to sell at rm 1.81 at 4.47 pm  or so. Why need to key in lower when there were still buyers at much higher level ?

I guess Bursa does not really care .
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Even if the person key in at RM 1.81 the transaction will still be the best buyer price RM1.84 . Most big company like EPF will have to key in lower price in order to match all their order. Sometimes my company do that too when they are buying a few million at a time.
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and the best part it, when i tried to sell at their last price, their system screwed up and wouldn't execute my trade.

I was selling a low volume counter, ICAP to be exact.

Last price was 1.44, the higher buyer queued at 1.45 (20 lots), and there was a buyer at 1.44 (40 lots).

I sent an order to sell 35 lots at 1.44. By logic, the system should match me for 20 lots at 1.45 and 15 lots at 1.44. But nothing happened, i couldn't cancel, called my broker and they couldn't do anything coz the bug happened at bursa.

Looks like i found a bug in their system. Hehe
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oh, i guess your right... it is bursa problem tongue.gif
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Apr 8 2009, 07:26 PM)
and the best part it, when i tried to sell at their last price, their system screwed up and wouldn't execute my trade.

I was selling a low volume counter, ICAP to be exact.

Last price was 1.44, the higher buyer queued at 1.45 (20 lots), and there was a buyer at 1.44 (40 lots).

I sent an order to sell 35 lots at 1.44. By logic, the system should match me for 20 lots at 1.45 and 15 lots at 1.44. But nothing happened, i couldn't cancel, called my broker and they couldn't do anything coz the bug happened at bursa.

Looks like i found a bug in their system. Hehe
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Yesterday, I had to key in in 3 times to sell my LCL at 57 sen, when the buyer was at 57.5sen.

First 2 times went missing, the last one was matched at 58sen.

A bit lucky though.

I called up my broker a couple of times to confirm. A broker back up sometimes helps.

Internet trading is not full proof platform.

Just to share.

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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Apr 8 2009, 07:26 PM)
and the best part it, when i tried to sell at their last price, their system screwed up and wouldn't execute my trade.

I was selling a low volume counter, ICAP to be exact.

Last price was 1.44, the higher buyer queued at 1.45 (20 lots), and there was a buyer at 1.44 (40 lots).

I sent an order to sell 35 lots at 1.44. By logic, the system should match me for 20 lots at 1.45 and 15 lots at 1.44. But nothing happened, i couldn't cancel, called my broker and they couldn't do anything coz the bug happened at bursa.

Looks like i found a bug in their system. Hehe
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 8 2009, 07:41 PM)
Yesterday, I had to key in  in 3 times to sell my LCL at 57 sen, when the buyer was at 57.5sen.

First 2 times went missing, the last one was matched  at 58sen.

A bit lucky though.

I called up my broker a couple of times to confirm. A broker back up sometimes helps.

Internet trading is not full proof platform.

Just to share.
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i suggest you file a claim against Bursa Malaysia via your stock broker, should give Bursa some headache.

who knows they might pay u?

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oh, i guess your right... it is bursa problem tongue.gif
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Hoho, the gathering of the small fishes end finally.

Ready to ambush at the dip, though still holding RESORT
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the dow futures has almost turned positive, now only -15.

european bourses also are trading positive / slightly negative now.

so fast rebound?
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 8 2009, 07:14 PM)
It was a clear manipulation .

I was monitoring TMI where lot of buyers at rm 1.85 at about 4.45pm

Suddenly big lot of 5000 or so appeared to sell at rm 1.81 at 4.47 pm  or so. Why need to key in lower when there were still buyers at much higher level ?

I guess Bursa does not really care .
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Not only TMI counter. Other counters also the same.
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DJ green +38.31
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QUOTE(Ka3tr0 @ Apr 8 2009, 10:03 PM)
DJ green +38.31
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At least DJ show us some hope tomorrow. biggrin.gif
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i am entitled for TMI rights..

when do i have to pay for the TMI offered rights?

how will i know whent he rights are out?
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QUOTE(fatw3apon @ Apr 8 2009, 10:33 PM)
DJ now green
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I think today very hard to predict. It can end up unchanged!
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I think today very hard to predict. It can end up unchanged!
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No point to predict like that since our market not available at the time when DJ is active. Just make your heart beat faster a bit biggrin.gif Only final closing is relevant tongue.gif
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dj green, ci red. hmm.gif sweat.gif

hope feng shui chart still valid. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(taikin @ Apr 8 2009, 10:36 PM)
i am entitled for TMI rights..

when do i have to pay for the TMI offered rights?

how will i know whent he rights are out?
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u know it when u receive thru postal, a document from an investment bank or something telling u got the rights.
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QUOTE(sampool @ Apr 8 2009, 11:09 PM)
dj green, ci red.  hmm.gif  sweat.gif

hope feng shui chart still valid.  tongue.gif
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u know it when u receive thru postal,  a document from an investment bank or something telling u got the rights.
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I got some due too. Should be sometime next week right ?
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yeap..

then how do i make the payment? usually what's the process to pay for the rights?
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yeap..

then how do i make the payment? usually what's the process to pay for the rights?
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reporting in v23 wink.gif

only left RESORT with me.. hmm.gif

today online queue wrong(typed 0.3) due to rushing to go out.. sold MULPHA at 3.05.. then very kek sim.. but luckily at the end the price is 2.95... tongue.gif

but now wondering in what price shud i buy it back...
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DJIA closed higher: 7,837.11 +47.55 +0.61%
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Cheroy,

I am looking at KmLoong and Chin Tek. If not mistaken you are also looking at Chin Tek right? Any additional infos?

Chin Tek
PE 5.75 DY 11.38 NTA 5.50

KM Loong
PE5.33 DY 10.84 NTA 1.83
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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 9 2009, 06:16 AM)
DJIA closed higher: 7,837.11 +47.55 +0.61%
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Not so bad performance! Need CI to response today after two days RED!
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I bought Tebrau @0.415. It is link with Iskandar devt. and being Khazanah owned. So to me safer than KNM on a short term basis. I also hve KNM.

Terbau had been steady for the whole of yesterday and only got my order matched towards the last few mins. Can be a goreng counter in short term though I hve locked in another batch at 0.425.

Motto choose stock that has some potential. Goreng if time is ripe but oso can keep if price goes down.

Just my policy (sori not "my 2 cents". Ha..ha..ha...) No offense though.
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Oil below $50. Plantation stocks might get a beating today. I expect KLSE to be red today, at least marginally.
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Oil below $50. Plantation stocks might get a beating today. I expect KLSE to be red today, at least marginally.
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phew, sold Sime yesterday sweat.gif .. might re aim it today

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Market very very slow...

Waiting for Najib announcement of new cabinet line-up
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TOPGLOVE really flying unstoppable...
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KLSE green today.. going up again.. icon_idea.gif

MRCB and ZELAN.. big vol buyer done... pushing up price again today.

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Sob sob... I wanted to buy Ezra previously, but change my mind to buy another counter instead (due to my heavy exposure in O&G stock in M'sia). Now Ezra fly jor!!!

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Market very very slow...

Waiting for Najib announcement of new cabinet line-up
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PM is seeing the King in the morning, announcement would be made by afternoon/evening.

so meantime, goreng goreng goreng! laugh.gif
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I want to ask. Is there something wrong with Bursa system today? My main system M2U is dead (due to my company) and my backup system price also a bit funny. E.g. some counters got all the data, but some got missing data like last done price, high, low even thought there is vol...

ok! Now my backup system working jor!

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QUOTE(chyaw @ Apr 9 2009, 09:34 AM)
I want to ask. Is there something wrong with Bursa system today? My main system M2U is dead (due to my company) and my backup system price also a bit funny. E.g. some counters got all the data, but some got missing data like last done price, high, low even thought there is vol...
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nope. My M2U works normally

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QUOTE(tessei @ Apr 9 2009, 09:27 AM)
TOPGLOVE really flying unstoppable...
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yeah recently i think i saw an article stating that the 2 by election victory by PKR, shows weakness in the existing Gov and could be a sign for political instability in the long run especially upcoming GE.

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It seems there's some heavy selling of RM and strenghtening of the USD, which indirectly is a Boom for TopGlove. I anyone wants to hedge their risk against RM/USD, would be wise to pick up some TopGlove shares.

So long as the USD keeps appreciating that is.



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i think today is most likely just the last legs of the rally before it starts going down again. Trap for all the people who are picking up coz they are afraid to miss out. The volume is not convincing at all.

Unless we close near the highs on Monday, then that might be a different story.

Should be a good opportunity to clear all the stock and reload your bullets smile.gif

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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Apr 9 2009, 09:44 AM)
i think today is most likely just the last legs of the rally before it starts going down again. Trap for all the people who are picking up coz they are afraid to miss out. The volume is not convincing at all.

Unless we close near the highs on Monday, then that might be a different story.

Should be a good opportunity to clear all the stock and reload your bullets smile.gif
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still early rite? may b the volume will pick up right after the announcement?.... but there is a sign of vol getting lesser by each day....
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waaa... away for a few days new thread.. smile.gif.

So, dear high punters... made millions yet????

E&O come ON!!!! LOL..
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I also feel the same... feel like KLSE ci will drop later evening like yesterday unless US futures very strong..
Tomorrow is friday... most of the traders will exit.


QUOTE(elhh82 @ Apr 9 2009, 09:44 AM)
i think today is most likely just the last legs of the rally before it starts going down again. Trap for all the people who are picking up coz they are afraid to miss out. The volume is not convincing at all.

Unless we close near the highs on Monday, then that might be a different story.

Should be a good opportunity to clear all the stock and reload your bullets smile.gif
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Apr 9 2009, 09:55 AM)
still early rite? may b the volume will pick up right after the announcement?.... but there is a sign of vol getting lesser by each day....
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i feel that the rally is dying based on my analysis of the yen exchange rate. If you look at the Yen/Usd exchange rate, it correlates quite well to activity in the emerging markets. When the yen drop, there will be many foreign money going into the small markets, when it goes up, money dries up.

During the last 3 weeks mini-bull, yen was dropping, fast. Since monday, the yen in reversing the down trend and gaining again, and this coincides with the lower and lower volume in klse. So thats why i think this is just a last desperate push before turning back.

Of course i might be completely wrong. just my 2 cents. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Apr 9 2009, 10:01 AM)
i feel that the rally is dying based on my analysis of the yen exchange rate. If you look at the Yen/Usd exchange rate, it correlates quite well to activity in the emerging markets. When the yen drop, there will be many foreign money going into the small markets, when it goes up, money dries up.

During the last 3 weeks mini-bull, yen was dropping, fast. Since monday,  the yen in reversing the down trend and gaining again, and this coincides with the lower and lower volume in klse. So thats why i think this is just a last desperate push before turning back.

Of course i might be completely wrong. just my 2 cents. tongue.gif
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USD/Yen rate is now trading below 100 right? but how can i differentiate whether it's USD that's softening or Yen gaining?
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Tomorrow is Good Friday. So, tonight if no good news from US, Dow should head south.

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I also feel the same... feel like KLSE ci will drop later evening like yesterday unless US futures very strong..
Tomorrow is friday... most of the traders will exit.
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looks like bjcorp is the goreng one today...so high already
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Apr 9 2009, 09:44 AM)
i think today is most likely just the last legs of the rally before it starts going down again. Trap for all the people who are picking up coz they are afraid to miss out. The volume is not convincing at all.

Unless we close near the highs on Monday, then that might be a different story.

Should be a good opportunity to clear all the stock and reload your bullets smile.gif
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Apr 9 2009, 10:01 AM)
i feel that the rally is dying based on my analysis of the yen exchange rate. If you look at the Yen/Usd exchange rate, it correlates quite well to activity in the emerging markets. When the yen drop, there will be many foreign money going into the small markets, when it goes up, money dries up.

During the last 3 weeks mini-bull, yen was dropping, fast. Since monday,  the yen in reversing the down trend and gaining again, and this coincides with the lower and lower volume in klse. So thats why i think this is just a last desperate push before turning back.

Of course i might be completely wrong. just my 2 cents. tongue.gif
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good observation. i share the same view as you, elhh82.

and it is still too early to say about market recovery. the past 3-weeks rally mostly are contributed by the feel-good factor of the new PM, where you see most GLC and different sectors are taking turn to flying. crude oil went up above USD50 is another factor pushing our plantation and CI to the north.

remember we had nearly 900m volume in just one day? feeling good.
but now, look at the volume.

staying at sideline never hurt sometimes.
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Lionind oso start to show some buying strength.

5000 lots wack in one go at 0.72. shocking.gif

Still have my lionind.. planning 2 sell off lo.. icon_idea.gif

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looks like bjcorp is the goreng one today...so high already
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Cheroy,

I am looking at KmLoong and Chin Tek. If not mistaken you are also looking at Chin Tek right? Any additional infos?

Chin Tek
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Yup, I am looking at Chin Tek, a super duper boring counter, but dividend is steady throughout, so not bad as dividend stock.

Without special dividend, consistent dividend based on profit is around 40-50 cents, this year should be at lower end. Still at lower end, it translates more than 7% yield.
Cashflow generation every year around 10-20 million can be expected if without major new investment.

Debt free, sitting with 170 million cash, which translate about 2.50 cash per share.

Singaporean own and management.

Can't buy too much, below hundred lot still ok, more than that difficult to buy and sell, seldom trade, liquidity is low

PE is around 11 based on lasteset Q earning of 14 cents.

Don't expect much from it as it is a boring counter, even when CPO reached 4000 time, its share was around 8+ only. As it won't be fund managers targetted stock due to its low liquidity.
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K.. Lionind all sold at 0.725 for bigger peanuts. laugh.gif

Now que buy back at 0.70 laugh.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 9 2009, 11:50 AM)
Yup, I am looking at Chin Tek, a super duper boring counter, but dividend is steady throughout, so not bad as dividend stock.

Without special dividend, consistent dividend based on profit is around 40-50 cents, this year should be at lower end. Still at lower end, it translates more than 7% yield.
Cashflow generation every year around 10-20 million can be expected if without major new investment.

Debt free, sitting with 170 million cash, which translate about 2.50 cash per share.

Singaporean own and management.

Can't buy too much, below hundred lot still ok, more than that difficult to buy and sell, seldom trade, liquidity is low

PE is around 11 based on lasteset Q earning of 14 cents.

Don't expect much from it as it is a boring counter, even when CPO reached 4000 time, its share was around 8+ only. As it won't be fund managers targetted stock due to its low liquidity.
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Yup chin tek is one of the best high yield plantation counter nod.gif I tot no one notice it tongue.gif


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Yup chin tek is one of the best high yield plantation counter  nod.gif I tot no one notice it  tongue.gif
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FCPO just tested new high abit... smile.gif
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Apr 9 2009, 11:18 AM)
Yup chin tek is one of the best high yield plantation counter  nod.gif I tot no one notice it  tongue.gif
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Not no one notice it, just no one mention it, because that's too boring liao. But keep as alternative to FD still all right... haha... much higher rate than FD.
But their directors all very old liao... hmm.gif Quite a number of them from Sinkapo also...

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 8 2009, 01:43 PM)
Congrats.  thumbup.gif Wished I could be like that too but afraid of being left behind..... that's why still holding about 50% stocks.... 3 counters in the green and 1 counter in the red.....

