Giving up already?

Then think twice before coming in here to spread your horseshit, ghetto Chinese conwoman bullshit, like pushing diamonds as a form of "investment", attempting to guilt trip and shame men into buying them for their girlfriends, and then promoting shameless prostitution as a means of social mobility.

You will only be WTFPAWNED.

Unlike many of the men here I am not a Captain-Save-a-Hoe, and I DO NOT PULL MY PUNCHES.

That's commendable.
For the last time, this isn't about "winning/losing". Its about realising the inconsistencies in your posts. Generally, and in principle, I agree with your views, however the more you spew out, the more it seems you're talking about something else. We all often consciously think of things we're going to say and how people around will perceive us for what we say. These are things we realise, but if you watch your words, the sub-conscious, the things we really feel reveals itself. Try to do  examine it yourself, as sort of a self-reflection. I do it from time to time and it reveals a lot of what you truly feel/want.
Then you go and say this:

If you don't think, you're not here to debate. You're just here to preach your views as if it were gospel truth. That my dear, is not a debate.
Yes I do, and why do you think guys don't want to look for women who would divorce them due to financial issues? While I personally believe its a man's duty to provide, I also believe its a  woman's duty to support him and not be a leech. What's the point for us to marry someone if that person is likely to leave us when times are bad?

Moorish, to put it very simply, you're selfish. You think only about yourself, and in this debate, you've never stopped to think about the needs of others and how your "advice" would affect them.

A male equivalent of your advice would be to go around "spend money" on women, fool around, but don't marry them. After all, a man's prerogative is to breed with as many females as possible, just as it is your prerogative to find a successful man to support you and your children. Such advice would allow him to spread his seed, keep a ready supply of fresh young women, and secure his assets from potential divorce cases. Yet, I wouldn't call such advice, good advice, would you?
If he could, but wasn't rich, he wouldn't have had the chance in the first place.
There's nothing wrong in your aims. The problem lies when you try to turn your selfish needs into advice for other girls as well, assuming that your advice would make them happy, assuming that your advice is good for society. Newsflash girl, it isn't.

So far moorish, in all your writings in defending yourself, regardless of the topic. All you talk about what YOU want, about what YOU seek in life, about what YOU want your partner to give to you, and about how well YOUR hubby is treating you. Notice that EVERYTHING is about you. You can't separate yourself from the issue, you can't be objective in your views, it seems you can't think about anyone, other than yourself. I really do hope that is not the case, but that is the impression you have put forth in this forum, not just this topic alone.

Your hubby has swept you off your feet, and kudos to him, men should know how to woo their woman Now the question is, what qualities does your hubby have that you found attractive, or what is it about your hubby do you like that, that doesn't pertain to you?

If I'm the one who doesn't care about man's financial capability, I would have ended up like my cousin sister, married his husband who working as a car technician and her father that paid her wedding dinner and medical fees for her first baby;

If I'm one of the losers, I would have been like another cousin sister who cling on a husband (so to call an average-salary-man), cruelly knocked by her husband. Currently her husband was suspected in transporting drugs. She could have gone for her ex, who is financial capable, nice personality.

So you tell me, marry an average and ended up a life like this, where is the future? Have you thought about the children? The decision you chose is no longer you alone that responsible for the outcome but also your children!

So, you claim that you are an average man, no? But you see the way you flame people here. If you are to prove your view is right, please do share more concrete statements than plain meaningless insulting words. This is only a forum dealing with only words but still can make you go crazy and lose temper at anonymous and strangers, I seriously doubt about how average you are and how much you do really care about your future family.

And yes, I will sure live long.
I also don't know why, too 

But then, I ever sent a complaint letter to my college's vice president cos he ignored the facility of computer lab, which lacked of headphones for over 2 months and finally college called me and I met him up at his room face to face. At the end problem solved.

I don't mind they come and pawn me and flame me. Let's have fun!
Poyozer, told you already. Gals who go after financial security is not because they aim for materialistic enjoyment, but for uncertainties in the future.

i don't get u. why are you trashing some girl u don't know???

I have no comment about moorish's idea.
I just know me and her are looking for the same type of man.
Those financial capable men impress me, really.

