mana burn the assholes till they go oom

I find it annoying the original defensive hybrid (the Paladin) has more offensive power than the original offensive hybrid (the Shaman), yet they still retain all their defensive strengths.

We can agree that stunlock is extremely annoying. We hate it when you're receiving it from a Rogue. We hate it when you're receiving it from a Druid via Pounce, Maim, Feral Charge, Bash, Cyclone (I know I did it often on my druid).

I hate it the most when I'm receiving it from a Paladin. At least Rogues and Druids go through with their entire motions in their stunlock sequence, but a Ret Pally wouldn't need to sweat about thinking "oh I should press this first then that". Possibly their only major decision is "Hammer or Repentance first?".

Let's face it, Rogues and Druids open from stealth. Before they commit to an attack they would size up the prey first, or wait for their own cooldowns. And if things go south, they can just run away.

A Ret, even if he's caught pants down; can unleash enough damage and has the defense to make any ambusher regret it. God forbid if their Hammer comes back up, but you can't even run from a fight you've started if they ever get into melee range (A DK is even worse with Death Grip and Chains of Ice). Maybe a Hunter or a Mage can start a long range fight and stay there, but I doubt other classes can stay far away long enough to whittle down the Paladin. And I doubt Ret Pallies run away in fear of Warriors and Death Knights.

well ret pally is OP on 3.0.0-3.0.3 but 3.0.9 hunter is OP.. i top 1st dps and HEALS on MH pug when 3.0 release..
But if 3.1 is out and the crusader strike skill will reduce healing/spell by 50% then thats definitely gonna be MORE OP..
Currently got bored of ret.. playing prot since prot gonna get buff on 3.1 with exorcism can be use on anything and 100% crit on undead..and Divine Aegis can help to save noobies from dying at 3Drakes

yeah.. just damn lazy to fight them... as they bubble, heal heal heal heal heal heal.. ZzzzzzZzzZZZzzZZZzZ

Another thing that irks me is that there is no drawback to be inside a bubble for a Ret Pally. Really. What drawback is it for a Ret Paladin to be inside his Divine Shield?

In the past it was a super slow melee swing timer, so Rets needed to juggle between healing themselves or continue to finish the fight at a low health. This was offset by instant Judgements like of Command and then by the talent Crusader Strike. Not to mention Hammer of Wrath. All of these addressed the ancient pain of a Paladin unable to dps effectively while inside his Divine Shield. He had to choose: bubble heal or don't bubble and dps. Now that a Paladin have the talents and skills do dps and heal themselves the same time, I see no rational for Divine Shield.

Sure, one can argue Feral Druid Bears are almost the same: ridiculous survivability and able to last long in a fight. But unless he's very geared, you don't get killed by a Bear in a short time. A Bear's strategy is to outlast, a Ret Paladin is to burst. It's like a 3-minute Mage but in melee range. And you know how vulnerable a Mage is if you catch him in melee. Not for the Ret, he still has the bubble. Even DKs have to stack their diseases first, Rogues have to build their combo points first (and again and again).

Yes, I'm a bitter Shaman.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/1613736629...-this-game.html

6 things ruining this game with blue responses.

I hardly see Ret using the bubble to run away... I hardly see Rets running away in the first place :S

If anything, they use the bubble to ignore all CC effects to close in!

Obviously when rets get into range they will kill you, thats what their class is. Melee. The same can be said of how vulnerable ret is if you hold/kite him at range. Ret has bubble to escape.. ok.. Mage has blink and other ways to escape just as well. The whole pvp thing is just rock-scissors-paper. Some classes inevitably will be at the losing end to pallies and some will be at the winning end. If you want to pwn pallies, pick rock(metaphorically). But then again, people are gonna complain how OP paper pwns rock.

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investment to lower HoJ CD (30 sec with talent and gears) and the use of SoB (rather than seals of 'roulette' ) for that ret paladin really pays off...

you don't understand do you? Its because its so OP that people are already complaining about giving them extra dmg... get a clue dumbass.
like i said, a hybrid as main and only dps in a 3v3 team is f***ed up, not matter how you put it.

All this smack talk and you have no justification what so ever for that 17k dmg in one HoJ. 17,000 DAMAGE. IN ONE STUN. And only one of those attacks is a crit. Only ONE crit.

And the best you come up with is "it means nothing without a gap closure". Well how exactly did the pally did that to the RESTO druid, the most MOBILE of all healers? You know, the one everyone raged about?

oh...wow...

thanks for making my day. im laughing so hard at office now.

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Added on April 9, 2009, 2:54 pm

psst *JOJ* XD

but yeah, it goes without saying that reason/logic and him doesnt coexist lol. you'd think with all the shifts, roots, bearbash, cat maim, feral charge etc etc, you'd get away from the supposedly kited retdin or whatever hes saying LOL

i dont know, that retdin prolly haxed and is swing his weapons 20 yards away, like that leonidas guy from 300. maybe.

btw you got any idea on that blur problem?

I'm pretty sure the victim in the screenshot knows what he's doing. Afterall he's rated 2112 in 2v2. I doubt he was shuffling along in tree form.