When will you enter the market again?  hmm.gif
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man this thread moves so fast in 24 hours.

well, i dun trade like u all lol. everyday you all check in, i check in maybe once in a week or once in 2 weeks. If follow day to day movement sure panic and die. like air asia, i bought it when it fell to around 0.95, and then it continued to drop to around 0.8 plus. but i held it cuz i just knew around sometime it march 2009 it should be back to above 1. and so i finally sold at 1.06

anyway i've entered into Maybank at 3.88 yesterday evening, and plan to sell sometime around July - August time period, and expect to make some profit. Otherwise i dun mind holding till late this year.

i dun advise people to follow me though, cuz i dun use any formula but rather my own gut feeling. Hasnt failed me so far and so far all my trades have been profitable, though some are small fry profit. all i want is to have my returns more than what i'd get compared to putting into the bank deposit

0.95 air asia (one of the shares i bought at that time) around end of nov sold at 1.06, is about 11% profit for me in around 4 months. so good enough for me smile.gif

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QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Apr 9 2009, 09:56 AM)
waaa... away for a few days new thread.. smile.gif.

So, dear high punters... made millions yet????

E&O come ON!!!! LOL..
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Zelan a gogo again today rclxm9.gif

Viper did you follow own advice and ride the goreng train? brows.gif

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I que too low 0.735 din managed to get doh.gif

Only get lionind..

Most of the stock i aim went up..

Tgoffs, Osk, Lionind, mrcb..zelan, mmc.. wah seong, kencana, oso.. kao.. all running away from me... shakehead.gif

Zelan news from my remiser seems quite true.. moving towards 0.80 but resistance is strong at 0.77

QUOTE(PBB boleh @ Apr 9 2009, 11:45 AM)
Zelan a gogo again today rclxm9.gif

Viper did you follow own advice and ride the goreng train? brows.gif
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QUOTE(Baronic @ Apr 9 2009, 11:36 AM)
man this thread moves so fast in 24 hours.

well, i dun trade like u all lol. everyday you all check in, i check in maybe once in a week or once in 2 weeks. If follow day to day movement sure panic and die. like air asia, i bought it when it fell to around 0.95, and then it continued to drop to around 0.8 plus. but i held it cuz i just knew around sometime it march 2009 it should be back to above 1. and so i finally sold at 1.06

anyway i've entered into Maybank at 3.88 yesterday evening, and plan to sell sometime around July - August time period, and expect to make some profit. Otherwise i dun mind holding till late this year.

i dun advise people to follow me though, cuz i dun use any formula but rather my own gut feeling. Hasnt failed me so far and so far all my trades have been profitable, though some are small fry profit. all i want is to have my returns more than what i'd get compared to putting into the bank deposit

0.95 air asia (one of the shares i bought at that time) around end of nov sold at 1.06, is about 11% profit for me in around 4 months. so good enough for me smile.gif
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I see.....

Yeah, some of us are kaki stock trading..... our way:
- everyday have to see stocks....
- KLSE go up also cannot, KLSE go down also complain....
- we like to eat peanuts, prefer banana but the best is the 'bull with legs'
- even though it hurts, we like to catch the falling knife....
- we don't like holidays

biggrin.gif laugh.gif nod.gif Anything I miss out?

QUOTE(PBB boleh @ Apr 9 2009, 11:45 AM)
Zelan a gogo again today rclxm9.gif

Viper did you follow own advice and ride the goreng train? brows.gif
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Ya la... didn't follow viper88's observation and buy some... doh.gif

Was expecting the stock market to drop before getting some.... sad.gif
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I see.....

Yeah, some of us are kaki stock trading..... our way:
- everyday have to see stocks....
- KLSE go up also cannot, KLSE go down also complain....
- we like to eat peanuts, prefer banana but the best is the 'bull with legs'
- even though it hurts, we like to catch the falling knife....
- we don't like holidays

biggrin.gif  laugh.gif  nod.gif Anything I miss out?
Ya la... didn't follow viper88's observation and buy some...  doh.gif

Was expecting the stock market to drop before getting some....  sad.gif
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haha, yea, well, when i first started i did day to day trading as well, but its just too unpredictable and too many speculative factors. ended up making loses. ever since i adapted a...medium term trading, i began to consistently make profits. lol. i also stay away from goreng stocks. stick with stuff that i know will go up and less speculative factors. My gut is telling me by august Maybank should definitely be above 4, and even if it doesnt i can hold and get some dividends. my funds are spare funds so i wun suddenly have to withdraw, so no problems for me biggrin.gif

so my Maybank at 3.88 i plan to sell around august, or if i can get a nice profit before that i'd sell.

I usually dun do "hold somemore, maybe will go higher". Once i obtain my expected returns i sell smile.gif and then wait like a wolf for the next panic selling
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QUOTE(Baronic @ Apr 9 2009, 12:26 PM)
haha, yea, well, when i first started i did day to day trading as well, but its just too unpredictable and too many speculative factors. ended up making loses. ever since i adapted a...medium term trading, i began to consistently make profits. lol. i also stay away from goreng stocks. stick with stuff that i know will go up and less speculative factors. My gut is telling me by august Maybank should definitely be above 4, and even if it doesnt i can hold and get some dividends. my funds are spare funds so i wun suddenly have to withdraw, so no problems for me biggrin.gif

so my Maybank at 3.88 i plan to sell around august, or if i can get a nice profit before that i'd sell.

I usually dun do "hold somemore, maybe will go higher". Once i obtain my expected returns i sell smile.gif and then wait like a wolf for the next panic selling
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Yeah, sometimes goreng can burn you if you're not careful. I'm lucky so far as I play it safe. Earn a bit also ok.

You're not planning to keep Maybank for long term? It will definitely go up kaw kaw one day.... probably in 3-5 years....

I might get Maybank if the price goes down further, to hold for long long looooonnngg term.... I have a feeling that it will go down a bit more once the rights issue has completed and the new shares come in......

QUOTE(sampool @ Apr 9 2009, 12:31 PM)
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Why? Make a lot of money ka? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 9 2009, 01:32 PM)
Yeah, sometimes goreng can burn you if you're not careful. I'm lucky so far as I play it safe. Earn a bit also ok.

You're not planning to keep Maybank for long term? It will definitely go up kaw kaw one day.... probably in 3-5 years....

I might get Maybank if the price goes down further, to hold for long long looooonnngg term.... I have a feeling that it will go down a bit more once the rights issue has completed and the new shares come in......
Why? Make a lot of money ka?  hmm.gif
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still another 50% more share in stock bank. icon_rolleyes.gif
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I have been follow ur strategy: 忍忍...... 50K cash, hand so itchy.....

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Not no one notice it, just no one mention it, because that's too boring liao. But keep as alternative to FD still all right... haha... much higher rate than FD.
But their directors all very old liao... hmm.gif Quite a number of them from Sinkapo also...
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I am waiting it to drop back to RM 5.00 laugh.gif
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Ya.. true.. stock addict .. tongue.gif

Everyday do research on stocks, chk which stocks is good to buy
Calculate how many peanuts profit made so far.
Dunno whether to cry or laugh if make losses or peanut gains.
Mood swing when market plunge .. vmad.gif
Eat, sleep, work, holiday time oso think about stocks.. buy which stock, how much entry price..how much den sell, how to recover losses, how to make more profit.. rolleyes.gif

Any1 can handle this well.. can aim for full time play ady if have good capital + highly discipline in stock invest/trading strategies..

Play safe and be strong in this volatile market. icon_rolleyes.gif

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I see.....

Yeah, some of us are kaki stock trading..... our way:
- everyday have to see stocks....
- KLSE go up also cannot, KLSE go down also complain....
- we like to eat peanuts, prefer banana but the best is the 'bull with legs'
- even though it hurts, we like to catch the falling knife....
- we don't like holidays

biggrin.gif  laugh.gif  nod.gif Anything I miss out?
Ya la... didn't follow viper88's observation and buy some...  doh.gif

Was expecting the stock market to drop before getting some....  sad.gif
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hey, i heard CIMB gonna take over Maybank......is this true?
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The sad thing about DIY investments.

You spend so much time doing research, and you know they are good .

But finally coming to a major decision,

You lose the confidence.

Even you jump into it, you jump out too soon.

Are you well paid for your research ?
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CIMB is also having financial problem... take over maybank somemore?
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CIMB is also having financial problem... take over maybank somemore?
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many rumors around say that it is going to happen as maybank have many trouble
some more najib brother is running CIMB
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many rumors around say that it is going to happen as maybank have many trouble
some more najib brother is running CIMB
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Maybank is huge, even at current prices, it's gonna be an pricey thing to even consider rolleyes.gif

Somemore shareholders just kena rights issue... sweat.gif

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if this is true, people will start stocking up Maybank icon_idea.gif

and also mean that Maybank's move to buy Indonesia Bank was part of najib's strategy too? hmm.gif
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hey, i heard CIMB gonna take over Maybank......is this true?
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i think this topic had been going on somewhere around the BII n Pakistan Maybank deal.
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if this is true, people will start stocking up Maybank  icon_idea.gif

and also mean that Maybank's move to buy Indonesia Bank was part of najib's strategy too?  hmm.gif
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that 1 i dont know, what i know a lawyer make a terible mistake(or on purpose) when Maybank want to buy Indonesia Bank.

mean while, i already sell all my shares, hopping KLSE will drop next week
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Ya.. true.. stock addict .. tongue.gif

Everyday do research on stocks, chk which stocks is good to buy
Calculate how many peanuts profit made so far.
Dunno whether to cry or laugh if make losses or peanut gains.
Mood swing when market plunge .. vmad.gif
Eat, sleep, work, holiday time oso think about stocks.. buy which stock, how much entry price..how much den sell, how to recover losses, how to make more profit.. rolleyes.gif

Any1 can handle this well.. can aim for full time play ady if have good capital + highly discipline in stock invest/trading strategies..

Play safe and be strong in this volatile market.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Congratulation to all of us... we all are winner cause we still have capital. Some of my friends stick at very high price. when we already gain few hundred %, those stick at hign only just break even. No wrong to be stock addict, playing stock is our parttime job right!
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Though my gut tell me RESORT will dam sure goto RM2.5 by July/Aug, i still wanna watch the price daily in case it shoot up so i can achieve my tp earlier sweat.gif
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 9 2009, 12:42 PM)
Ya.. true.. stock addict .. tongue.gif

Everyday do research on stocks, chk which stocks is good to buy
Calculate how many peanuts profit made so far.
Dunno whether to cry or laugh if make losses or peanut gains.
Mood swing when market plunge .. vmad.gif
Eat, sleep, work, holiday time oso think about stocks.. buy which stock, how much entry price..how much den sell, how to recover losses, how to make more profit.. rolleyes.gif

Any1 can handle this well.. can aim for full time play ady if have good capital + highly discipline in stock invest/trading strategies..

Play safe and be strong in this volatile market.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Haha... true true.... however, nowadays quite lazy to do research.... will wait for people to give tips brows.gif

I will be very happy if the market plunge another time as I will also take the last big plunge if it does happen. Now waiting at the sidelines......

Still thinking about exiting RESORT due to the anticipated volatility....... haiz.....

Also thinking about tomorrow, Good Friday, holiday in Sarawak but stock market still open!!! rclxms.gif thumbup.gif rclxm9.gif

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Though my gut tell me RESORT will dam sure goto RM2.5 by July/Aug, i still wanna watch the price  daily in case it shoot up so i can achieve my tp earlier  sweat.gif
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Be patient. The market is on rotational plays.

Your turn would come, either sooner or later.

Happy waiting biggrin.gif
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new cabinet announcement would be out by 4PM, wonder how would it affect our market  hmm.gif

dow future is green +72.00
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The new Deputy FM is interesting.

I guess she could be a capable lady. biggrin.gif
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Though my gut tell me RESORT will dam sure goto RM2.5 by July/Aug, i still wanna watch the price  daily in case it shoot up so i can achieve my tp earlier  sweat.gif
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what reason you so sure that it will reach that tp?
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Though my gut tell me RESORT will dam sure goto RM2.5 by July/Aug, i still wanna watch the price  daily in case it shoot up so i can achieve my tp earlier  sweat.gif
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$$$2.5 drool.gif 2.5 drool.gif 2.5 drool.gif 2.5 drool.gif $$$

I really hope your gut feeling is right...

but i am shifting gears looking into plantation again, waiting for it to collapse keke...


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I just thought of something and I'd like to share with you guys. Give me your feedback.

I went to a free preview talk by one of the local traders. She said her trading strategy is to follow the money. Follow the money means following Foreign Funds. From my memory, this is how it works. FF will come in to buy the shares... then goreng it up. At high price, it will slowly sell 80% of its shares. Then the last 20%, it will sell aggressively to make the price fall alot. Small investors will get scared and follow to sell. Then when time is right, the FF will start buying up cheaply again.

I don't know if what she said is true or not. But if it is true, then maybe our market hasn't bottomed yet. This depends on what the FF wants to do.

A few weeks ago, The Star pointed out that the FF has less than 20% equity in the stock market. If what the speaker said is true, then will the FF use this last bit of shares to sell down the market?

Look at Oct 2008. Our market crashed. Many counters price dropped alot. The problem is, at that time, the FF were selling because they wanted to repatriate the capital back to US. Not because they wanted to profit. So even when prices were low, they still sold.

The speaker's analogy: Sell 80% to take profit, then sell 20% to crash the market.
What happened: Sold lots of shares to repatriate capital back to US. Now left with less than 20% equity.

What will the FF going to do with the remaining shares? Will they sell down the market, or will they sell these remaining shares at the best price they can get to minimize their losses or maximise their profit? Remember, they didn't profit enough when they sold their earlier shares.

If FF take first action, then market hasn't bottomed yet. If FF takes second action, then likely market has already bottomed.

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I just thought of something and I'd like to share with you guys. Give me your feedback.

I went to a free preview talk by one of the local traders. She said her trading strategy is to follow the money. Follow the money means following Foreign Funds. From my memory, this is how it works. FF will come in to buy the shares... then goreng it up. At high price, it will slowly sell 80% of its shares. Then the last 20%, it will sell aggressively to make the price fall alot. Small investors will get scared and follow to sell. Then when time is right, the FF will start buying up cheaply again.

I don't know if what she said is true or not. But if it is true, then maybe our market hasn't bottomed yet. This depends on what the FF wants to do.

A few weeks ago, The Star pointed out that the FF has less than 20% equity in the stock market. If what the speaker said is true, then will the FF use this last bit of shares to sell down the market?

Look at Oct 2008. Our market crashed. Many counters price dropped alot. The problem is, at that time, the FF were selling because they wanted to repatriate the capital back to US. Not because they wanted to profit. So even when prices were low, they still sold.

The speaker's analogy: Sell 80% to take profit, then sell 20% to crash the market.
What happened: Sold lots of shares to repatriate capital back to US. Now left with less than 20% equity.

What will the FF going to do with the remaining shares? Will they sell down the market, or will they sell these remaining shares at the best price they can get to minimize their losses or maximise their profit? Remember, they didn't profit enough when they sold their earlier shares.

If FF take first action, then market hasn't bottomed yet. If FF takes second action, then likely market has already bottomed.
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I think PNB is smarter than FF. They are collecting now.

When FF come, PNB would sell to them at double the price.

The last time, I saw PNB sold KLK at rm15 a piece. biggrin.gif

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i doubt it the local market will be hoodwinked by FF especially when they only control 20% of the equity market for the time being...

With ample amunition in stock from the 2nd stimulus pack, soverign funds like EPF, ValueCrap aand so on may have sufficient funds to discourage such attemps to deliberately manipulate the market (on a grand scale).

this is however the reverse in the futures market.

simplesmile:

drool.gif by the way good call on LCL, any thoughts of cashing in yet drool.gif

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To certain extent it is true.

They sold Genting aggressively down. Resort World could be another.

When they left, Genting bounces back.
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Apr 9 2009, 02:00 PM)
I just thought of something and I'd like to share with you guys. Give me your feedback.

