a good hunter and mage who knows wut's he is doing...
some good healers are close to impossible to burst down...
and of course some really fabulous locks who just kill u before u could even kill him...

and yet i am happy that i would never be able to kill them unless i could land a HoJ or JoJ on the range dudes while good timing vs healers..

again i quote my previous post (based on the ever occured issues)
"1 case prove nothing which is why blizzard are the ones having the numbers, not u, not me, not any1 else...
the 'IF' factor are nothing when looking at a huge sample case which is wut blizzard based on during balancing...
it alone justify wutever nerfs and buffs blizzard made for ret in 3.1..."

i believe unless the numbers show so, a class is not OP in any ways...

edit: i missed out DKs as the faceroll class that i have prob wit...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Apr 9 2009, 03:28 PM

i beg to differ. ive played ret on TR and they definitely arent easy to play mainly due to the offensive/defensive roles they have to take up (cleanse/HOF/HOP etc on teammates and not just yourself) and because of that, its most likely not the reason why ret are op.

the *MAIN* reason why ret's op is because of the number of instants they can save up for the HOJ + trinkets etc to score a kill. not to mention a huge majority of their dmg ignores armor.

btw, theres a reason why retdins are called retardins

That's right, nobody should lose to a clueless noob who's just mashing the buttons. However, right now, there are tons of clueless Retdins who are doing exactly that, and winning in general, not just Arena. It's because their damage output is too high. And they can be invulnerable while doing it, notwithstanding the 50% dmg reduction.

I disparage Retdins because they can do so much with so little drawbacks.

DKs are worse. DKs are made for special children. That why this can happen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIXYMY4dOmI-

This post has been edited by ray123: Apr 9 2009, 03:36 PM

what numbers are you looking for? arena representation? ghostcrawler already said they don't balance based on that, which is why feral druids got nerfed even though there aren't that many doing well in arena. i'm pretty sure bliz knows you guys are overpowered just that they don't really have a good solution on how to nerf you guys yet without killing your pve performance.

i don't really have problem with ret burst as long as they make it harder to execute, somewhere along the lines of a mage shatter combo. not some crap where you can 100-0 someone using a castsequence.

oohhhh i see. long time buddies then? lulz

Yeah, but we're not in the same guild anymore. Haven't been in a long time. For some reason I find myself playing more comfortably with Singaporeans and foreigners than with Malaysians (he's in a Malaysian guild). Maybe because I'm not used to hearing Cantonese on vent kekeke.

ah i see i see. sorta same here ^^
which is why i never bothered to transfer off US stormscale despite the community of asiapacific players are so little these day (was MUCH better back pre-bc/BC days)

sure it gave me a LOT of inconvenience especially while climbing arena ranks, but its kewl, so long im happy aye?

not arena representations...
matchups, damage done, kills etc...
all of these could be found in logs and compiled, not shown to us (some of it justifying the SoB changes in PTR)...
there was a blue post back then claiming some spreadsheet and the same for warhammer back then as well...

sure but instead blizzard chose to buff ret in giving exorcism usable on all target?
a ret can't do a single burst without getting close to u and he has no tools to close the gap towards you unlike warriors, rogue etc...
to me, that's the hard part in executing the burst...
which is high a good hunter and a mage can kite a ret and kill off the ret in 1v1 situations...
thus partnering a DK, he can grip over the target negating some of the drawbacks of a ret in chasing the target...
of course there would be nerf to DG to come (considering all the pulling skilsl in warhammer suffered the same fate)

not to mention the tightness in terms of mana from multiple cleanse chasing around the target (thoguh 3.1 would changed it with 25% JoW)...
the only ret burst nerf in 3.1 was the crit chance and the DoTs (doesn't matter) which is nothing compared to the DS, exorcism and CS triggering DoTs buffs (and pretty soon CS buff)...

OMG... a pally complaining about mana problems... WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO???

yes, i have roll a new ret pally..thats the thing.
and my friend suggest the name Failly lol

patch 3.1 evofantasy: IMMA BE CHARGIN MAH EXORCISM!!!!

u never play a ret do u?

after the chances to JoW at 15%, mana is a poblem from multiple cleansing and minor heals...
a full burst would take around 50% of the mana alone (including poping AW) together with the cleanse etc, its definately an issue...
no point using the 25% HoT when it cuts ur healng by half...
which is why ret would rejoice at the newly buffed JoW to 25%...

only holy is the pally that does not have mana issues (fixed in 3.1)...
so sitll think ret is OP?
i think so cause it makes clueless ppl QQ moar!

letme get this straight: so now you think ret is op? lulz

yes cause i decided to go wit the crowd to say that ret is OP...
but of course why i think its OP is different...

ps: if u cant get to the 10 yard range, u get no mana from JoW triggers...

ps2: exorcism is a big mana sink as well but with that damage, its worth it being better than HoW...