1. HE Wasn't? Are you kidding? Please go and check out who was the first person that insult people with vulgar words. I thought I have already mentioned the reasons why I flamed him. Did you read the post? Stepping into a thread without any fragment of facts given but plainly vulgar words. I will not respect a person who doesn't know how to respect himself and respect others.

Mind to estimate the living expenses of a normal family, a husband, a wife and a kid today? Please list them down here and share with us.
YES!

I place money above all. Simply because when I was a kid, I saw how hard my parents been working for the family. I know that money doesn't fall from the sky. You want to survive, you have to work hard and earn yourself and your family a living.

I find no way to see how a man is potential enough to be the leader of a family except from his financial capability. It's only a man who willing to strive hard and work hard bring him to how financial capable is today!

I do not want my parents worry if I and my children have enough food to eat, I don't want cling on my parents to spare me from the wedding day's expenses; I do not want my parents to spend the medical fees for my children; I don't want to burden my parents when I'm already married to a man, who can't afford to afford all these uncertainties. I know a man who truly loves me will not let me and our children starve for better nutritious food, better education, better learning environment and etc, when my name is no longer my given but entitled his surname and my name!

Happy?
Replied. Please read what I have answered sinchro.
Yes i know. The reason why I'm looking for financial security is as mentioned to sinchro above. Go and read.
Why now?
You can neither give me any real life example, kiddi.
Quote me the statement which I have mentioned this.
Have you ever thought of the living expenses of a moderate family?
List me the breakdown here, if you don't mind.
I have already replied. Please read the previous post.
I'm not going to repeat for second time.
i seriously doubt if you do understand where my stance is.
The children are not mine, but his, too.
Are you expect a woman to feed the children while her man is still struggling even to support himself?
Are you looking for a husband like this? I'm gonna send you a great present if you are going to marry such a man.
Have you thought of how much your parents spend for your family? Go and do some research and ask them before you come and question me.
Thanks!
The reason, I have mentioned above. Please read.

Man can bum off me if I betray him and cheat him.

I'm more than willing to reply your post. 

Before I reply you, can you tell me how much you know about my stance?

Thanks.

HAHAHHAA WHAT???!!!!

Not looking down on women's abilities or worthiness and compassion at all, but how some men can make that mental leap is beyond me. 

survival is more important than love. Materialism is out of context.

Wars happen not because men cause them, but because men are EXPECTED to fight them.

Putting women on a pedestal only hurts people in the long run because they just add another layer of taboos and lacunas to prevent themselves from seeing and understanding human nature. Anyway... just my dua sen. 

I do happen to read up on wars, and I think you're wrong about this. I think you've bought into that whole male demonisation thing that nutless academics have been preaching.

     

you dun get the pic still huh, never mind la I too lazy to explain to you coz its way too far off. I've limited time here

yeapp
and to moorish:

just because YOUR mother instincts kicked in doesn't make it right, i've seen alot of mothers happy with their family without being money minded. are u telling me their mother instinct haven't kicked in yet?

and how do u know since prehistoric times women have been like that? how did u know they didn't choose based on other factors? sure security yeah, but how did u know they placed 'security' over everything else 1st? even so, how does that make it right?

and don't give me the ' i didnt delete love etc etc' crap. the point is that u placed money higher then everything else.

if you insist girls who go for rich husband are gold diggers using security as an excuse then ok lor, all those rich man are cursed without true love.

The person who needs a facepalm is you. Whats this nonsense about this is debate not a winning contest...you debate to get your point across and hammer the oppositions to oblivion = WIN!
different ppl different perception on whats above what. All you're saying is you have a stoned old fashion mindset that needs to upgrade to the latest version.

I'm coming from the angle, a lot of young girls who are so in love with thier handsum bfs, they plunge into marriage and after 1 baby decided hubby not capable to sapot.

The money minded from you is it security or BMW? coz I was coming from security.

And how do you know prehistoric times woman are not like that? I'm basing this on human before civilization, meaning no commercial values or trading. So we can automatically assume the value of extra T-rex meat would've been useless.

They live in dangerous times, security and food is the only reason, without this 2 they wont be human today