I went to a free preview talk by one of the local traders. She said her trading strategy is to follow the money. Follow the money means following Foreign Funds. From my memory, this is how it works. FF will come in to buy the shares... then goreng it up. At high price, it will slowly sell 80% of its shares. Then the last 20%, it will sell aggressively to make the price fall alot. Small investors will get scared and follow to sell. Then when time is right, the FF will start buying up cheaply again.

I don't know if what she said is true or not. But if it is true, then maybe our market hasn't bottomed yet. This depends on what the FF wants to do.

A few weeks ago, The Star pointed out that the FF has less than 20% equity in the stock market. If what the speaker said is true, then will the FF use this last bit of shares to sell down the market?

Look at Oct 2008. Our market crashed. Many counters price dropped alot. The problem is, at that time, the FF were selling because they wanted to repatriate the capital back to US. Not because they wanted to profit. So even when prices were low, they still sold.

The speaker's analogy: Sell 80% to take profit, then sell 20% to crash the market.
What happened: Sold lots of shares to repatriate capital back to US. Now left with less than 20% equity.

What will the FF going to do with the remaining shares? Will they sell down the market, or will they sell these remaining shares at the best price they can get to minimize their losses or maximise their profit? Remember, they didn't profit enough when they sold their earlier shares.

If FF take first action, then market hasn't bottomed yet. If FF takes second action, then likely market has already bottomed.
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I don't think FF are so co-ordinated in their action. Maybe if only one major FF in the market, then they can manipulate or if they target specific counters. I think the case of selling/buying in the whole market more like a herd movement thing rather than co-ordinated effort to crash the market smile.gif

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I don't think FF are so co-ordinated in their action. Maybe if only one major FF in the market, then they can manipulate or if they target specific counters. I think the case of selling/buying in the whole market more like a herd movement thing rather than co-ordinated effort to crash the market  smile.gif
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1997/98. It was co-ordinated, well planned in ahead.

But History is not a favorite subject nowaday

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 9 2009, 02:08 PM)
i doubt it the local market will be hoodwinked by FF especially when they only control 20% of the equity market for the time being...

With ample amunition in stock from the 2nd stimulus pack, soverign funds like EPF, ValueCrap aand so on may have sufficient funds to discourage such attemps to deliberately manipulate the market (on a grand scale).

this is however the reverse in the futures market.

simplesmile:

drool.gif  by the way good call on LCL, any thoughts of cashing in yet  drool.gif
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I cashed out LCL @0.57 today. Waiting to buy back @0.56 but seems like it's not coming down. Unlike yesterday, it was yo-yo up and down. Let's see if it comes down tomorrow. If my plan works out, I end up with an extra 600 shares.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 9 2009, 02:13 PM)
To certain extent it is true.

They sold Genting aggressively down. Resort World could be another.

When they left, Genting  bounces back.
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did you know that genting is losing money in overseas such as england?
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I cashed out LCL @0.57 today. Waiting to buy back @0.56 but seems like it's not coming down. Unlike yesterday, it was yo-yo up and down. Let's see if it comes down tomorrow. If my plan works out, I end up with an extra 600 shares.
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did you know that genting is losing money in overseas such as england?
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Did you know the price go up ?

I prefer Genting than Citigroup, if given a choice.

One is a gold mine and the other is a LAKE.

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Did you know the price go up ?
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yeah i knew that and i think they stop losing money
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yeah i knew that and i think they stop losing money
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oh look the market is taking off..

look forward to a crash tomorrow.. keke..

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oh look the market is taking off..

look forward to a crash tomorrow.. keke..
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If we look at bjcorp recently goldman sachs has been acquiring shares and vincent tan has been disposing. Not sure whether goldman sachs r still buying now contribution to the price increase??
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what reason you so sure that it will reach that tp?
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If we look at bjcorp recently goldman sachs has been acquiring shares and vincent tan has been disposing. Not sure whether goldman sachs r still buying now contribution to the price increase??
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sometimes its hard to say whether it is actually Goldman whose buying or selling, to tell you the truth if your rich enough and your a big enough bank... you don't have to reveal your underlying client.

So the front cover may be Goldman, but the person pulling the strings may be vincent tan

especially prevailant in Omnibus accounts.

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wad happen to klse? shoot up so high 1?
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sometimes its hard to say whether it is actually Goldman whose buying or selling, to tell you the truth if your rich enough and your a big enough bank... you don't have to reveal your underlying client.

So the front cover may be Goldman, but the person pulling the strings may be vincent tan

especially prevailant in Omnibus accounts.
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Hmm... isnt that money laundering & against the law somewhere ?

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Hmm... isnt that money laundering & against the law somewhere ?
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it is a form of money laundering and also possibly market manipulation but to prove it is all together a different matter because not only is it international but its covered with layers of dirt. Most likely any attempt to find the true entity will lead to one brickwall and another brickwall.

normally..

the KYC policy is only very basic and only go so far just to scratch the surface of things. If a person or entity were to hoodwink a local bank or IB, its not all that difficult... you just need someone wif inside knowledge on how things work.
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oh look the market is taking off..

look forward to a crash tomorrow.. keke..
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Every week seems wanna to crash but since 2nd week of march CI is moving on..
all stock seems getting pricy (some already break double bottom pattern..)

major boat passed by...

confused?? rclxub.gif

hehehehe
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many share is burning to klse, 40% left, not dare to throw. may ci will shoot to 1000 end of april. smile.gif
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QUOTE(tessei @ Apr 9 2009, 03:08 PM)
Every week seems wanna to crash but since 2nd week of march CI is moving on..
all stock seems getting pricy (some already break double bottom pattern..)

major boat passed by...

confused??  rclxub.gif

hehehehe
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Whats the rush, i personally don't think this type of trend is sustainable... its like sugar rush in a state of euphoria.. but once a person starts sobering up, u'd see the horror of things.

On the reverse of it, i could be wrong so don't quote me but I am betting on a final mother of all crashes.

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Apr 9 2009, 02:00 PM)
I just thought of something and I'd like to share with you guys. Give me your feedback.

I went to a free preview talk by one of the local traders. She said her trading strategy is to follow the money. Follow the money means following Foreign Funds. From my memory, this is how it works. FF will come in to buy the shares... then goreng it up. At high price, it will slowly sell 80% of its shares. Then the last 20%, it will sell aggressively to make the price fall alot. Small investors will get scared and follow to sell. Then when time is right, the FF will start buying up cheaply again.

I don't know if what she said is true or not. But if it is true, then maybe our market hasn't bottomed yet. This depends on what the FF wants to do.

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Do not think FF must be good.
I would say the speaker look too high on them.

Why people always have high regard on them? Because they come with big bullet and aggressive, which when they move, they move in big which send the market sky-rocketing and market surge for some period of time almost non-stop.

Every fund managers's account is not transparent, nobody knows whether their goreng is successful earn them money everytime. They could fail to goreng up and stuck with it which is quite norm. Every years there are plenty of hedge fund doing superbly but there are some funds closing down.

If everyone of them (FF) are indeed that good, we won't have this financial crisis which those financial expert bring down 100 years old history financial instituition.

Also don't look down on EPF and PNB, they are not dump too. They are the sellers as well during last bull market.

Every goreng start and come with different pattern, you cannot forsee and predict accurately each time. It is like chess game, you can start your pawn in various way. If not, everyone can guess it, and take advatange of it, by then their goreng won't be successful.
Theory always sound easy, real trade and real world is not that simple that must be this and that. It is just like a chess game.
If you try to predict what opponent will be doing, your chance of getting right is no different than hitting the lottery. Instead better concentrate on your strategy and tactic instead of thinking how other will move. See other move already, then adjust tactic and strategy according. Second guess what they will be doing is just wasting time only. It just like predict what you will eat to night, pizza, KFC, roti canai. biggrin.gif

Why we do investment based on fundamental? instead of goreng or short term trade?
Because we don't need to second guess how other or future what price other will be buying or willng to pay more price than currently. We just need the company make enough profit and give dividend to us.

The one we can know, is that most retailers like to chase after the stock after surging or greendish time, which they don't look back the stock has been rising 2x or 3x or even more, they just buy according to their gut and feeling good about the market time which goreng syndicate capitalised on.


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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 9 2009, 04:11 PM)
Whats the rush, i personally don't think this type of trend is sustainable... its like sugar rush in a state of euphoria.. but once a person starts sobering up, u'd see the horror of things.

On the reverse of it, i could be wrong so don't quote me but I am betting on a final mother of all crashes.
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that is y, those who sold last week is trapped actually. ppl just think last week is the bottom and the chance buy low will never came back even they know market may crash, but may happen end of april. tongue.gif

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Hmm... isnt that money laundering & against the law somewhere ?
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It is not considered money laudering at all in this way.

Goldman Sachs is a investment bank (not become holding company), they can just buying based on request from some clients.
Whether they actually own or not own or buying based on their decision, we don't know.

Just like you buy a share let say xyz through M2U, the record will show M2U is the one buying xyz, not you.

In actual investment world, it is much more complex, just a simple illustration.
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纳吉新内阁名单终于揭盅了
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4月9日 下午3点34分
新任首相纳吉今日揭盅其新内阁名单,这个被命名为新团队的内阁,共拥有28名部长及40名副部长。纳吉强调,人民要求是一个对人民需求,反应迅速的负责任领袖,以达致“一个马来西亚”口号的目标。

纳吉也宣布将会设立关键绩效指标,来监督40正副部长的表现,并委任一名首相署部长,特别负责监督此事。

之前在308大选后,拒绝受委为交通部副部长原地踏步,而引起政坛震撼的哈尼发终于扶正,担任外交部长。

至于备受瞩目的巫青团长凯里则不受委,不过党选落败对手马哈迪幼子凯里,则出任副贸工部长。

至于科艺部和能讯部则合并为能源、绿色工艺及水务部,并由陈法贵出掌部长。

纳吉本身兼掌财政部,巫统署理主席慕尤丁出任副首相兼掌教育部。

巫统副主席阿末扎希国防部长,第二高票副主席希山慕丁担任内政部长,另一名副主席莎菲益则出掌乡村发展部长。

至于巫统妇女组主席莎里扎则重新受委妇女部长。其副手也是今日被委为上议员的马华妇女组主席周美芬。

至于在华裔部长方面,今日宣誓就任上议员的许子根受委为首相署部长,负责团结及监督部门的表现。

至于马华继续维持四名部长的格局,江作汉升正房屋部长,取代在党选中落败的黄家泉。至于黄燕燕专任旅游部长,翁诗杰继续执掌交通部,廖仲赖则继续担任卫生部长。

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It is not considered money laudering at all in this way.

Goldman Sachs is a investment bank (not become holding company), they can just buying based on request from some clients.
Whether they actually own or not own or buying based on their decision, we don't know.

Just like you buy a share let say xyz through M2U, the record will show M2U is the one buying xyz, not you.

In actual investment world, it is much more complex, just a simple illustration.
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say Mr. vincent a Malaysian had open an account with Goldman using his 888 company as a client, he directs Goldman to invest in Malaysia.

Isn't there hints of Laundering?

Some may legit investment reasons doin so but unless proven otherwise than we will need to know the reason and intention of why a person is doing such.



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something is wrong in the market i still cant figure it out.....
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Looks like Maybank-OR under heavy selling pressure. Look at seller side sweat.gif Might grab some if it drops to about 90sen drool.gif . Another 4 more days to go. Maybe the goreng traders will dump the shares if they cannot pick it up for conversion.
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look like lyn so quiet, even stocks market climb. sweat.gif rolleyes.gif
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look like lyn so quiet, even stocks market climb.  sweat.gif  rolleyes.gif
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MR MARKET=LYN MEMBERs=UNDECIDED UP/DOWN (for the moment)
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the rally still on till ci 950 at less. 2cents only.
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i thought i read it somewhere.. that the highest predicted for the rally may bound between 925 - 875.


Added on April 9, 2009, 4:04 pm4.04pm. looks like the entire market been quiet down and slowly the klci index sliding down d..

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i thought i read it somewhere.. that the highest predicted for the rally may bound between 925 - 875.


Added on April 9, 2009, 4:04 pm4.04pm. looks like the entire market been quiet down and slowly the klci index sliding down d..
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i got feeling the market will crash last mins, like yesterday patent.
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could be another slam dunk for the last minute closing??
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lolz.. i only got the news part.. waiting for your update on the rumuors


Added on April 9, 2009, 4:09 pmbased on the table of green peas now.. still got many queueing to go in .. really unbelieveable.. i guess they are really bullet proof..

I also agree with you guys.. might be a 'jump off the cliff"

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buy on rumour, sell on news.
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it is too risky difficult to diagest wat is really good news or bad news and the news can be good for few days, apply feng shui in ci is better, safe and easy. whistling.gif


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lolz.. i only got the news part.. waiting for your update on the rumuors


Added on April 9, 2009, 4:09 pmbased on the table of green peas now.. still got many queueing to go in ..  really unbelieveable.. i guess they are really bullet proof..

I also agree with you guys.. might be a 'jump off the cliff"
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buy on rumour, sell on news.
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could be another slam dunk for the last minute closing??
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i guess as far as i know, it may stay green ... the real dip will be happening on friday ..

Tonight got to check out the list of the new cabinets in the play.. hehe


Added on April 9, 2009, 4:20 pmwow.. didnt expect so fast.. the list .. thanks man


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What do you think ?  icon_idea.gif
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say Mr. vincent a Malaysian had open an account with Goldman using his 888 company as a client, he directs Goldman to invest in Malaysia.

Isn't there hints of Laundering?

Some may legit investment reasons doin so but unless proven otherwise than we will need to know the reason and intention of why a person is doing such.
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Until there is a prove, not guilty until proven.

Thing is dead, human is flexible, so it depends on creativity of the human.

The law cannot question why a person want to do this do that. You need prove to show it is or its intention to do so, then only guilty. That's all, full stop. smile.gif


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Genting... geng.... 3.3x to 4.4 less than a month

who put the road block for RESORT at 2.3 vmad.gif

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tomorrow indicators indicate that maxis stocks will jump 24bips.. dont loose the opportunity
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tomorrow indicators indicate that maxis stocks will jump 24bips.. dont loose the opportunity
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tomorrow indicators indicate that maxis stocks will jump 24bips.. dont loose the opportunity
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忍忍。。。

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wa.... so big "kap na" jump in the street??  sweat.gif
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Until there is a prove, not guilty until proven.

Thing is dead, human is flexible, so it depends on creativity of the human.

The law cannot question why a person want to do this do that. You need prove to show it is or its intention to do so, then only guilty. That's all, full stop.  smile.gif
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haiyoh this arguement somemore, sometimes crime you don't have to wait until you see smoke than shout got fire. If enforcers have to wait until they see fire than only act, there wouldnt be anything left!

There is a need to strike pre-emptively or to demand for more documentation, there is no harm to be over-zeleous with enforcement in the name of transparency. The fear is only the people who launder illicit gains through the system.

Our anti money laundering act has the sufficient power to deal with such circumstances, problem is the Banks lack the will power or the manpower with the requisite training to carry out and execute or coporate with regulators in relations to such matters.

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Imaging if all banks ask you for a copy of income tax form before accepting FD deposits.

6 months down the road, there would be a bank crisis.

More right issues on the way.

Saying is easy, no doubt.

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haiyoh this arguement somemore, sometimes crime you don't have to wait until you see smoke than shout got fire. If enforcers have to wait until they see fire than only act, there wouldnt be anything left!

There is a need to strike pre-emptively or to demand for more documentation, there is no harm to be over-zeleous with enforcement in the name of transparency. The fear is only the people who launder illicit gains through the system.

Our anti money laundering act has the sufficient power to deal with such circumstances, problem is the Banks lack the will power or the manpower with the requisite training to carry out and execute or coporate with regulators in relations to such matters.

It an open-ended arguement.

