And have i said if i've become a mother i will not do any houseworks at all?
the definition of "facepalm" isn't within the debate content.

I'm trying to say since you guys want to change my mindset and make me regret, I'm willing to do so. Please give me more facts and real life issues in order to convince me. But none of you actually have done it. NONE of you.

Which means you all are plainly say things out of concrete facts and all are your imagination and I can see are vulgar words, "stupid", damngod, bullshit etc...you name it.

Yes, I'm not going to change my mind simply because even though I'm more than willing avail myself here to let you all flame me, none of you are able to convince me with concrete evidence and statements, including you Spunkberry.

Apparently you can't read between the line.
Thanks for your sacarstic criticism.

It shows that you're not a mature person with compassionate personality. What's the value of your statement when you are teasing people this way?

Your personality gain me no trust to believe that what you're saying is correct.
Read the meaning, not the words!

I'm saying I am not going to tell you the details of my marriage plan as this is not what you should concern about to judge my mindset.

I can't believe you have such a poor comprehenssion skill.
If I want to married for the sake of married, I have already married long long time ago.
You have gained yourself a reward.

Yes, go and study hard, little gal.

     

you dun get the pic still huh, never mind la I too lazy to explain to you coz its way too far off. I've limited time here

yeapp
and to moorish:

just because YOUR mother instincts kicked in doesn't make it right, i've seen alot of mothers happy with their family without being money minded. are u telling me their mother instinct haven't kicked in yet?

and how do u know since prehistoric times women have been like that? how did u know they didn't choose based on other factors? sure security yeah, but how did u know they placed 'security' over everything else 1st? even so, how does that make it right?

and don't give me the ' i didnt delete love etc etc' crap. the point is that u placed money higher then everything else.

*sigh*
1. Calling me immature doesn't make you mature.
Yes I know. That's why I will never say people immature unless they insulted people with no concern about other's feeling.

2. Talking down to me doesn't make you a bigger person, it makes you petty.
Be what you thinkg about me. I don't really care.

3. Well read the second part of my "sake of getting married" sentence.
Yes, i noticed your second part.
Yes, a potential man is when he has done his best to be financial capable.

4. My comprehension or your grammar/spelling/1337 minister speech writing english?
Apparently your comprehension. YOu never try to udnrstand before post. I'm blessed that with my bad english, i still manage to be a translator.

5. You really like to pay attention to the vulgar words, point them out, call the user out, and then fail to continue your argument.
Yes, I don't like people use those words to insult people.
If you want to prove that you are right, do so in providing facts and reasons, not only imagination.

6. Why would I want to be compassionate towards you? I think I would be more compassionate towards moorish than you, and that's saying something.
Do you think it's too late for you to be more compassionate towards moorish?
I don't need your compassion if you don't want to. Ok, let you fulfill your final will: debbieyss is a "high-maintenance gold digger" woman, who clings on husband for her personal luxury lust. You want me to admit this, no?

7. Words == meaning. Say what you mean, mean what you say.
I always do.

whats wrong with what i said? why the unnecessary facepalm? did i say anything that didn't make any sense?

i think it makes perfect sense, and i was asking 2 questions. if u dun wanna explain to me, then at least answer them briefly....

whats the picture anyway? mind explaining to me? and please.....answer directly, not twisting, turning and averting until the other side of the universe.

here's what i said again,

Looks like u r the one tat don't understand.
Its her own choice if she wants to think like that, what i want to point out is the "mindset" flaw not only to her but also to OTHER GIRLS
that have the same thinking influenced/blurred by $$$$$ in making important decision.

Understd? 

If you wanna add about possibilities, then you may as well add he find mistress later, he is woman abuser, he likes unusual sex, he rapes daughters
no more debating with you until you understand simple comprehension.

yes, I think you;re the only male in here that can read english.

It was emphasize from the beginning when I say why woman are money minded, since prehistoric ages they look for man that can provide, todays equivalent would be money = security

and the mother instinct not kicked in part

It is never about prehistoric woman wants a giant airy cave to live in, expect to be carry around, demand to eat exotic T-rex meat, its all about meeting and creating a comfortable and workable, safe home to start a family.

Providing and security from a mothers point of view.

Woman inherit this instinct when they look for husband because they're preparing to be mothers, to have children. And in todays world sometimes the man just can provide all hence mothers needs to go out and look for jobs to compensate.

But man in CC expect mothers to work and compensate, failing to see their own failure to do so, plus they got part of their ego chewed and got emo. You should be ashame when you cant provide plus you want to twist this fact and accuse this thread its about enjoying life, about being lazy, you guys are young and never realize a breastfeeding fulltime mother do more and are stressed up more than all yuor years work add together.

