Love with a price tag. Nice. If more women voluntarily insist on being an object like you, forums like these arent even needed. Its about time you start a movement to 'educate' the girls about the benefit of selling yourselves and make us men's life easier.

you will be surprised that all girls sit together and talk bout this all the time. And i dont think by educationg the girls this will make the men's life easier. Look we have been talking about this topic, and instead of thinking through what we've said, you are being so defensive and start calling us prostiutes lar this and that. Men's ego making you unable to input what girls are thinking.

And, meaning to say that, if you have a female friend, or your sister or your daughter or whoever, whom is smart, pretty and capable, but for the word of LOVE, she is with a man that so called love her so much, but is too lazy and incapable to provide her a good and steady life, then she has to work double to feed the guy somemore. You will never ask her to leave him for a better man that can take care of her? or you will ask her to continue working hard to feed him becuse he loves her?

I'm not talking about the issue of getting a rich or poor husband. But the question of why girls should be blamed for setting ourselves guildelines on getting an assured relationship and a somehow promising future? well of course nothing is 100% promising. but something that we can foresee that will have potentially better future assurance?

If you dont understand how true love sometimes work, go watch Titanic again and again. That movie rebutt your arguments better than i could. And if you still dont see the point after that, feel free to quote how much do u charge an hour.

Only stupid Asians will even think of things like this.

Look at idiot Singaporeans. The five C's were the rage back in the 90s. Guess what? Singaporean women expect Singaporean men to have five C's, but they freely sleep with white men who don't meet the requirements.

It's quite obvious what men must do.

We must acknowledge that finances have an indispensable role in our lives. Financial freedom can free you from the rat race, it can broaden your horizons, it increases your social mobility, it promises a better future not just for you but also for your offspring. But we must also acknowledge other things of importance in a man's life. Things such as principles, community, character, individuality, social stature, family... it's a very long list.

As men we must wholly reject the idea that your worth depends entirely upon the money you make or the money we can make. We are worth much more than that. This idea is a mental chain design to wrap around your mind so that you never learn what other qualities and things women also look for.

The result if you follow them would be to become an idiot Singaporean. Most of the men there no matter how highly paid they are live in a highly regimented society and they lack freedom of time and social mobility. Because they believe that only money matters in attracting a mate they are used as providers while being FREELY CUCKOLDED by their own women, who satisfy their other needs and wants with other men whose only pre-requisite is that they are not Singaporean Chinese.

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Added on October 3, 2009, 4:46 pmAs for the people here actually taking the effort to defend a thread titled "Girls are money minded: be proud of it", I think they need to understand the TRUE meaning of "ada wang ada ahmoi" and hang out more with men who truly live by that saying.

They will learn the difference.

how unromantic

If you meet the 5C's criteria yes you too can choose
If not then you're just trying to con bargain your way by saying I cant provide but I want a good beautiful woman to be my wife

If men are evaluated by how much Five C's they have, then women can also be evaluated on how much Five C's their LOOKS deserve.

A lot of women who think they are hot and act hot... are not really that hot.

In addition, women age and lose their looks fast, so a permanent relationship does not make as much sense as a lend-lease one.

Men on the other hand, only grow in stature and power as the years pass, before ill health and death finally takes them.

So the real con game that is being played is by women who are pretending to be very hot in order to milk as much as possible from a chump that actually believes she is worth much more than she actually is. ROFL!

i know brazilian girl are not like that. some of them tho. haha.

well to gauge if a woman is hot is by the general market, you may think she isnt hot but if plenty of man buzzing around her then the market is always right

romantic needs money too you know when you're married.
You cant be having stacks of unpaid bills and a car ready to be repossessed outside your garage and same time hvg a quiet candlelight dinner

In reality, look at all those Datins, husband is very rich, are they all 18 yrs old? nope nearly all those Datins are the original wifes

A lot of Malaysian women are idiots. It saddens me. They believe and absorb whatever they are fed by word of mouth or mass media without thinking or reflecting.

Take for example, the large numbers of them "starting out" and playing the stock market. Do they understand how fortunes are really made and lost in a stock market, or even foreign exchange or commodities market, and how the market itself is manipulated? They don't. They are too invested in the idea that the system can be mastered or beaten.

At various times here I have heard it said that diamonds are a "good investment". I've even heard it said somewhere that diamonds are a better "investment" than gold.

GOLD IS NOT AN INVESTMENT. It is meant to function as a medium of exchange, as such, it's prices will be kept stable, and also, because buying gold means betting against the US dollar, it's prices are regularly suppressed and pushed down in order to support the dollar supremacy. Gold is used to combat currency hyper-inflation.

But even then it makes more sense than buying a diamond. You cannot sell or exchange a diamond for even the same amount of money you bought it with. If you buy diamonds at retail price then YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

Please for the love of god don't have sex with such brainless women. Your children might take their intelligence from their mother's side and then they would be morons.

well not all the time, i mean there are some simple stuffs that doesn't really need you to spend your partners money vigorously
asking for a $1,000 candle light dinner while your husband working 5 days not stop to actually provide you with the expectation you want,
honestly, which did you look as being romantic? those 5 days he suffers for you to have 2 hours of "romantical fantasy", or is it the bill?

well not all men are really fussy about this kinda stuff, but for the sake of arguement, it might be interesting to receive an answer from the womens side.

I'm coming from if you;re financially tight...its difficult to romance

this thread is getting more fun to read. keep it up guys.

alot of them are, indeed. Men denied the facts that this the how the world is working and still living in their own fantasy world, instead of being more ambitious and hardworking to bring their own level up, and get the chun girls that they dream of ( but they cant get them initially because they can't even take care of themselves yet), they blame the girls for being materialistic and money minded, so come out with the statement " this kinda girl give me also I don't want"
ada duit ada ah moi. very true. and you think simply any girls can get rich, smart, presentable looking, responsible guys? you think guys that fit in this checklist are stupid? they are choosey as well! so this is the part that why girls we should have the initiative to  build up our own career, be financially independant, be smart and have the ability to stand on our own feet, and of course, be charming.

I don't understand why the guys in this thread make it such a big deal untill the extend of cursing TS that her marriage life will not last, when she just pointing out the fact?

it is so obvious rite.. if 2 men put in front for any girl to choose, both share the same standard of look, both love the same, both are sensitive, but one is already financially stable and another one is still struggling, isnt it obvious which 1 a girl will choose?

same goes to you guys wat, both girls for you to choose are equally gentle, nice, caring, but 1 with hot body and angelic face, another one is so so only some more no sense of fashion. which one you go for?

so my point here is, there is no free lunch. do not look down a girl that try to get a man whom is FINANCIALLY STABLE. Like I said, it's not easy to tie the heart of a succesful man, girls have to pay very much effort to keep herself up the standard, if not easily husband go out find ee lai lor like you all said.

same goes to guys, want to have chun and sexy and smart wife, go work harder and earn more money

Thats in Hollywood

I know you're getting a lot of flack for this but I actually see your point and to a large extent, I believe it to be true. Only, I'd changed your last sentence to, "go work harder and make something of yourself". When you use the word, "money" in the manner that you did, it's not hard to see how this may reinforce the thread title.

One thing I've noticed. Instead of gaining some insight into a woman's mind, male posters are by and large, being defensive. I for one believe that superficial things like looks and wealth do matter. They aren't the only components that determine if a person likes you or not, but it doesn't hurt to have either. Sometimes I feel people are pressured into giving the "right" answer instead of the real one.