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We can open a topic debate on this. It is a long long arguement/discussion, no doubt about it. icon_rolleyes.gif

Got smoke surely got fire, but need to pin-point the fire site (prove) before fire-fighter can go to rescue/tackle. tongue.gif
Got smoke then straight away phone to fire department but no actual site given, then you will be accused of reporting fraud. biggrin.gif

As said by SKY, look simple, but doing it time, not that simple.

We should back to stock market chit chat then. OT too much.
Cheers. smile.gif

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Imaging if all banks  ask you for a copy of income tax form before accepting FD deposits.

6  months down the road, there would be a bank crisis.

More right issues on the way.

Saying is easy, no doubt.
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We can open a topic debate on this. It is a long long arguement/discussion, no doubt about it.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Got smoke surely got fire, but need to pin-point the fire site (prove) before fire-fighter can go to rescue/tackle.  tongue.gif
Got smoke then straight away phone to fire department but no actual site given, then you will be accused of reporting fraud.  biggrin.gif

As said by SKY, look simple, but doing it time, not that simple.

We should back to stock market chit chat then. OT too much.
Cheers.  smile.gif
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for the record, there is no offence for any BaNK in Malaysia to report any Money Laundering Activity (regardless whetehr suspected or atempt) if reported to BNM FIC unit.

So like i emphasize before, the mechanism is there just that Banks r reluctant to cooperate for fear their precious customers may get hauled up.

Simple examples of KYC..

An office clerk whose monthly income is only RM 2500, can buy shares in a company worth millions.

Basically Money Laundering provisions captures anyone who is potentially living beyond ones means, furthermore the question is the where the source of the money is coming from can easily prove ones guilt or innocence.

Believe me if one person is charged for anti Money laundering provision, that person is in a world of hurt.

Like the recent "snatch theft" who wasnt recently convicted under the anti money laundering provision.

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The law cannot apply differently to diff color of people.

otherwise it would become unjust.

Some bodies would be on top of the laws.
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anyone has any thoughts on Palm OIL actually quite dumb founded, i actually thought it was going to head south... it seems day by day its gaining ground and getting stronger, what i fear most is the possibility of hitting the 3K mark.

think i will pick up some IJMP and HSP stocks just to be extra sure and avg down if need be.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 9 2009, 05:15 PM)
We can open a topic debate on this. It is a long long arguement/discussion, no doubt about it.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Got smoke surely got fire, but need to pin-point the fire site (prove) before fire-fighter can go to rescue/tackle.  tongue.gif
Got smoke then straight away phone to fire department but no actual site given, then you will be accused of reporting fraud.  biggrin.gif

As said by SKY, look simple, but doing it time, not that simple.

We should back to stock market chit chat then. OT too much.
Cheers.  smile.gif
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The law cannot apply differently to diff color of people.

otherwise it would become unjust.

Some bodies would be on top of the laws.
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Sorry Cherroy but i think Anti Money laundering provisions needs some further explanation.. since its after market hours, i think you can let it slide abit.

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Anti Money Laws are designed specifically to target those people whom are creative enough to use any means possible to cover their criminal activities, in my own personal opinion I feel that to some extent it may be draconian but it is necessary evil.

(Same like ISA, but this is on a Civil level)

Even though the provisions are there, like i said again and again the Banks (including mine) isnt doing enough or closing a blind eye on things.




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errmm u referring to my comments or something else?
for the record, there is no offence for any BaNK in Malaysia to report any Money Laundering Activity (regardless whetehr suspected or atempt) if reported to BNM FIC unit.

So like i emphasize before, the mechanism is there just that Banks r reluctant to cooperate for fear their precious customers may get hauled up.

Simple examples of KYC..

An office clerk whose monthly income is only RM 2500, can buy shares in a company worth millions.

Basically Money Laundering provisions captures anyone who is potentially living beyond ones means, furthermore the question is the where the source of the money is coming from can easily prove ones guilt or innocence.

Believe me if one person is charged for anti Money laundering provision, that person is in a world of hurt.

Like the recent "snatch theft" who wasnt recently convicted under the anti money laundering provision.

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Maybe office clerk strike Toto rclxms.gif

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Maybe office clerk strike Toto  rclxms.gif
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obviously u can produce some sort of receipt and Toto won't be that so careless as not to record your details before letting you off with the winnings...

Anti Money Laundering a necessary evil because...

If authorities are slow to act or the criminal gets wind of authorities taking action imagine the PDRM Commercial Unit taking action, they are not only over-worked but the backlog is horrendous, the money could be half way around the world by than.

You'd be suprised the Investigating Officer normally comes from BNM and SC, they are quick nimble enough to counter launderer's moves but sometimes maybe draconian.
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ISA is created for the opposition.

I think ONLY one BN went into the jail under ISA in the history.

Why BN is losing if no one breaks the law ?

The people looked stupid in the eye of the Law, supporting those are breaking the law ?


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ISA is created for the opposition.

I think ONLY one BN went into the jail under ISA in the history.

Why BN is losing if no one breaks the law ?

The people looked stupid in the eye of the Law, supporting those are breaking the law ?
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than again some ppl have to cari makan and all, close one eye and they get through life without any problems especially from their superior...



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DJIA future also green: 7,845.00 52.00
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More unexpected changes likely in the coming months.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...62&sec=business


This stock Johan from 0.145 - 12 mac 09 today price
is 0.31 .. More than 100%++ jump price in less than 1 mth.. shocking.gif
Later in few mths time.. dunno how la.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/marketwatch/char...297264&p9=0.812

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Even though the provisions are there, like i said again and again the Banks (including mine) isnt doing enough or closing a blind eye on things.
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Banks has no obligation to report any million of deposit that putting in. Also they can't prejudice on it, someone bring a few million in to deposit, bank can't straight away know and suspect it is "black/dirty money", right? wink.gif what if the person is really rich one through legitimate way?

If we are talking about small community in a small village, possible as you know who is rich or doing busineses or really rich one by doing legitimate in a small community.
But now we are in million of people in KL city area. How do you know he/she is not rich or those money is not obtained through legitimate way. We don't know and having a clue on any stranger come to the bank to deposit or doing financial transaction.

Banks are just doing business, they are not authority, banks will cooperate to reveal if there is an evidence and requested by the authority. If not, they can't do much about it.
It is the job of authority to tackle it through proper set of law, rules and regulation, and action.

Also bare in mind, it is a breach of privacy if banks blatantly exposed customer deposit or banking activities.

No doubt and agree money laundering is a serious issue which need to be tackled. But it is not easy task to tackle, financial tools become more and more complex days by days.

Even ponzi scheme is rampant with internet age which ponzi scheme is run on full daylight and openly, but still it is hard to tackle. Not to mention the money laundering issue which often being done more profession way than ponzi scheme.

Cheers. smile.gif

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Dow future 7,913.00 +120.00, veli green keep up !!

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Dow future  7,913.00 +120.00, veli green keep up !!
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Last trading day for Wall Street this week, and tonight the numbers are very good for US Wells Fargo bank.
They reported unexpected rise in earnings (almost double), therefore pushing all the banks/financial stock higher.
Wells Fargo (ticker:WFC) is up 32% pre-market. biggrin.gif

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US market is in good mood for Easter holiday coming out.

Well Fargo said will be reporting 3 billion of profit, boost the market.

But there are some negativity news in between also especially stress test on banks if found they need more bail out money can be a huge negativity factor. But the stress test will only be concluded end of this month.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 9 2009, 09:33 PM)
US market is in good mood for Easter holiday coming out.

Well Fargo said will be reporting 3 billion of profit, boost the market.

But there are some negativity news in between also especially stress test on banks if found they need more bail out money can be a huge negativity factor. But the stress test will only be concluded end of this month.
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Any1 bought shares today when price retreat abit ? hmm.gif

Tomorrow maybe can make another round of profits. laugh.gif

Damn.. those high beta risk counter stocks went up alot...

icon_rolleyes.gif Cheers, icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 9 2009, 09:33 PM)
US market is in good mood for Easter holiday coming out.

Well Fargo said will be reporting 3 billion of profit, boost the market.

But there are some negativity news in between also especially stress test on banks if found they need more bail out money can be a huge negativity factor. But the stress test will only be concluded end of this month.
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Apr 9 2009, 09:54 PM)
Is the crisis bottoming out ? If reported earnings are higher than expected,  is it real or just more stimulus money doing their thing and creating smoke screen of economic health  hmm.gif
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I do feel it is bottoming or in the bottoming process.

But market or economy shouldn't shoot back up straight away. Some range bound and side way trend is good for the market as economy is not recovering or yet. It just mean the worst has passed, but it doesn't mean we are free of problem, just it is not as worst. Slowly healing and market adjustment is something or realistic expectation.

But some company may not get through this period of time. This is the primary risk of current stock market.

It is bear market rally, just mean previous fierce and fear selling is done for time being, now market correct back with overly done selling.

One key supporting fact for the market why stock find hard to drop to even more i.e. Money has nowhere to go worldwide especially with massive injection and stimulus package around the globe.
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 9 2009, 09:57 PM)
Any1 bought shares today when price retreat abit ? hmm.gif

Tomorrow maybe can make another round of profits. laugh.gif

Damn.. those high beta risk counter stocks went up alot...

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i did. actually yesterday evening but today's price is about the same, Maybank at 3.88

i say dun go for high risk stuff la. thats a real gamble, as movements are highly speculative rather than something fundamental affecting it.

chances are u'll either miss the rise, and by the time u get in, its going down
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you buy in, and realise there's no rise for the share. (i kena with huann when i first started. at first made a fair amount of cash speculating it, then when it plumetted i lost all profit i made with it and more lol. and until now huann is dead in the water)



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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 9 2009, 08:20 PM)
Banks has no obligation to report any million of deposit that putting in. Also they can't prejudice on it, someone bring a few million in to deposit, bank can't straight away know and suspect it is "black/dirty money", right?  wink.gif what if the person is really rich one through legitimate way?

If we are talking about small community in a small village, possible as you know who is rich or doing busineses or really rich one by doing legitimate in a small community.
But now we are in million of people in KL city area. How do you know he/she is not rich or those money is not obtained through legitimate way. We don't know and having a clue on any stranger come to the bank to deposit or doing financial transaction.

Banks are just doing business, they are not authority, banks will cooperate to reveal if there is an evidence and requested by the authority. If not, they can't do much about it.
It is the job of authority to tackle it through proper set of law, rules and regulation, and action.

Also bare in mind, it is a breach of privacy if banks blatantly exposed customer deposit or banking activities.

No doubt and agree money laundering is a serious issue which need to be tackled. But it is not easy task to tackle, financial tools become more and more complex days by days. 

Even ponzi scheme is rampant with internet age which ponzi scheme is run on full daylight and openly, but still it is hard to tackle. Not to mention the money laundering issue which often being done more profession way than ponzi scheme.

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i think i have to open a thread on this topic.
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It is the changing of accounting rule ( mark to market ) that " allows" banks to reports good profits. That would create wealth throughout whole world markets.

The change of accounting rule/law that could save many jobs in the future, though many accountants do not agree.

But if it is the benefits of the whole world , why not ?

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fair value accounting vs mark to market? long story
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Accounting is just a " fair value" judgment, never be perfect.

It is always assumed that a co is able to operate On A Going Concern Basis, then only the rest of the rules are applicable.

If a co is "dying" likes a person, that diff sets of rules applied.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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Europe ended green and wall street so far looks good.

Hmm.. high possibility for another KLSE rally tomorrow. smile.gif
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Europe ended green and wall street so far looks good.

Hmm.. high possibility for another KLSE rally tomorrow.  smile.gif
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KLSe is due for a correction. In fact,... it's long overdue.
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ci will climb to 950 and above for the 1st time this year, ci failed to pass over 920 in 2 attempt, the 3rd attempt may fall on tomorrow hmm.gif . traders who sold their shares will felt hard to buy back except those looking for long term with huge capital (above rm300k). sold too early or buy too late still applied to current situation. biggrin.gif

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HAAAIiiiiyyyaaaaa.... market so high.... anything to goreng tomolo aaa? yawn.gif
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Yup..true more on speculative for some of the stocks... some still quite ok.

If really want to play high risk beta stock, need to cut lost if drop to ur target... same goes to good stock counters. Dun let ur guard down too much..coz mistake will cost money lost.

Huaan.. if u see its PE very high.. 432! shocking.gif I wont touch this stock.. reminds of Kerbau.. Tebrau hmm.gif

Compare to Zelan PE now only 2 and have shares in IJM value about 0.80 +/-..
IJM shares rise coz more construction project expected.. so zelan for me Zelan is a good play around 0.72 - 0.735..
Too bad i didn't managed to get it coz i bz buying Lionind.

Since monday.. i expect market will retreat.. T+3, profit taking etcs.. but still market chiong up back.

I re-enter back Lionind this evening.. buying vol quite strong... seems like still have ppl pushing Lionind price up 0.74.. like past few days pushing it up till 0.75. Maybe they have some insider news and start to grab now...or maybe coz of OSK research report on LIONIND. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Baronic @ Apr 9 2009, 10:14 PM)
i did. actually yesterday evening but today's price is about the same, Maybank at 3.88

i say dun go for high risk stuff la. thats a real gamble, as movements are highly speculative rather than something fundamental affecting it.

chances are u'll either miss the rise, and by the time u get in, its going down
or
you buy in, and realise there's no rise for the share. (i kena with huann when i first started. at first made a fair amount of cash speculating it, then when it plumetted i lost all profit i made with it and more lol. and until now huann is dead in the water)
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Fasten ur belt  brows.gif

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Lol....How many times you wanna remind us on Feng sui (Bad wind)?
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daily  laugh.gif so not forget to caput b4 may
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at least we hv new tools for prediction, not need to depend on computer chart. 5000 years of feng shui history is more efficient compare to only about hundred years of candle chart. tongue.gif smile.gif

i thinking of attend class to learn feng shui. brows.gif

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yeah! Feng Shui is the best. Simple and easy to follow. So, hold your stocks until may!!! rclxms.gif

QUOTE(sampool @ Apr 10 2009, 08:36 AM)
at least we hv new tools for prediction, not need to depend on computer chart. 5000 years of feng shui history is more efficient compare to only about hundred years of candle chart.  tongue.gif smile.gif

i thinking of attend class to learn feng shui.  brows.gif
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QUOTE(sampool @ Apr 10 2009, 08:36 AM)
at least we hv new tools for prediction, not need to depend on computer chart. 5000 years of feng shui history is more efficient compare to only about hundred years of candle chart.  tongue.gif smile.gif

i thinking of attend class to learn feng shui.  brows.gif
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QUOTE(sampool @ Apr 10 2009, 08:36 AM)
at least we hv new tools for prediction, not need to depend on computer chart. 5000 years of feng shui history is more efficient compare to only about hundred years of candle chart.  tongue.gif smile.gif

i thinking of attend class to learn feng shui.  brows.gif
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I don't think they have stock market 5000 yrs ago biggrin.gif Besides I think its risky depending on this unless there's some element of logic in the prediction. Otherwise someone will have a toto/4D fengshui chart & there will also be lots of followers brows.gif
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Apr 10 2009, 09:59 AM)
If feng shui so keng, those Billionaires are feng shui guy
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I don't think they have stock market 5000 yrs ago  biggrin.gif  Besides I think its risky depending on this unless there's some element of logic in the prediction. Otherwise someone will have a toto/4D fengshui chart & there will also be lots of followers  brows.gif
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950 in making. sweat.gif

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Wah! Market so green.... go go KINSTEL... go go RESORT! rclxms.gif
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RESORT pick up ~

re challenge 930 rclxm9.gif

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93x level is crucial for KLCI, break it, we have a new trend, if not still stuck with the range, 93x is the previous high for near term.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 10 2009, 09:18 AM)
93x level is crucial for KLCI, break it, we have a new trend, if not still stuck with the range, 93x is the previous high for near term.
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bring us the hammer / drill / whatever, let's break it!!! laugh.gif
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hi all .. din watch any news yest, so anything special happen?
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WTF, has it broken 930 yet?
If yes, then I show hand again.
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i should remove Genting from my watchlist... so sad watching it sky rocketing everyday .....
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 10 2009, 09:18 AM)
93x level is crucial for KLCI, break it, we have a new trend, if not still stuck with the range, 93x is the previous high for near term.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 10 2009, 09:19 AM)
bring us the hammer / drill / whatever, let's break it!!! laugh.gif
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Haiyaaa.... so how? No more super duper mega big bang sale oledi wor...... sad.gif

Now I don't know what to do besides looking at all the greens..... blush.gif

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Lionind big buyer come ady... rclxm9.gif
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sold all my sapcres@0.90.....yahooo......will buy back when market drop again...
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Apr 10 2009, 09:28 AM)
sold all my sapcres@0.90.....yahooo......will buy back when market drop again...
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seem like the market already in good shape jor .. will not coming down jor
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Apr 10 2009, 09:29 AM)
seem like the market already in good shape jor .. will not coming down jor
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hehe... RESORT..... 0.16 from TP....

c'mon, break the 930 flex.gif
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but i dont hope so lea i only keep 3 counters now lea ..
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Now I don't know what to do besides looking at all the greens.....  blush.gif
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Aiseh, red complaining, green also complaining. Human hard to satisfy smile.gif
Let just see how the green behave.