Do you know how many mums go into depression? they kill their children!

actually is just like below

rich guy = give more priority

rich guy but with attitude problem = test drive 1st if boh ngam then ditch and find new 1.

not-rich guy = asked them main buntut themself.
No la, I dun think highly of myself, its just like a very nice fat and ugly girl but very very good character interested in you, do you ask her play with banana? she is just not your taste coz you can get better girls, but then ppl might say you're being shallow coz look is not important

if you insist girls who go for rich husband are gold diggers using security as an excuse then ok lor, all those rich man are cursed without true love.

Yes I know. That's why I will never say people immature unless they insulted people with no concern about other's feeling.

Be what you think about me. I don't really care.

Yes, i noticed your second part.
Yes, a potential man is when he has done his best to be financial capable.

Apparently your comprehension. YOu never try to udnrstand before post. I'm blessed that with my bad english, i still manage to be a translator.

Yes, I don't like people use those words to insult people.
If you want to prove that you are right, do so in providing facts and reasons, not only imagination.

Do you think it's too late for you to be more compassionate towards moorish?
I don't need your compassion if you don't want to. Ok, let you fulfill your final will: debbieyss is a "high-maintenance gold digger" woman, who clings on husband for her personal luxury lust. You want me to admit this, no?

I always do.

heh, since when i said anything about gold diggers? who's jumping to conclusions now? and since when i said security was an excuse? since when i said rich men are cursed without true love?

seriously, why so quick to others look bad and yourself look justified? this is a debate, not a winning contest.
u not only did not try to answer my questions, but u tried to hightail out by making me look bad. now, that deserves a facepalm.

i understand security and money is an important factor to consider, but never above everything else. that is all i really said.

Finally we agree, I don't understand.
Who's debating? You debate when you want to win an argument. I've already decided that this isn't an argument I care to win because like I said, everyone is entitled to make their own choices. Yes, there are heaps of possibilities but unless I missed the plot completely, we are talking about MONEY hence my hypothetical quesion in relation to MONEY, capishe?

I agree that all men should work towards fulfilling their potential whether it be in their professional or personal lives. I also agree that money is a component of security. The issue I have is when women like yourself think you are entitled to all of this. It is a privilege, not a right.

Its not entitle, I merely set a standard, I mean I want to fulfilled my dream as a fulltime mother, thats all, its really a simple dream, I need a man with money and a man who share this believe to fulfilled this dream. It takes 2 to clap you know.


Spunkberry brought up a very good point which you conveniently dodge, that women today demand for equality... but only when it's convenient. Do you agree that men need not chip in when it comes to carrying out chores? I mean, men bring home the meat, women clean and cook right?

If you've notice I'm very traditional, my hubby dun do dishes, he dun cooked, but this few months is exceptional as I was struggling to cope with new baby so he help out in some chores. But I feel sad when I see him doing things. I cook daily and try to learn new dishes from MIL.

I like to make the home very comfy so he can come home and enjoy. I make coffee for him morning and night time where he like to sit and watch his fishes while I start a war online

So I'm not those equality woman, when a burglar breaks into the house I expect hubby to deal with it

Men can have affairs so long as they don't bring them home?
Since when this is classed under equality? if like that hubby dun mind I play around with man outside?

If you agree with the examples given then well, good on ya but if you don't, why does equality not come into play when you talk about security? Why should a women not be expected to chip in?

I dun believe in equality, but honestly I like to be pampered...which girl doesnt?

I personally don't think it's easy being a full time mom. It's tiring and taxing. I get tired spending just 30 mins with more than 1 kid. Having said that, I'm surprised you are reinforcing the stereotype that a woman's place is at home making babies. To me, it's a very traditional way of thinking. I actually admire career women but that's just me. They are sell sufficient and need not rely on men to survive. Some might say they're stupid but at least they will be respected. Like I said earlier, I care about how I'm remembered when I'm gone.

I'm really surprise at how many of you dun respect a fulltime mother or think fulltime mother is less respectful as compared to career woman.

Is there a possibility you guys are more money minded? just because a fulltime mother doesnt earn money she is less respectful in the society?

PS: I'm not 'young'/.
Yes I can see from your posting

The person who needs a facepalm is you. Whats this nonsense about this is debate not a winning contest...you debate to get your point across and hammer the oppositions to oblivion = WIN!
different ppl different perception on whats above what. All you're saying is you have a stoned old fashion mindset that needs to upgrade to the latest version.

I saw this post yesterday but didnt find time to reply. I find his angle very very interesting. Drug dealer.

During my time with my ex he is sort of gangster type, I've come to know a lot of others in gang and of coz the girls would be mixing and chatting.