If a 2100 rated resto druid wearing enough resilience to only get critted once in 17k damage and gets killed by a Paladin within one stun, do you really think it's the druid's fault?

For the record, the screenshot was the second HoJ. He trinketed the first one, used his Barkskin and instant healed to full, ran around until the Paladin's HoJ came back up and then the screenshot happened.

Don't tell me high rated resto druids don't know how to run/escape from a melee class.

Ever occurred to you that even bad players who happen to be playing Retdins are doing this now?

You're right, people would be happy if they can face roll any possible class. Well, tell me, which class can easily face roll over a Ret Paladin? Who do you have serious problems against?

what numbers are you looking for? arena representation? ghostcrawler already said they don't balance based on that, which is why feral druids got nerfed even though there aren't that many doing well in arena. i'm pretty sure bliz knows you guys are overpowered just that they don't really have a good solution on how to nerf you guys yet without killing your pve performance.

i don't really have problem with ret burst as long as they make it harder to execute, somewhere along the lines of a mage shatter combo. not some crap where you can 100-0 someone using a castsequence.

OMG... a pally complaining about mana problems... WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO???

letme get this straight: so now you think ret is op? lulz

are you SERIOUSLY bringing TR standings for your argument? oh wow, im really impressed. no seriously.
so like a handful of players represent the entire live server? nice.

giving you the benefit of the doubt (considering ur brain levels is >9000) i would think that you are having some bad case of fat fingers or cock eyes (actually both, really.) that you cant even get my name right. or maybe ur having too much fantasies and you cant see anything beyond that? most likely.

on to the subject:
- WHEN THE HELL ive mentioned RMP not being a VIABLE comp?
- EU TR = the world. right.

so what words am i gonna eat this time? your bullshit? no thanks, they prolly taste like... oh yea bullshit right? yeap.

oh, now the level 80 card is played... should i go QQ and called my mommy + guildies because someone with level 80 toon thinks retribution paladin should get epic gears that pumps intellect and mana regen... i play my lowbie retribution paladin the wrong way... i mean, i only got few blues ones from some lower dungeon/AH and others are green... they are mostly pumping stamina and strength, no wonder my mana doesn't regen fast even with replenishment effect...

then again, in a pvp server/ wintergrasp/ battle ground, hordes and alliances alike are ladies/gentlemen and will gladly do 1v1 with you even there are 12 of them and 5 of you... /OOM?? No problem... they'll just wait for you to kill the mob, cleanse, heal, cast DP/ drink and start a friendly duel... and don't worry, you are the only retribution paladin, others (including my lowbie pally) are coined as lolret because of the stupidity of going hostile to opponent and using mana for cleansing/ buffing/ healing other allies in such situation... THEY JUST WANNA BE FRIENDS EVEN IF YOU ARE FLAGGED FOR PVP!!!

what a *wonderful daydream* it is in this imaginary world of Azeroth... or maybe i should just tone down my sarcasm a bit...

GC mentioned about how arena can be a drag race on which healers go /oom, hence the burst damage is implemented to shorte arena time, and it got slightly out of control for certain class...

they call it the graveyard zerg for a reason. or in arenas, fight dont last long enough for mana to be a problem.

and yes, is out of hand for a few class, and no thats not even what the majority is complaining about now.

i'd still go for stamina as the 1st priority, the reason is simple: no matter how godly paladin pump their strength (over 9000??), they'll still can't really use it if their stamina can't withstand the burst damage that opponents is giving out...
like, when your main concern for pvp are stamina, strength, crit rating, agility...

let me get what you're trying to say with your MUET Band 6 scores...
you're implying that holydin goes OOM?
I rest my case... you're more delusional than I thought.

and Instant_Noodle... stop trying to make a fool out of yourself if you have no idea what you're talking about. I have a level 75 Ret paladin and thus I know what divine plea at least does.

just when i thought your paladin had reached end game level that can make your voice go louder than mine and requesting lowbie me to get to same level before i made any comments...

a 3rd last runner laughing at the last runner for being last in a marathon race... it really makes you feel great, yeah??

might be different play style, like how i place all 5 talent points in BoKings, bet you're using the 1st 5 talent points for the extra strength.
hey, i did met up with a tauren shaman whose at least 10 level higher and i got him down to 40% before he kills me and i was just lv 51 that time without bubble sand LoH...

"OGMAIGAWD PALLY ISH TEH OPEE!!!"
"but the truth is..."
"OWH SHATTAP!!! U JUST DEE-PEE-A-TAUREN'S-ASS!!! OP!!!! NERF THEM BACK TO FREE HK!!!"

well, nobody likes the truth about how i did it right, BECAUSE RETRIBUTION PALADINS ARE PLAIN OP!!!

on the other hand, i was talking to a friend...

noodles: you know the new movie, <place movie name here>...
friend 1: ya i saw it, but i left 20 minutes b4 it ends, the good guy wins and the bad guys dead
noodles: actually the synopsis said a plot twist in the end, and the  good guy actually...
friend 1: (cut in) I BEEN TO THE MOVIE AND THAT'S THAT!!! END OF STORY!!!
noodles: ...

i dont see ret pally as op i see holy/ret as fkn op face rolling bulldozers.