Forex market not that bullish in term of risk appetide. AUD stuck or face resisitance at 0.7200.

There are sometimes, learning in the sideline is a valuable experience also.
Not always must in and out the market. You see more clear about the market from the sideline. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Apr 10 2009, 09:28 AM)
sold all my sapcres@0.90.....yahooo......will buy back when market drop again...
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Congrats to you Kinwawa! rclxms.gif
Now also already reached my target price, still a bit hesitate to sell.
Will see how.


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walau i really missed kinstel la . last time when i deep i target it liao but tat time no money yet to put in but after that shoot up aiya
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 10 2009, 09:33 AM)
Aiseh, red complaining, green also complaining. Human hard to satisfy  smile.gif
Let just see how the green behave.

Forex market not that bullish in term of risk appetide. AUD stuck or face resisitance at 0.7200.

There are sometimes, learning in the sideline is a valuable experience also.
Not always must in and out the market. You see more clear about the market from the sideline.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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We are kaki stock trading ma..... tongue.gif

I'm fighting my itchy fingers not to press the 'buy' button..... patience... patience..... urrmmmmmmm.... urmmmmm....

I guess that's what will burn our fingers..... being itchy.....

Will stay at the sidelines for now.... sleep.gif

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Apr 10 2009, 09:33 AM)
but i dont hope so lea i only keep 3 counters now lea ..
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anything can happen in bolehland laugh.gif

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Apr 10 2009, 09:34 AM)
Congrats to you Kinwawa!  rclxms.gif
Now also already reached my target price,  still a bit hesitate to sell.
Will see how.
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hahaha...i sense greed greed tongue.gif...last time i mention i will sell @ 0.9...so stick to it for now....but market is so bullish now...hard to say also....personally i 'feel' it will go up somemore but till wat limit....no idea.....

sapcres yet to announce 3cents div....so i hope to buyback during profit taking next week or so.....
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dun u have always have the thought..

'aiya SHOULD HAVE bought'
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I got fear now... Will unload some even though I'm playing long term.

QUOTE(kinwawa @ Apr 10 2009, 09:37 AM)
hahaha...i sense greed greed tongue.gif...last time i mention i will sell @ 0.9...so stick to it for now....but market is so bullish now...hard to say also....personally i 'feel' it will go up somemore but till wat limit....no idea.....

sapcres yet to announce 3cents div....so i hope to buyback during profit taking next week or so.....
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i think can keep for now first dont sell yet
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 10 2009, 09:36 AM)
We are kaki stock trading ma.....  tongue.gif

I'm fighting my itchy fingers not to press the 'buy' button..... patience... patience..... urrmmmmmmm.... urmmmmm....

I guess that's what will burn our fingers..... being itchy.....

Will stay at the sidelines for now....  sleep.gif
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Even as punter, not everytimes must 'bet' one mah.

A real punter doesn't scare the market red or green, what you want is the differentiate of price only. You can move in and out within minute or hour, by taking advantage of the market momemtum.
What punter need to make money is market momemtum, not whether the share price is cheap or expensive. It makes no use for punter to buy cheap or expensive, what you want is price differentiate and market momemtum.

Don't ever think of to get cheap price for punting purposes, if it is, you are contradicting yourself with long term investment with speculation, which is the big no no and mistake generally made by retailers.
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omg i killed my golden goose!

Bstead everyday climing 8 sens, 8 sens, 8 sens, same pattern one!!!

1 week can up 40 sens!!!
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knm 0.445 woo
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market unable to unlock the big lock at 930
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 10 2009, 09:42 AM)
omg i killed my golden goose!

Bstead everyday climing 8 sens, 8 sens, 8 sens, same pattern one!!!

1 week can up 40 sens!!!
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At least you get 1 egg out of it and some goose meat.


Although you lose the chance of getting 8 eggs, better than others lose the goose (loss for those buy last year one) and get nothing.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 10 2009, 09:42 AM)
Even as punter, not everytimes must 'bet' one mah.

A real punter doesn't scare the market red or green, what you want is the differentiate of price only. You can move in and out within minute or hour, by taking advantage of the market momemtum.
What punter need to make money is market momemtum, not whether the share price is cheap or expensive. It makes no use for punter to buy cheap or expensive, what you want is price differentiate and market momemtum.

Don't ever think of to get cheap price for punting purposes, if it is, you are contradicting yourself with long term investment with speculation, which is the big no no and mistake generally made by retailers.
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Guess so.... however, my plan now is to go long term as I'm hoping for the one last drop before I go in full force (but still save some bullets for minor gorenging drool.gif ).

As of now, 50% of my bullets are in long-term counters.... another 50% waiting for that drop... please come... please please.......

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knm 0.445 woo
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IOIcorp lingered aroudn 3.6 for quite long dy... then suddenly goes up everyday..

just like genting... why why
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 10 2009, 09:45 AM)
At least you get 1 egg out of it and some goose meat.
Although you lose the chance of getting 8 eggs, better than others lose the goose (loss for those buy last year one) and get nothing.
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cherroy, you wouldnt lose on this counter because it is one of the good dividend counter (with good company growth). a 12.5 sens dividend is coming soon.

(knocking myself at the wall...my cost was 3.02, sold for 1 egg, thought market would come down!!!)
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i don't think we're out of the woods quite yet, still stuck at 930 resistance.

i also sold everything yesterday for about 8% trading profit overall over the last month.

will re-enter if we break 930 convincingly. or if we drop back to 8xx
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i don't think we're out of the woods quite yet, still stuck at 930 resistance.

i also sold everything yesterday for about 8% trading profit overall over the last month.

will re-enter if we break 930 convincingly. or if we drop back to 8xx
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same here. waiting to unlock 930. otherwise, 8xx.
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nop i think the market will up up n up


Added on April 10, 2009, 9:56 ambut of course i will be happy it it goes down down n down

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cherroy, you wouldnt lose on this counter because it is one of the good dividend counter (with good company growth). a 12.5 sens dividend is coming soon.

(knocking myself at the wall...my cost was 3.02, sold for 1 egg, thought market would come down!!!)
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You don't time the market for long term investment especially those can still give constant dividend one, (sold first then hope buy back later at lower price), this strategy a lot of time backfired. I have fair share of experience on it, that's why I don't intend to sell Panamy and Shell which has been years as well as Axreit now, unless have to sell because of poor fundamental or any other reason.

But please don't sell long term investment target for the sake hope it come down little afterward then you can buy back. By doing this way, when bull come time, you lose the opportunity of getting banana only. Just my experience.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 10 2009, 09:57 AM)
You don't time the market for long term investment especially those can still give constant dividend one, (sold first then hope buy back later at lower price), this strategy a lot of time backfired. I have fair share of experience on it, that's why I don't intend to sell Panamy and Shell which has been years as well as Axreit now, unless have to sell because of poor fundamental or any other reason.

But please don't sell long term investment target for the sake hope it come down little afterward then you can buy back. By doing this way, when bull come time, you lose the opportunity of getting banana only. Just my experience.
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That is true, but when the bear comes, buy and hold can be really painful too.

I'm still holding some of my long term holdings, since before the big bear. sweat.gif cry.gif

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yes i will only sell my goreng counter / shorterm only
for those that pay good div i will not sell even i get them at a big discounted price


Added on April 10, 2009, 10:02 amwakau axreit 1.4 for sell only ah .. aiya so expensive now everyday up up n up

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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Apr 10 2009, 09:59 AM)
That is true, but when the bear comes, buy and hold can be really painful too.

I'm still holding some of my long term holdings, since before the big bear.  sweat.gif  cry.gif
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Maybe it's time to average when the buying is not strong. I've been holding some counters too, though most of it already gone up by the recent rally. Plus div, and I have faith in the company that might grow few times, so, I won't sell those
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You don't time the market for long term investment especially those can still give constant dividend one, (sold first then hope buy back later at lower price), this strategy a lot of time backfired. I have fair share of experience on it, that's why I don't intend to sell Panamy and Shell which has been years as well as Axreit now, unless have to sell because of poor fundamental or any other reason.

But please don't sell long term investment target for the sake hope it come down little afterward then you can buy back. By doing this way, when bull come time, you lose the opportunity of getting banana only. Just my experience.
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yes, is a lesson to learn. thanks for sharing your experience, cherroy. smile.gif
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Why not grab Zelan when drop to 0.76 - 0.765 just now?

I grab some .. already queing to sell at 0.775.. icon_idea.gif
See its buyers everyday push this counter up.. but still havent managed to break 0.80..

Lionind big buyer come n go den now come back.. wack 2000 lot one go.. strong. flex.gif


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We are kaki stock trading ma.....  tongue.gif

I'm fighting my itchy fingers not to press the 'buy' button..... patience... patience..... urrmmmmmmm.... urmmmmm....

I guess that's what will burn our fingers..... being itchy.....

Will stay at the sidelines for now....  sleep.gif
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yalo...true...tat's y still keeping pbbank n those high DY counter......
nt intend to sell...

actually....i'm selling those goreng counters to buy these somemore tongue.gif
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yes, is a lesson to learn. thanks for sharing your experience, cherroy. smile.gif
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Why you sell off your Bstead? Previously before the bull, I bought Bstead at 1.5x, then sell it at 4.5x. But after that I cannot get it back sad.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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yalo...true...tat's y still keeping pbbank n those high DY counter......
nt intend to sell...

actually....i'm selling those goreng counters to buy these somemore tongue.gif
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Sapcres is consider goreng? I list Sapcres as the growth stocks woh. If not giving me 2x or more return, I cannot sell
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Why you sell off your Bstead? Previously before the bull, I bought Bstead at 1.5x, then sell it at 4.5x. But after that I cannot get it back sad.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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mai kong liao cry.gif

i kil..l..l...e...d.....m..a...ii.... goo..se....golden one somemore.

in fact, i killed 2. ahhhhhhhhhhhh!
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 10 2009, 10:10 AM)
mai kong liao  cry.gif

i kil..l..l...e...d.....m..a...ii.... goo..se....golden one somemore.

in fact, i killed 2. ahhhhhhhhhhhh!
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There are few more plantation counters that give good return. Buy some of those and keep, I think when the plantation counters started to party, then we can gain few times more smile.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 10 2009, 10:10 AM)
mai kong liao  cry.gif

i kil..l..l...e...d.....m..a...ii.... goo..se....golden one somemore.

in fact, i killed 2. ahhhhhhhhhhhh!
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R-E-S-U-R-R-E-C-T them!!!!!
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There are few more plantation counters that give good return. Buy some of those and keep, I think when the plantation counters started to party, then we can gain few times more smile.gif
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yes, plantation is always my top favourite. smile.gif

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R-E-S-U-R-R-E-C-T    them!!!!!
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hehehe, how? CPR? tongue.gif
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highest 929.55 only rite? tongue.gif m i getting a slower connection here?
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u think IOICORP will surge past 5 ?
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i will sell all stock when ci try to break 1000 next week. smile.gif

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highest 929.55 only rite?  tongue.gif m i getting a slower connection here?
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got, just now, for a few seconds only.
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u think IOICORP will surge past 5 ?
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Yes and no. No because the bearish sentiment. Yes is when plantation counters start to party/ Just buy if you think IOIcorp is low enough. If bearish sentiment, just average down lor. Just MHO
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nop just now passed 930 but now 929.52
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i will sell all stock when ci try to break 1000 next week. smile.gif
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Lol.....I will sell all my stocks when the world ends
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huhu ~ holiday today later go out gai gai lo .. since market so bullish dont wanna get into it today
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Apr 10 2009, 10:20 AM)
Lol.....I will sell all my stocks when the world ends
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shocking.gif When that happens, nobody is there to buy your stocks leh.... biggrin.gif

QUOTE(mo_meng @ Apr 10 2009, 10:20 AM)
huhu ~ holiday today later go out gai gai lo .. since market so bullish dont wanna get into it today
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Eh? Which state are you from?
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im in my hometown now .. ipoh lo
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 10 2009, 10:22 AM)
shocking.gif When that happens, nobody is there to buy your stocks leh....  biggrin.gif
Eh? Which state are you from?
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im in my hometown now .. ipoh lo
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I'm going back today after work also. You on holiday? School holiday or take leave?

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hoho school holiday mea .. so young mea
today is good friday ma holiday
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oh ya, is DJIA open tonight?

if no, i would like to keep my stock until next monday. since the feel-good feeling is there.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 10 2009, 10:27 AM)
oh ya, is DJIA open tonight?
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I think tarak
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Apr 10 2009, 10:08 AM)
Sapcres is consider goreng? I list Sapcres as the growth stocks woh. If not giving me 2x or more return, I cannot sell
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hahaa.....sapcres is a good stock la ....no la...sometimes i just bought some stock due to goreng nature or i xpect a rebound when their price dipped a lot....like lionind, uchitec last time.....
but usually i chose those which i feel is good so tat if anything happens...i dun mind keeping them....
sapcres tends to go up a lot...then down ....then up back.......i'm hoping to keep it with a lower avg price...so tat's y will b patient n wait for the next chance to come to buyback if lucky..... at 0.9 ...it is nt cheap.....last time i bought a lot at price >1 but luckily manage to avg down by buying back at 0.5X-0.76.....i'm hoping to keep it at 0.7-0.75 region for long term.....
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y dj not open? nymex also close shop today.
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good friday singapore also close wat
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Good Friday, Good Friday.

singapore stock exchange missed the boat, lol.
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no wonder today market so good on good friday.
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http://niftyprediction.blogspot.com/2009/0...endar-nyse.html

it's been a good friday tongue.gif
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walau got ppl sapu kinstell 0.465 lea
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did i see a 932 drool.gif
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932 lo passed the struggling 930


Added on April 10, 2009, 10:44 amso just now got ppl say buy if pass 930 rite .. so anyone buying now?


Added on April 10, 2009, 10:45 am+15 wow all rush in buy ah

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How many double digit gains we have had? Axiata is slumping today... 1.84/1.85


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walau got ppl sapu kinstell 0.465 lea
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first time seeing bursa outperforming the region....but with sing&hk are closed,...where are the profit takers?
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bitting knm 0.45 stone now


Added on April 10, 2009, 10:47 amneo should be happy now for all his recent steel counters


Added on April 10, 2009, 10:49 amlcl move again going to surpass 0.6 today?