I used to follow my ex to meet this leader in penang, he is filthy rich and his money of coz isnt clean. He has 4 wifes and all the wifes knows each other. They stay in big houses each of them, with so many big guard dogs, they drive nice cars, he has a guy who drives an Estima to all the wifes house to pick up and send all the children to school,  LV and diamond rolex of coz included in the package, I used to adore her watch we call them "moon thin sing", diamonds were set even on the casing and bracelet, it cost about 120K that time, I'm not sure how much it cost now.

During that time, we're living hands to mouth, no savings, sometimes ex will get big money duno from where and he will spend it all within 2 weeks, karaokes and gambling. I remember sometimes deep in my mind how I wish I was like those wifes enjoying life. All his 4 wifes are ex karaokes GROs

I sometimes try to put my shoes if I can be like them? I guess when you're very low in your life you dun seem to have much choice, so security has a new meaning, you actually dun care, but its only in my mind I didnt do it.

Then I look at those girls and wonder, do they love him? The answer is yes I believe. But if you ask what kinda love this is I dont know. I guess it depends where you come from.

I've mixed even with prostitutes, some of his frens gfs are prost and we do talk a lot, I've asked them why they do what they do and most times they come from poor broken families.

I guess moral and how many people ignored moral, or are force to put moral aside. I dun and never look down on them, I kept in touch with a few girls after married but I can see from hubbys face he dun really like me mixing around with those girls so I slowly stayed away.

Coming back to this topic, those girls comes from broken family with very little guidance, sometimes money is so tight and without much education and mother sick or bro and sis still young need to go to school they sell themselves for quick money. I respect this girls in the sense they willing to lower thier standard and make sure their younger bro and sis can have proper education. OLs I know or white collar girls, will never in thier life sacrifice so much for the family.

They never got out from the slum as its already become part of their lives now.

I dont come from broken family, but I do come from poor family, my parents never agreed with me going out with thugs, but that time young and I practically elope and stay with my ex, I was very in love with him, and broke my mums heart into 1000X pieces.

As I grow older, and time is catching up, I start to panic coz I see this is going nowhere, hence fast forward to today I got out of it.

So you see, if you come from a comfortable lifes, drug money is a big sin, but if you're way down there, its heaven sent.

I know its morally wrong, thats why I make sure I'm a fulltime mother and put as much reality and moral to Noreens life. I'll try to give my best.

ok guys, time for yuo to twist and attack me...I'm being truthful of my experience and what I felt that time, the temptations was strong.

Seriously, i dun mind giving chances to a fat and ugly gal if she willing to slim down and learn how to look more presentable.

but u is different, u never give chance to those who not rich momentary, 1st thing u did is to filtering out what he own, but ignoring what he can be in future.

Seriously, i dun mind giving chances to a fat and ugly gal if she willing to slim down and learn how to look more presentable.

but u is different, u never give chance to those who not rich momentary, 1st thing u did is to filtering out what he own, but ignoring what he can be in future.

yeapp
and to moorish:

just because YOUR mother instincts kicked in doesn't make it right, i've seen alot of mothers happy with their family without being money minded. are u telling me their mother instinct haven't kicked in yet?

I'm coming from the angle, a lot of young girls who are so in love with thier handsum bfs, they plunge into marriage and after 1 baby decided hubby not capable to sapot.

The money minded from you is it security or BMW? coz I was coming from security.

and how do u know since prehistoric times women have been like that?

And how do you know prehistoric times woman are not like that? I'm basing this on human before civilization, meaning no commercial values or trading. So we can automatically assume the value of extra T-rex meat would've been useless.


how did u know they didn't choose based on other factors?
you mean like handsome flintstone? well if they have chosen handsum flintstone who cant hunt and protect the family they would've been extint by now dun you think so?

sure security yeah, but how did u know they placed 'security' over everything else 1st? even so, how does that make it right?

They live in dangerous times, security and food is the only reason, without this 2 they wont be human today

and don't give me the ' i didnt delete love etc etc' crap. the point is that u placed money higher then everything else.
Coz I was coming from the point of prehistoric times, security = money
so I stressed on the money part

Ahchai! i really dont think u understand what u just said

You asking the girl to slim down is the same as her asking u to get rich. how many facepalm, now?

Seriously, i dun mind giving chances to a fat and ugly gal if she willing to slim down and learn how to look more presentable.

but u is different, u never give chance to those who not rich momentary, 1st thing u did is to filtering out what he own, but ignoring what he can be in future.

Ahchai! i really dont think u understand what u just said

You asking the girl to slim down is the same as her asking u to get rich. how many facepalm, now?