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Added on April 9, 2009, 11:06 pmhttp://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=48493.0

new arena standing...
see the top teams?
still think ret is imba?
it seems that the pros knows to play and nt jz sit around QQ-ing for nerfs...

lots of RMP, 0 of the so called famous holyplay by some forummer
not to mention most if not all of the pally are holy, nt ret (u do the checking urself)...

@ quartz
now are u convince by me now about RMP as a viable compo (or are u going to go to sk-gaming again and deny RMP being good dying to facerolling ret)?
9th in US, top 3 and 10th in europe...
waiting for u to eat up ur words...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Apr 9 2009, 11:14 PM

*gasp*

like, pally's HL, FoL, cleanse, HoS, HoF, BoP, exorsim, turn evil use bullets instead of mana?? the hand lifting, finger twitching action plus the flash of light/ coiling effect happened on bg members and pots, drinks wasted for mana just 15 minutes ago are all my illusions???

where have all my mana gone, long time passing~~
where have all the mana gone, Long time ago~~~
where have all the mana gone, warlock comes and suck them up~~~
when will they ever learn?
oh, when will they ever learn?

that's it... must be the warlocks...

another example of idiots playing ret pallies thinking its hard... who cares about mana if you're gona burst down people in 1 HOJ... theorycraft much?
You mentioned that common sense isn't godsent, but does god hate you that much?

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Added on April 10, 2009, 1:02 amhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=54428
friendly advise, get to level 80 before throwing sarcastic remarks... it makes you look clueless, no really.

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 10 2009, 01:02 AM

are you SERIOUSLY bringing TR standings for your argument? oh wow, im really impressed. no seriously.
so like a handful of players represent the entire live server? nice.

giving you the benefit of the doubt (considering ur brain levels is >9000) i would think that you are having some bad case of fat fingers or cock eyes (actually both, really.) that you cant even get my name right. or maybe ur having too much fantasies and you cant see anything beyond that? most likely.

on to the subject:
- WHEN THE HELL ive mentioned RMP not being a VIABLE comp?
- EU TR = the world. right.

so what words am i gonna eat this time? your bullshit? no thanks, they prolly taste like... oh yea bullshit right? yeap.

oh, now the level 80 card is played... should i go QQ and called my mommy + guildies because someone with level 80 toon thinks retribution paladin should get epic gears that pumps intellect and mana regen... i play my lowbie retribution paladin the wrong way... i mean, i only got few blues ones from some lower dungeon/AH and others are green... they are mostly pumping stamina and strength, no wonder my mana doesn't regen fast even with replenishment effect...

then again, in a pvp server/ wintergrasp/ battle ground, hordes and alliances alike are ladies/gentlemen and will gladly do 1v1 with you even there are 12 of them and 5 of you... /OOM?? No problem... they'll just wait for you to kill the mob, cleanse, heal, cast DP/ drink and start a friendly duel... and don't worry, you are the only retribution paladin, others (including my lowbie pally) are coined as lolret because of the stupidity of going hostile to opponent and using mana for cleansing/ buffing/ healing other allies in such situation... THEY JUST WANNA BE FRIENDS EVEN IF YOU ARE FLAGGED FOR PVP!!!

what a *wonderful daydream* it is in this imaginary world of Azeroth... or maybe i should just tone down my sarcasm a bit...

GC mentioned about how arena can be a drag race on which healers go /oom, hence the burst damage is implemented to shorte arena time, and it got slightly out of control for certain class...

they call it the graveyard zerg for a reason. or in arenas, fight dont last long enough for mana to be a problem.

and yes, is out of hand for a few class, and no thats not even what the majority is complaining about now.

wow big wall of text... i honestly cbf of how you play your class
my statement was simple, trying to be funny and act like you actually have a fragment of the clue when you absolutely have none makes you look like an idiot...
there... i tried to refrain from the names calling but then again you had to go and make a bigger ass out of yourself

go along, facerolling your class "the way you like it" and lie to yourself that you actually have skill.

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 10 2009, 01:50 PM