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Same goes to lionind... big buyer come.. wasaii

QUOTE(mo_meng @ Apr 10 2009, 10:42 AM)
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aiya heartbroken see the current trend no buy more when dips (no $ that time) now cannot buy
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Wah! Big huge roadblock for RESORT..... can't fight the sellers.....  sweat.gif
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3 huge rocks blocking the pathway. Hmm.. difficult indeed. hmm.gif
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Yeah.. I think most of the guys here made tons of money. Not me though.. just made peanuts. sad.gif

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Plantation party smile.gif
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How many double digit gains we have had? Axiata is slumping today... 1.84/1.85
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Suddenly climbed up @ 1.890 within 15 mins.. hmm.gif


Added on April 10, 2009, 11:38 am
Wow! KLCI up more than 2%. shocking.gif

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missed the plantation boat T.T cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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Nice.. me oso. icon_rolleyes.gif

I play Zelan oso in and out 2X ady with some profits..
buy 0.765 and sell at 0.775

Dun dare play big this counter eventhough see supporting buyer is good.


QUOTE(glennmaverick @ Apr 10 2009, 11:46 AM)
just sold some lionind...

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i think on a week to week gain comparison between the

rest of the industry v plantation...

the plantation industry is experience more or less a steady increment compared to other sectors.

the drop and increment comparison is not as aggressive to certain stocks, but at such a high now i doubt it would be a good time to pick up any plantation cters for the time being.

The question to ask is?
1. will it hit CPO price hit 3K
2. or will it slump back to 1.5K -1.9K
3. summer in the western hemisphere could mean a slow down in demand for crude oil especially in terms of heating etc... can crude oil actually sustain its rally @ USD 50?
4. CPO inventory takes a hit, will supply pick up to return inventory stockpiles into a glu?

time will tell...

but one thing for sure Plantation Cters are a good hedge against fuel increase.
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Resort is really on an uphill battle struggling to hit 2.4... hopefully it will be 0.10 c up drool.gif
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today volume might go past 10b... biggrin.gif
just made my 2nd round profit with Zelan within a week..
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wa...meeting come back then 938 ady...

who put the road block on RESORT vmad.gif
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QUOTE(Ranny @ Apr 10 2009, 12:11 PM)
today volume might go past 10b... biggrin.gif
just made my 2nd round profit with Zelan within a week..
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fuiyo, salute!

i bought at 0.765 yesterday, see how far it can go.

look at this, big lots!

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1b la.. not 10b.. haha

looks like i was wrong earlier with my prediction, have re-entered just now.
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1b la.. not 10b.. haha

looks like i was wrong earlier with my prediction, have re-entered just now.
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riding on which one? brows.gif

sob, Bstead 3.7x... wan to die liao!
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riding on which one?  brows.gif

sob, Bstead 3.7x... wan to die liao!
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help.... can't login to M2u now... can somebody feed me HARTA latest buy/sell price and Q please!!!!!!!!
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help.... can't login to M2u now... can somebody feed me HARTA latest buy/sell price and Q please!!!!!!!!
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LAst 2.8
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pana, u r smiling on zelan now...
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LAst 2.8
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fuiyo, salute!

i bought at 0.765 yesterday, see how far it can go.

look at this, big lots!

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i tarak buy.
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DJ MARKET TALK: KLCI +2.3% At New '09 High; 936-950 Range Eyed
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0447 GMT [Dow Jones] KLCI +2.3% at 938.54, off new 2009 high of 939.21, in heavy volume of 635.7 million shares as investors cheer new cabinet line-up from PM Najib Razak, say dealers. Market breadth positive with gainers trouncing decliners 449 to 74. Expects KLCI to trade within 936-950 range for rest of day. "On the domestic front, political uncertainty has been removed and the focus now seems to be on execution and delivery of what has been promised by the law makers. External newsflow is also fairly bullish with on lower jobless claims in the U.S., lifting optimism that the recession is abating," says dealer. Firmer MYR also indicative of inflow of foreign portfolio funds, says another dealer at bank-backed brokerage, noting particular interest in gaming, plantation, construction and finance stocks. USD/MYR last at 3.6100 from 3.6350 earlier in the week. Among gainers, Genting (3182.KU) +2.3% at MYR4.52, IOI Corp (1961.KU) +2.9% at MYR4.32, Bumiputra-Commerce (1023.KU) +2.7% at MYR7.70, IJM (3336.KU) +2.7% at MYR4.64. (VGB)



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riding on which one?  brows.gif

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Added on April 10, 2009, 1:32 pmChina rallying, now up 2.1 %


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SAD LA!
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Ain't you just "sai lang" days ago or week ago?

Show hand again? biggrin.gif
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Ain't you just "sai lang" days ago or week ago?

Show hand again?  biggrin.gif
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I sold all my stocks yesterday. Q lower to buy back but didn't match.
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oic, sell first buy back later a lot of time backfired.

Anyway, Resort price movement is a bit worry, seem very toppish at around 2.35, and become heavy to move at around this level.
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I key in SAAG 19sen when I see movement... he went to toilet... KNN!!!!! within minutes went up to 20.5.. even sell at 20 sen, I make my weekend pocket money with 50k intra hour trx...


Added on April 10, 2009, 1:50 pmAnd my Kinstel... lagi sakit hati... yesterday I switch to Johan @ 29.50 sen today Kinstel fly... mafulat.... make a princely profit of RM3.25 when I could have made 800/- just a day later... sad.gif. This is bad sign..

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All LCL sifus... can go somemore ah? I got only 20k @ 55sen... tot of throwing liao like cannot start up like tat...
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QUOTE(Grengo01 @ Apr 10 2009, 01:53 PM)
All LCL sifus... can go somemore ah? I got only 20k @ 55sen... tot of throwing liao like cannot start up like tat...
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Err... throw lah. rolleyes.gif Seems like you bad luck today. tongue.gif Once you throw, sure fly and we can sell rclxms.gif Then we treat you teh tarik laugh.gif
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Err... throw lah.  rolleyes.gif  Seems like you bad luck today.  tongue.gif  Once you throw, sure fly and we can sell  rclxms.gif  Then we treat you teh tarik  laugh.gif
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Don't remind me of that ler.. it happens all the time.. whole day ding dong.. the moment you throw if fly... kns happen to my E&O early this week... throw at 59.. fly up to 61... curse like mad.. came back down to 57.. I buy then it drop like deadweight to 54... vmad.gif

Okay at opening I throw ah.. u all treat me teh tarik.. see 20k sold at opening.. 59.5 kekekeke...

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All LCL sifus... can go somemore ah? I got only 20k @ 55sen... tot of throwing liao like cannot start up like tat...
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Nobody knows. However, LCL was hovering around 70 cents before it dropped when the news about WCT's contract got terminated in the middle east. Even though LCL was not directly involved, traders found that piece of news unfavourable for companies that have projects in the middle east. Hence the drop. Now that LCL are getting some small projects here and there, coupled with the improved sentiments in the stock market, I feel that LCL will gradually go up. How high is anybody's guess..... wink.gif My 1.8 cent rounded up to 2 cent opinion.... whistling.gif
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Thanks... was actually seeking more fundamental reasons.. LOL... anyway, today is a day to dump... next week start again..
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We have a lastest casualty locally on borrowing/bond issue.
Ingress, auto part maker.
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...57&sec=business

That's the primary risk on some stocks, as said before, it is not about market or economy recovery, sometimes it is about individual company getting through this difficult period of time.
Economy and stock market surely will recover one day, but individual stock might not.

Look at Citi, even DJ managed to climb back 8000 level, Citi's share still at around 3 only.
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KLSE challenge 940 flex.gif

When M'sia company will release the Q1 report??

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Wow! Somebody just gobbled up the first RESORT roadblock!!! shocking.gif blink.gif rclxms.gif
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RESORT 1st small fishes barrier breach !!!

SHARK is invading toward 2.34

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KLSE challenge 940  flex.gif

When M'sia company will release the Q1 report??
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as i mentioned earlier, LPI lor.... so far that's the one i know....
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941!!
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941!!
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i wonder who's the main force lifting it actually.... hmm.gif
& wat was their reason?
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the power of GORENG is strong  sweat.gif
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& wat was their reason?
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Market shooting upward without any solid fundamentals. Not sure how many small fishes going to get fried.

My bet price is artificially propped up for a massive sell when when the last quarter financial results are out later this month

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Market shooting upward without any solid fundamentals. Not sure how many small fishes going to get fried.

My bet price is artificially propped up for a massive sell when when the last quarter financial results are out later this month
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that's y, only hold b4 the end of april, feng sui again laugh.gif
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I already cleared my portfolio with RM1200 profits rclxm9.gif

Cool 40% gain in a week

I will wait for any corrections before buying in again

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that's y, only hold b4 the end of april, feng sui again  laugh.gif
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Lol. See how true our feng shui is smile.gif
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Market shooting upward without any solid fundamentals. Not sure how many small fishes going to get fried.

My bet price is artificially propped up for a massive sell when when the last quarter financial results are out later this month
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but if the majority also believe in "feng shui" (as i noticed most of the lowyatians here already disposed his/her share)
who's actually buying & pushing the market now? i don't think there r so many dumb ppl around in the market rite? (if they knew they'll be "fried") tongue.gif
may b we r the one who miss the boat after all biggrin.gif
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Though with feng sui, dun "sai lang" oso  sweat.gif
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market is sustain. seller and buyer bargain the price only. hope the ci will shoot to 950 b4 it crash to 750. laugh.gif tongue.gif biggrin.gif smile.gif
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US trading close today, it's Good Friday

Wa.. RESORT big buyer coming back again... they are interest to buy @2.33 hmm.gif

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US trading close today, it's Good Friday

Wa.. RESORT big buyer coming back again...
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Yeah, sharks fighting for the spoils at RESORT. Don't go swimming! smile.gif
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market vol above 1b now, fuiyo rclxms.gif
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market super hot now already 940!!!
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Already at the final roadblock for RESORT for today! rclxms.gif
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RESORT 2nd barrier breach.. 10k 1 shot... dam big buyer sweat.gif
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RESORT 2nd barrier breach.. 10k 1 shot... dam big buyer  sweat.gif
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Looks like Resorts gonna fly. Don't think the big sharks want to let the price to drop after these huge buys. smile.gif

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Resort today quite ok in terms of performance. Genting somehow lagging behind... Genting go go!!! I want to sell my warrant!!!!

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breaching 3rd barrier... unbelievable!!!!


CLEAR!!! rclxm9.gif

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market super hot, too fast, too soon!!!

not good, not good!!!
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Wham! Final roadblock gone!!! Wow! 3 major roadblocks all shot down! rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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Market too hot! That's why I dump some of my shares (<10%).

QUOTE(Neo18 @ Apr 10 2009, 04:45 PM)
market super hot, too fast, too soon!!!

not good, not good!!!
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i still have 300k to shoot!!! my dreams are all gone!!!

i think better keep my 300k in that damn saving bond that give 5% interest
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breaching 3rd barrier... unbelievable!!!!
CLEAR!!!  rclxm9.gif
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Just unloaded some of my Resorts warrant. Lovely.. after held for some time already. biggrin.gif

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Anyone look at OSK? TOP = 1.10???
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i still have 300k to shoot!!! my dreams are all gone!!!

i think better keep my 300k in that damn saving bond that give 5% interest
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jor, if u sai lang 2 weeks ago, u already millionare. tongue.gif

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i still have 300k to shoot!!! my dreams are all gone!!!

i think better keep my 300k in that damn saving bond that give 5% interest
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bro,
max 50K only.

don't be so greedy lah, this is no guarantee market won't fall back. It is still a lot of uncertainty out there.

Enjoy the rally, while still cautious should be more appropriate approach.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 10 2009, 04:51 PM)
bro,
max 50K only.

don't be so greedy lah, this is no guarantee market won't fall back. It is still a lot of uncertainty out there.

Enjoy the rally, while still cautious should be more appropriate approach.
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since when market got certainty one?
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when will this mini bull run end?
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laugh.gif  end of April  laugh.gif
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to avoid traffic jam better sell 2 days earlier. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 10 2009, 04:51 PM)
bro,
max 50K only.

don't be so greedy lah, this is no guarantee market won't fall back. It is still a lot of uncertainty out there.

Enjoy the rally, while still cautious should be more appropriate approach.
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thanks cherroy.

i will be cautious... i just hope market come down back to max 880 point la..



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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Apr 10 2009, 04:56 PM)
thanks cherroy.

i will be cautious... i just hope market come down back to max 880 point la..
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nice trading today..
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Oops! Slightly over sold my holding around 11%. Hopefully, next week or next month can shop again!
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is a fake run.. take your money and run!
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is a fake run.. take your money and run!
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no so soon lah, buy must be patient during sell also must be patient, dun sell so easy must mark up abit lah. Newton law of gravity (Action and Reaction). brows.gif
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If Monday rally like today, I'll dump another 10%.

QUOTE(sampool @ Apr 10 2009, 05:05 PM)
no so soon lah, buy must be patient during sell also must be patient, dun sell so easy must mark up abit lah. Newton law of gravity (Action and Reaction).  brows.gif
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If Monday rally like today, I'll dump another 10%.
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i guess during the proton mpv laughing next week, N will be invited and he may announce something.  hmm.gif
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laughing ?  tongue.gif
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EPF is the one that goreng KNM???

No. Date Transaction Type No of Shares Price (RM)
1. 02/04/2009 Acquired 2,300,000 -
2. 03/04/2009 Acquired 2,000,000 -
3. 03/04/2009 Acquired 15,964,200 -
4. 03/04/2009 Disposed 800,000 -
5. 06/04/2009 Acquired 2,000,000 -
6. 06/04/2009 Acquired 1,700,000

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QUOTE(chyaw @ Apr 10 2009, 05:07 PM)
If Monday rally like today, I'll dump another 10%.
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if market up 10 point on monday, i also wanna get rid of RM20000k worth of share first, which is about 2%... my initial plan was to dispose when market at minimum reach 1000point..

i really think another 10 point, this market is unrealistic.. should sell liow..


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Glad we share the same view! RM20000k??? Or RM200K?
QUOTE(Neo18 @ Apr 10 2009, 05:16 PM)
if market up 10 point on monday, i also wanna get rid of RM20000k worth of share first, which is about 2%... my initial plan was to dispose when market at minimum reach 1000point..

i really think another 10 point, this market is unrealistic.. should sell liow..
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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Apr 10 2009, 06:16 PM)
if market up 10 point on monday, i also wanna get rid of RM20000k worth of share first, which is about 2%... my initial plan was to dispose when market at minimum reach 1000point..

i really think another 10 point, this market is unrealistic.. should sell liow..
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RM20000k worth of share first i afraid the bursa will crash with ur damping leh. sweat.gif

RM20000k = RM20,000,000 = RM 20 Million sweat.gif icon_question.gif

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Glad we share the same view! RM20000k??? Or RM200K?
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20K no feel at all lar! 100K sound more reasonable lar (10% mar)! 2% will not make any difference to your bottom line...

QUOTE(Neo18 @ Apr 10 2009, 05:23 PM)
20k la.. because i have about 980k in KLCI now.. so 20/980 = 2% lo
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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Apr 10 2009, 05:23 PM)
20k la.. because i have about 980k in KLCI now.. so 20/980 = 2% lo
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Today news:
4723 JAKS JAKS RESOURCES BERHAD
Kuala Lumpur High Court Suit No: D4-22-1452-2006

JAKS Resources Berhad (the Company)
-Kuala Lumpur High Court Suit No: D4-22-1452-2006 between JAKS-KDEB Consortium
Sdn Bhd (JKDEB) ------ Plaintiff
1. Perbadanan Urus Air Selangor Berhad ----1st Defendant
2. Syarikat Bekalan Air Selangor Sdn Bhd ---2nd Defendant
3. Kerajaan Negeri Selangor Darul Ehsan ----3rd Defendant
The Company wishes to announce that at the Case Management on 9 April 2009, the
Court has fixed the next Case Management for 7 July 2009.
This announcement is dated 10 April 2009.


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QUOTE(chyaw @ Apr 10 2009, 05:25 PM)
20K no feel at all lar! 100K sound more reasonable lar (10% mar)! 2% will not make any difference to your bottom line...
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So best is dump all my dead duck first!!!
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I also not urgently need the money, but if the market too hot. Why not sell some? As for me, I sold by industry or market exposure. Steel counter will not recover so fast (you can read some news regarding China Steel market).
My today sold counters are Kinsteel, Ann Joo, Unisem and LCL (I don't think middle east situation got any improvement with the recent oil hike). All show hand!!! cool2.gif

QUOTE(Neo18 @ Apr 10 2009, 05:30 PM)
ok let me think it over the weekend.. however, i really do not need the money at the moment leh.. so if i dump too much also, i scared.

So best is dump all my dead duck first!!!
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Anyone goreng this JOHAN?
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market vol above 1b now, fuiyo  rclxms.gif
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Market could be due for some corrections, watch out.

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when will this mini bull run end?
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Does anyone know how I can download the closing prices of ALL the counters in KLSE? If not all the counters, at least those on the mainboard.
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Everything that goes up will surely come down later. Its a matter of.. when?  biggrin.gif
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Does anyone know how I can download the closing prices of ALL the counters in KLSE? If not all the counters, at least those on the mainboard.
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Today DJ closed due to holiiday in US. Not sure how KLSE reponse next Monday! biggrin.gif
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KLSE keep going up since last Wed till today..

US market also went up alot.. seems like stock market is recovering slowly..
Banking report start to show profit, Oil start to move up.. Steel counter also up, Plantation up...
Finance counter also start to move .. OSK hit abt 1.10..even penny stock finance investment like PMCAP also start to move. rolleyes.gif

My OSK remiser told me bfr if PMCAP start to move.. means KLSE transaction already hit Billions ringgit..

icon_rolleyes.gif Cheers, icon_rolleyes.gif
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Today DJ closed due to holiiday in US. Not sure how KLSE reponse next Monday! biggrin.gif
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all of you earn good money ah? why mulpha is not moving? i bought in 1500 lots with 0.315. now the price still stuck at 32sen. LCL also jam around 58sen-59sen even ci shoot almost 30 points. Really bad luck!!!!!

HELP!!!!!! anyone can share the research report of mulpha?

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You only make money if you sell. Otherwise, its "unrealized" capital gain. tongue.gif
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Why is the P/E Of PBB = 7.6 while the P/E of BCB = 13
Is PBB cheaper compared to BCB?
Is BCB overvalued because of the Najib factor? People rushing to buy this stock without comparing with other banking stocks?
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QUOTE(ABC2020 @ Apr 10 2009, 11:15 PM)
all of you earn good money ah? why mulpha is not moving? i bought in 1500 lots with 0.315. now the price still stuck at 32sen. LCL also jam around 58sen-59sen even ci shoot almost 30 points. Really bad luck!!!!!

HELP!!!!!! anyone can share the research report of mulpha?
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Ya.. tell me about luck. I bought Axiata.. sheesh.. dry.gif
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Ya.. tell me about luck. I bought Axiata.. sheesh..   dry.gif
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ok let me think it over the weekend.. however, i really do not need the money at the moment leh.. so if i dump too much also, i scared.

So best is dump all my dead duck first!!!
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ne018, really jelous with u leh... So huge capital. how u make so much money? any lobang?

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QUOTE(ABC2020 @ Apr 11 2009, 12:05 AM)
wait patiently is only what we can do. What price u go in for axiata, really mad with this funny name.
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2 days back @ 1.890. dry.gif
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Ya.. tell me about luck. I bought Axiata.. sheesh..  dry.gif
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How much you bought it ?
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Hmm.. 15,000 units. dry.gif
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In the screenshot below, can anyone explain to me what is "Upper Limit Price" and "Lower Limit Price"?
Is this the price that will trigger suspension of the counter? Thank you.
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you got it right.
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Anybody knows when GM's due to file bankruptcy? I think I'll be staying on the sidelines until then.
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Anybody knows when GM's due to file bankruptcy? I think I'll be staying on the sidelines until then.
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some where around end of may or early june. tongue.gif

note: 2 months given to gm by obama. sweat.gif
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You are paying premium for the ex-right Axiate shares which is suppose to be only 1.79.
I oso wanted to buy earlier when ex but its price shoot up 1.93+/-.. kinda expensive so din buy.

Yesterday drop to 1.82/1.83 quite attractive, i oso qued buy at 1.83 but some big buyer start buying and push up its price to 1.89.
15 April Axiata will resume back normal trading.. not sure it will be like Maybank last day before resume price plunge or not. sweat.gif
This counter have big ppl playing.. for long term maybe ok.. short term better grab at low price for safe play.


QUOTE(Freelancer @ Apr 11 2009, 12:09 AM)
2 days back @ 1.890.  dry.gif
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Hmm.. Maybank Investment also said KLCI rally may last another 2 months. hmm.gif


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You are paying premium for the ex-right Axiate shares which is suppose to be only 1.79.
I oso wanted to buy earlier when ex but its price shoot up 1.93+/-.. kinda expensive so din buy.

Yesterday drop to 1.82/1.83 quite attractive, i oso qued buy at 1.83 but some big buyer start buying and push up its price to 1.89. 
15 April Axiata will resume back normal trading.. not sure it will be like Maybank last day before resume price plunge or not.  sweat.gif
This counter have big ppl playing.. for long term maybe ok.. short term better grab at low price for safe play.
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I'll monitor this counter closely.

It may be long or short term depending on the duration to the exit opportunity.

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Nice.
Theres support from big buyer yesterday .. maybe can break ur buy price and can get profit next week..

QUOTE(Freelancer @ Apr 11 2009, 12:13 AM)
Hmm.. 15,000 units.  dry.gif
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Nice.
Theres support from big buyer yesterday .. maybe can break ur buy price and can get profit next week..
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Thanks. Lets hope so. biggrin.gif

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Ted Spread 1.1262 +0.17 from 0.94 last week, rally might continue in US next monday hmm.gif
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June CPO hit a high of 2305. And this will likely to continue. KLCI might hit 970 if plantation counters keep on rallying in anticipation of the meltdown of the usd and hyperinflation; and not to forget China has been importing copper at the record rate.


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Aixiata

Employees Provident Fund Board ("EPF Board"), Tingkat 19, Bangunan KWSP, Jalan Raja Laut, 50350 Kuala Lumpur

Details of changes
Type of transaction

Date of change

No of securities

Price Transacted (RM)
Acquired

19/03/2009

500,000

Acquired

03/04/2009

3,000,000

Acquired

06/04/2009

600,000

Acquired

30/03/2009

2,000,000

Acquired

31/03/2009

659,400

Acquired

01/04/2009

1,000,000

Acquired

02/04/2009

500,000

Circumstances
by reason of which change has occurred

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Acquisition of 500,000, 3,600,000 and 4,159,400 shares by Credit Agricole Asset Management (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd, Nomura Asset Management (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd and PHEIM Asset Management Sdn Bhd respectively
Nature of
interest

Indirect
Direct (units)
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533,716,025
Direct (%)
:
14.22
Indirect/deemed interest (units)

:
83,608,200
Indirect/deemed interest (%)

:
2.23
Total no of securities after change

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617,324,225
Date of notice
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06/04/2009

Remarks
1) The number of shares directly managed by EPF Board are 533,716,025 whilst the balance of 83,608,200 are managed by the following Portfolio Managers:
a) Alliance Investment Management Sdn Bhd - 2,066,500
b) AmanahRaya JMF Asset Management Sdn Bhd - 260,000
c) AmInvestment Management Sdn Bhd - 6,433,000
d) BNP Paribas Asset Management (M) Sdn Bhd - 348,600
e) CIMB-Principal Asset Management Bhd - 15,756,500
f) Credit Agricole Asset Management (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd - 1,557,000
g) Hwang DBS Investment Management Bhd - 1,031,100
h) Mayban Investment Management Sdn Bhd - 3,505,800
i) Nomura Asset Management (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd - 37,841,700
j) PHEIM Asset Management Sdn Bhd -11,208,000
k) RHB Investment Management Sdn Bhd - 3,600,000

2) Form 29B was received on 10 April 2009.

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Apr 10 2009, 11:41 PM)
Why is the P/E Of PBB = 7.6 while the P/E of BCB = 13
Is PBB cheaper compared to BCB?
Is BCB overvalued because of the Najib factor? People rushing to buy this stock without comparing with other banking stocks?
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I don't know where you get the data, but one advise:
Do not relied on newspaper published PE, dividend yield or NTA or whatever data. They are slow to update, by then they updated, it could be months time already.
Also they are always wrong (because of slow to update) on the 52 week high/low especially when there is price adjustment has been going on due to right issue, bonus, split.

PE published generally is based on last year financial result, so it could be non-updated data. One should use lastest Q financial result for comparison. Please don't use last year data, EPS then use today price to conclude the PER which is meaningless especially we would be seeing huge swing/plummeting in EPS this year.



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Employees Provident Fund Board ("EPF Board"), Tingkat 19, Bangunan KWSP, Jalan Raja Laut, 50350 Kuala Lumpur

Details of changes
Type of transaction

Date of change

No of securities

Price Transacted (RM)
Acquired

19/03/2009

500,000

Acquired

03/04/2009

3,000,000

Acquired

06/04/2009

600,000

Acquired

30/03/2009

2,000,000

Acquired

31/03/2009

659,400

Acquired

01/04/2009

1,000,000

Acquired

02/04/2009

500,000

Circumstances
by reason of which change has occurred

:

Acquisition of 500,000, 3,600,000 and 4,159,400 shares by Credit Agricole Asset Management (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd, Nomura Asset Management (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd and PHEIM Asset Management Sdn Bhd respectively
Nature of
interest
 
Indirect
Direct (units)
:
533,716,025
Direct (%)
:
14.22
Indirect/deemed interest (units)

:
83,608,200
Indirect/deemed interest (%)

:
2.23
Total no of securities after change

:
617,324,225
Date of notice
:
06/04/2009

Remarks
1) The number of shares directly managed by EPF Board are 533,716,025 whilst the balance of 83,608,200 are managed by the following Portfolio Managers:
a) Alliance Investment Management Sdn Bhd - 2,066,500
b) AmanahRaya JMF Asset Management Sdn Bhd - 260,000
c) AmInvestment Management Sdn Bhd - 6,433,000
d) BNP Paribas Asset Management (M) Sdn Bhd - 348,600
e) CIMB-Principal Asset Management Bhd - 15,756,500
f) Credit Agricole Asset Management (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd - 1,557,000
g) Hwang DBS Investment Management Bhd - 1,031,100
h) Mayban Investment Management Sdn Bhd - 3,505,800
i) Nomura Asset Management (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd - 37,841,700
j) PHEIM Asset Management Sdn Bhd -11,208,000
k) RHB Investment Management Sdn Bhd - 3,600,000

2) Form 29B was received on 10 April 2009.
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Pardon me, are u talking of Axiata ? hve to wait for ord. share to regularise before going in. Oso had an eye for it. Tried to q at 1.84 . Now better wait, as I sense there may a drop on Mon . Just my feelings after looking at the movements on Friday. Not that convinvcing in my mind for push. Will save some bullets just in case...

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IOIcorp lingered aroudn 3.6 for quite long dy... then suddenly goes up everyday..

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Hmm.. 15,000 units.  dry.gif
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QUOTE(thkhong @ Apr 11 2009, 05:19 PM)
Pardon me, are u talking of Axiata ? hve to wait for ord. share to regularise before going in. Oso had an eye for it. Tried to q at 1.84 . Now better wait, as I sense there may a drop on Mon . Just my feelings after looking at the movements on Friday. Not that convinvcing in my mind for push. Will save some bullets just in case...
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Those info are not for you to play contra biggrin.gif

Just to point out that EPF & PNB go all out to support this counter, could be a reason for it. Maybe they are just the major shareholders controlling 68% biggrin.gif

Not suggesting anyone to buy.

Short term is very volatile with more share dilution on the way.

Always the problems of short Vs Long term , that blinds our vision. Celcom alone is worth rm 19 billions hmm.gif


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Oh boy, I thought I was going to become a millionaire with COMMERZ-CF. Check out my blog.
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You have good writings at your blog. rclxms.gif

Keep up the good work.

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Didn't know that you are the writer for tat blog. Now i know.. laugh.gif
I read ur blog once a while. Simple and nice. rclxms.gif

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Oh boy, I thought I was going to become a millionaire with COMMERZ-CF. Check out my blog.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 11 2009, 08:21 PM)
Those info are not for you to play contra biggrin.gif

Just to point out that EPF & PNB go all out to support this counter, could be a reason for it. Maybe they are just the major shareholders controlling 68%  biggrin.gif

Not suggesting anyone to buy.

Short term is very volatile with more share dilution on the way.

Always the problems of short Vs Long term , that blinds our vision. Celcom alone is worth rm 19 billions hmm.gif


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You have good writings at your blog. rclxms.gif

Keep up the good work.
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Celcom alone is holding up the share price ? That was my thinking when I bought this TMI share @RM4 last year before it plunged. Its one of my mistakes that I am still holding doh.gif

Luckily i bought more of TM share @RM2.61 (i.e. during their first time announce lost & their dividend policy was in question) nod.gif

However, I am tempted to review the situation of AXIATA post-rights. Fishing price @1.83/1.84 .

Also kudos to the blog too. I have similar goals as the author, however, maybe more modest thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Apr 11 2009, 11:17 PM)
Celcom alone is holding up the share price ? That was my thinking when I bought this TMI share @RM4 last year before it plunged.  Its one of my mistakes that I am still holding  doh.gif

Luckily i bought more of TM share @RM2.61 (i.e. during their first time announce lost & their dividend policy was in question)   nod.gif

However, I am tempted to review the situation of AXIATA post-rights. Fishing price @1.83/1.84 .

Also kudos to the blog too. I have similar goals as the author, however, maybe more modest  thumbup.gif
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Which counters that you bought last year did not fall ? When CI was about 1300 to 1500.

If KLK fell from RM 15 last year to let say RM 7 this year, it does not mean it is no good for new investors to buy. biggrin.gif
Just your investment is no good, temp, or commodity price was dropping ?

One thing, TMI had created quite a bad image of themselves, that gave to a lot of doubts to the investors. Overseas investments performance are below expectation for example. Indo Currency was bad, now getting better. RM 21 billions mkt cap lost after the demerger.

Share investing is about future, also it does not mean it is going to be better than DIGI for sure.

Just aim for a 20% return only. My way of investing, though my broker set a T/P of RM 2.50 longer term.

What is your objective ?

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 11 2009, 11:29 PM)
Which counters that you bought last year did not fall ? When CI was about 1300 to 1500.

If KLK fell from RM 15 last year to let say RM 7 this year, it does not mean it is no good for new investors to buy. biggrin.gif
Just your investment is no good, temp, or comm price was dropping ?

One thing, TMI had created quite a bad image of themselves, that gave to a lot of doubts to the investors. Overseas investments performance  are below expectation for example. Indo Currency was bad, now getting better.

Share investing  is about future, also it does not mean it is going to be better than DIGI for sure.

Just aim for a 20% return only. My way of investing, though my broker set a T/P of RM 2.50 longer term.

What is your objective ?
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Agree on the bad image, though, was it so bad that they had to change their name ? laugh.gif

My objective ? Mostly for long term play, however, if there's opportunity to exit with reasonable gains (10% or more), I will consider except for counters that I have like TM & AXREIT. Still new in all of this, I m not staking my life savings or anything. smile.gif

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In the screenshot below, can anyone explain to me what is "Upper Limit Price" and "Lower Limit Price"?
Is this the price that will trigger suspension of the counter? Thank you.
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That's the limit up/limit down price.

Trading of the counter will continue but matching will be difficult,because there will be no seller/buyer to trade with you.

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Agree on the bad image, though, was it so bad that they had to change their name ?  laugh.gif

My objective ? Mostly for long term play, however, if there's opportunity to exit with reasonable gains (10% or more), I will consider except for counters that I have like TM & AXREIT. Still new in all of this, I m not staking my life savings or anything. smile.gif
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If they could change to capable management, it is even better. KPI does not mean anything to me. Some said it is just mere rebranding.

CIMB is closing 60 branches, that is the reality of life. USA was deemed " land of the rich", now mostly poor.

Since we are in Malaysia, we have to believe " Malaysia Boleh" , that is.

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EPF is the one that goreng KNM???

No. Date Transaction Type No of Shares Price (RM)
1. 02/04/2009 Acquired 2,300,000 -
2. 03/04/2009 Acquired 2,000,000 -
3. 03/04/2009 Acquired 15,964,200 -
4. 03/04/2009 Disposed 800,000 -
5. 06/04/2009 Acquired 2,000,000 -
6. 06/04/2009 Acquired 1,700,000
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How do you get the trade detail information? I try to check my online trading from PB, i can't find the similar thing tongue.gif
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How do you get the trade detail information? I try to check my online trading from PB, i can't find the similar thing tongue.gif
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From Bursa.

http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_c...lding/index.jsp
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 11 2009, 11:54 PM)
If they could change the color of the management, it is even better. KPI does not mean anything to me. Some said it is just mere rebranding.

CIMB is closing 60 branches, that is the reality of life. USA was deemed " land of the rich", now mostly poor.

Since we are in Malaysia, we have to believe " Malaysia Boleh" , that is.
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USA is poorer than poor. Each citizen owes the world US37K. US National Debt

In comparison, if Malaysian owe the world money, it's our problem, however, if US owe the world, it's the world's problem. tongue.gif

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need advice/comment on SAAG(9652) & TWSCORP(4804).

Thank you in advance.
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That's the difference between a world leader and small country. Hope Obama come out with some quick fix. I don't want them to have fundemental fixed as I like the economic cycle. If the cycle is every 5 years better still, more fun to play stocks!!! drool.gif

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USA is poorer than poor. Each citizen owes the world US37K. US National Debt

In comparison, if Malaysian owe the world money, it's our problem, however, if US owe the world, it's the world's problem.  tongue.gif
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need advice/comment on SAAG(9652) & TWSCORP(4804).

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TWSCorp. I bought some at about 34sen and sold at 41sen. Waiting to buy back at lower price.

The company is still making good profit ( do not know the coming Q ).

NTA is very high at RM 1.85. Political linked counter.

SAAG, sorry no info.

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Apr 12 2009, 12:15 AM)
USA is poorer than poor. Each citizen owes the world US37K. US National Debt

In comparison, if Malaysian owe the world money, it's our problem, however, if US owe the world, it's the world's problem.  tongue.gif
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USA cannot be poor as long as they can just start off their money printing machine, then all debt would be solved. tongue.gif

In fact, China has trillion of USD reserves is poorer than US because they cannot use the money at all!
They can't sell the US treasuries (which is the main form of USD reserves) without political implication/ When you own something you cannot sell or use, it is as good as junk.
Sound harsh, but it is the reality.


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USA cannot be poor as long as they can just start off their money printing machine, then all debt would be solved.  tongue.gif

In fact, China has trillion of USD reserves is poorer than US because they cannot use the money at all!
They can't sell the US treasuries (which is the main form of USD reserves) without political implication/ When you own something you cannot sell or use, it is as good as junk.
Sound harsh, but it is the reality.
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Why China can't use it ? Any agreement with US ?
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Thanks for the info
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Why China can't use it ? Any agreement with US ?
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No agreement, they can dispose if wish to but if China said or intended to dispose its trillion of USD asset, it is just like throwing the stone on its own leg only, aka China being hijacked/controlled by US in term of financial/trade.

The implication is simply too big and unimaginable if China to dispose trillion of treasuries, (also there are a lot of political pressure not to do it).

1. USD plumetting, resulting your own (China and aross Asain countries which is the main owner of US treasuries now) reserves value shrinking only, like you are holding trillion of treasuries, but if you want to dispose it, it doesn't worth trillion, get what I mean.

The analogy like you own gold that worth 100/g based on current market price, but you bring hundred of tonnes of gold to sell in the market, you won't get 100/g, you depress your own asset price by selling due to enormous quantity issue.
You need substantial buyers that can meet the seller quantity, Asian countries hold most of USD, if they are keen to dispose USD asset, who is the buyer can come out with such amount of money to buy up?
None, except through severe devaluation of USD.

Devaluation of USD eventually will lead to

a) commodities will rise mean severe inflation which will kill of your previous effort of economy growth
b) Worldwide financial market in chaotic as USD is the main trade medium across the world
c) Export of China and Asian countries dried up even hurting your own economy.

So you get none of benefit by doing so, just died together. tongue.gif

Also, US won't allow this to happen while it is mutual benefit for US and China or Asian countries to stay within this kind of structure or situation particular because of primary factor © and "died together"



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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 12 2009, 10:29 AM)
USA cannot be poor as long as they can just start off their money printing machine, then all debt would be solved.  tongue.gif

In fact, China has trillion of USD reserves is poorer than US because they cannot use the money at all!
They can't sell the US treasuries (which is the main form of USD reserves) without political implication/ When you own something you cannot sell or use, it is as good as junk.
Sound harsh, but it is the reality.
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Reminds me of the guy who won the lottery & got a 1Million dollar bill. However, he starved to death because no shop in town had change for a million dollar bill laugh.gif


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anyone noticed that Vincent Tan & Goldman Sach start goreng-ing BJCORP? i believe BJCORP will stand above 90cents within 2-3 days.
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anyone noticed that Vincent Tan & Goldman Sach start goreng-ing BJCORP? i believe BJCORP will stand above 90cents within 2-3 days.
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If I were you I will not touch BJCORP. Remember in early days, VTan told us to buy BJCORP. Al went in like mad then suddenly price drop until cannot see where. After that experience I dont touch VTan counter. Look at StemLife up and now where it is.

He is a businessman and he is trickier than us who try to outsmart and out think him. I am afraid most of us are not in his level.

Cheers. Just my word of caution.
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dear guru,
i bought Gamuda 5398 at 1.00+ and now is 2.40..can anyone advise on this?

i am long term investor n would not mind to keep if can reap more in a longer term.
believe its also a political related counter!

thanks
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dear guru,
i bought Gamuda 5398 at 1.00+ and now is 2.40..can anyone advise on this?

i am long term investor n would not mind to keep if can reap more in a longer term.
believe its also a political related counter!

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Alleady doubled your initial purchase price. You can consider to sell it or hold it for longer term. But no guarantee it will remain at 2.40. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(thkhong @ Apr 12 2009, 02:48 PM)
If I were you I will not touch BJCORP. Remember in early days, VTan told us to buy BJCORP. Al went in like mad then suddenly price drop until cannot see where. After that experience I dont touch VTan counter. Look at StemLife up and now where it is.

He is a businessman and he is trickier than us who try to outsmart and out think him. I am afraid most of us are not in his level.

Cheers. Just my word of caution.
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Kind of agree.

When you buy shares, know who is behind the scene.

Whether they are able to support the counters constantly.

Many would just push the counters and say bye bye to you.

Then you have to wait for another, maybe 3 years.

They do not even want to you some small dividends.

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QUOTE(silverlight @ Apr 12 2009, 12:08 PM)
anyone noticed that Vincent Tan & Goldman Sach start goreng-ing BJCORP? i believe BJCORP will stand above 90cents within 2-3 days.
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The best time to buy the BJCORP share was before the goreng smile.gif Was there any rumors & news before that ? I seem to remember that BJ Land had some borrowings due. There was even talks that BJTOTO share will declare special dividend (causing BJTOTO price to go up) so that parent company can use dividend to "settle".
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Apr 12 2009, 03:28 PM)
Alleady doubled your initial purchase price. You can consider to sell it or hold it for longer term. But no guarantee it will remain at 2.40. biggrin.gif
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thanks man!
yeah..might as well sell it smile.gif
dun think that this mini bull run will last

better save enough bullets n invest later,after correction thumbup.gif


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any comment on muhibah???
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Was aiming at it if drop below 60Cts but it never came.....
My concern on Muhibah is its debt....in Billion! rclxub.gif
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get chartnexus software. its free
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I got the chartnexus software,... but how do I export the EOD prices into Excel or .txt file?


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Anyone monitoring Proton? Price has been going up lately, counter looks undervalued.
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Anyone monitoring Proton? Price has been going up lately, counter looks undervalued.
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The recent spate of positive news like the Detroit Electric Car one seems to have whet the appetite of investors for Proton share. The Exora, PROTON's first foray into the MPV will further spur interest in this counter.
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Apr 12 2009, 06:44 PM)
Anyone monitoring Proton? Price has been going up lately, counter looks undervalued.
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Buy buy I want to sell...just joking
Anyway when it was 1.50 range I saw it as an opportunity.

Used to be like 7-8 and now 1.50 and thats cheap, but overall automotive industry future looks not so good but whatever happens
The BN Gov will save it to save their face and that is a save investment for us.






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According to info from "The Edge", KLCI is likely to scale momentarily higher before pausing to catch a breather in consolidating its recent gains. KLCI's overhead resistance is now revised to the 950-985 levels while its downside support is at 900-905.

It also addressed the hot topic about whether this is the start of a bull run or a bear trap. No conclusion as experts have different views. Guess we just have to wait for further upcoming data this week......

Hence the dilemma of whether to hold a bit longer or sell this week.... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(W.ROOK @ Apr 12 2009, 07:24 PM)
Buy  buy I want to sell...just joking
Anyway when it was 1.50 range I saw it as an opportunity.

Used to be like 7-8 and now 1.50 and thats cheap, but overall automotive industry future looks not so good but whatever happens
The BN Gov will save it to save their face and that is a save investment for us.
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 12 2009, 07:59 PM)
According to info from "The Edge", KLCI is likely to scale momentarily higher before pausing to catch a breather in consolidating its recent gains. KLCI's overhead resistance is now revised to the 950-985 levels while its downside support is at 900-905.

It also addressed the hot topic about whether this is the start of a bull run or a bear trap. No conclusion as experts have different views. Guess we just have to wait for further upcoming data this week......

Hence the dilemma of whether to hold a bit longer or sell this week....  hmm.gif
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Strangely that no more analysts are predicting market would hit 700 pts and below, unlike in Jan or March this year. biggrin.gif

have you heard anything so far this week ?





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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 12 2009, 08:31 PM)
Strangely that no more analysts are predicting market would hit 700 pts and below, unlike in Jan or March this year. biggrin.gif

have you heard anything so far this week ?
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I guess it is due to improve sentiments and "encouraging" data that came out recently.

Here's what "The Edge" say about this:

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The past two rallies in March and December last year dragged the index down to new lows. If the trend is repeated by the bears as expected, it could mean the likelihood of DJIA sinking below 6,000 points.


shocking.gif

Although the above fact has become unlikely (with all the stimulus packages flying around), I guess nobody knows. I think the next few week's data would be crucial in determining this......

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Apr 12 2009, 09:20 PM)
PROTON in Malaysia = GM in US
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PROTON can hold for long term since its quite cheap now... drool.gif


Added on April 12, 2009, 9:02 pmwould situation in BANGKOK now will affect south-east asia market???

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QUOTE(kitzai1981 @ Apr 12 2009, 09:01 PM)
PROTON can hold for long term since its quite cheap now... drool.gif


Added on April 12, 2009, 9:02 pmwould situation in BANGKOK now will affect south-east asia market???
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Looking at the political situation, it seems like Malaysia is relatively more politically stable among the ASEAN and not yet in recession. Could this be a harbinger of more FF inflow to the market?



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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 12 2009, 08:42 PM)
I guess it is due to improve sentiments and "encouraging" data that came out recently.

Here's what "The Edge" say about this:
shocking.gif

Although the above fact has become unlikely (with all the stimulus packages flying around), I guess nobody knows. I think the next few week's data would be crucial in determining this......
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If 90% of the investors believe it is unlikely, then it may become unlikely.

If majority just wait and see, and do not want to buy anything, then it is likely.


Just my confused version. Fear vs Hope biggrin.gif

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Wow... very nice unrealized profit ady.. rclxms.gif
Mind share with us how long u bought and keep this share to reach this price?

Alot of research house call sell on Gamuda..like OSK, CIMB... most of them prefer switch to IJM.
GLC construction sector get boost from government...all went up...

If you feel theres room for Gamuda to go higher, maybe you can sell 30% or 50% 1st/ in stages and later sell the balance at a higher profit price.
All is up 2 u. brows.gif

I feel next week KLSE still can go up.. coz next Wednesday is the 1st Cabinet meeting.
IF US there no more shitting blood den okla... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ozone9 @ Apr 12 2009, 03:24 PM)
dear guru,
i bought Gamuda 5398 at 1.00+ and now is 2.40..can anyone advise on this?

i am long term investor n would not mind to keep if can reap more in a longer term.
believe its also a political related counter!

thanks
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 12 2009, 09:40 PM)
If 90% of the investors believe it is unlikely, then it may become unlikely.

If majority just wait and see, and do not want to buy anything, then it is likely.
Just my confused version. Fear vs Hope  biggrin.gif
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I guess it would still depend on upcoming data. US data may show stabilization or improvement but I think our local data would still show deterioration? Anyway, my 0.2 cents only.....

QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 12 2009, 09:41 PM)
Wow... very nice unrealized profit ady.. rclxms.gif
Mind share with us how long u bought and keep this share to reach this price?

Alot of research house call sell on Gamuda..like OSK, CIMB... most of them prefer switch to IJM.
GLC construction sector get boost from government...all went up...

If you feel theres room for Gamuda to go higher, maybe you can sell 30% or 50% 1st/ in stages and later sell the balance at a higher profit price. 
All is up 2 u.  brows.gif

I feel next week KLSE still can go up.. coz next Wednesday is the 1st Cabinet meeting. 
IF US there no more shitting blood den okla... laugh.gif

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If I had caught Gamuda at RM1.00+ (probably less than RM1.50?), I would probably hold it for long-term. The reason is because I don't think we can ever get that price range again.....

Anyway, @viper88, anything to goreng this week? drool.gif


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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 12 2009, 10:34 PM)
I guess it would still depend on upcoming data. US data may show stabilization or improvement but I think our local data would still show deterioration? Anyway, my 0.2 cents only.....
If I had caught Gamuda at RM1.00+ (probably less than RM1.50?), I would probably hold it for long-term. The reason is because I don't think we can ever get that price range again.....

Anyway, @viper88, anything to goreng this week?  drool.gif
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Well, it depends the degree of transparency you have.

If you say GDP is growing by 0.1% for example, most people would think it is negative.

In the West or Singapore where there is a greater transparency. Even though your coming Q result may not be good, but you have reasons to foresee better future results, investors may see a chance to buy your co's shares if traded with big discounts.

So how you " see it " is as important.

This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Apr 12 2009, 10:51 PM

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