My Bla Bla Bla on Swiftlets,

BHs with no nests, please don't worry if your BHs are in prime location. If you really have no confidence in yourself or in what you are doing, sell off your BHs and sit by the side line and let others do the kicking.

Before anything can happen, the area must be suitable for the birds, then you will have what I called a core for the birds' sanctuary. First, a few birds will stay in a few surround Birdhouses and that circumference will gradually but surely increase in area and will cover bigger diameter as time go by taking consideration of whether the core operators are really bird's breeders or not. If your area is in the core of the sanctuary, you shouldn't have a problem to attract birds and if you fail, you are to be blame and you may sell your BH to me anytime and sell 50% to me anything.

If your area is out of the core of the sanctuary, you must wait with patience like father waiting for the baby to be delivered. No rush because it is not in your hand but the hand of the core's BHs owners and also God's hand. Which direction does the expansion is also a matter to discuss NSEW and that's will normally depend on the flow path of the birds.

If your area is far away like in the case of Desa or EcoPark, you need to be more patient if your area is in the feeding or flow path of the birds from the town where your BHs will lure the young ones to visit your new hotels for evaluation for new home.

Provided if the birds still with the town and your area is in the path, you may be fortunate to start a new colony of birds. Pulling in new birds from the town where the places are all full. Once the town's core area is destroyed, all Desa and EcoPArk will fail cos they are not the core of the santuary. Core are where the birds choose to be there and what make the birds stayed in the town more than 50 years ago.

My friend's house already has nest more than 50 years ago then, they don't even know that that are EBN sticking on to their wooden beam until the Indo buyers came to buy from them. They feed the nests to the dogs and dogs don't even like the nests.

So, the story is that the birds choose to stay in town first and later, we only provide them with more areas to stay. Why don't they stay in desa 50 years ago and I can only think that the swiftlets feel safe in town.

Only so much that my little own experience to share and all thru my eyes.....if the authorities really interested and honestly in wanting to make the country a top producer, talk to us.. and please listen.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...3055&sec=nation

Shorter hotels keep Penang on Unesco list

KUALA LUMPUR: The United Nations cultural agency will keep the capital of Malaysia's resort island of Penang on its list of World Heritage Sites after government officials agreed not to allow high-rise hotels......blah blah.

Remember few months back there was this World Heritage issue that affected breeders in Penang and Melaka.

Based on latest The Star report, understand it was the proposal of high-rise hotels that affect World Heritage status and not BHs. Wonder how this World Heritage issue came about? United Nations cultural agency didnt say Penang will loss its listing on World Heritage due to BHs in town. Which gomen agency that make big hoohaa about the whole thing?

Most importantly breeders have to keep the building intact, or at least maintain the facade, paint it to make it more presentable, or hide the DK if any at the backlane rather than shop front etc.

If building high rise hotels was not allowed in town, council should allow bird hotel instead which might be even more profitable. How to maintain the facade of the building if the owners got no money to roll?

Guess after round and round of discussion in the forum, major complaints about BH in towns are Noise and Ugly Facade/DK/cannon holes.

If all breeders/associations can co-orporate and kill these two issues, guess we would have won half battle.

Unfortunately some or many black sheeps start blasting again once notice small glimpse of light at the end of tunnel.

Many times, don't blame the councils/authorities for being harsh; it is we the breeders who should take the blame for being insensitive and harsh to our neighbors. Authorities got no choice after receiving complaints after complaints else they will be seen as not doing their job.

Guess we should think how to help the authorities to help ourselves. End of the day it is the breeders who break own rice bowls.

hi all brothers and sisterrs in e forum. i would like to know more abou starting a bh.
wat is e 1st thing i should look out for? location? near forested areas?

Hi , i am very interested in this swiftlet thing, i have a big piece of land and i was wondering if there are any consultants that are willing to advice and built the house for the birds for a lump sum of not more than 70k.

Bro, do read thru V1 @ below before coming to V2 as all have been discussed in V1 of swiftlets Farming in.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/431781/+2420

It will be a waste of time to repeat again and again.......after reading thru all the pages in V1 and that will take quite sometime, you are hereby declared a wellread swiftlets sanctuary provider...... ready to do battle.

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Added on July 2, 2009, 10:33 amThank Bobby C for the infos, compromised and make you old building in the site look better and well maintained than the rest of the heritage buildings.

The Authorities will have no reason to object or refuse your BH in the site.
After all, most old buildings under the heritage site are so old that without proper maintenance, they will collapse. Talk to the authorities and convince them that your H buildings (BHs) will be better maintenance and will not cause any complaints from public........providing an umbrella to shield the authorities from the heat, the harassment, embarrassment and complaints from the public sometime accusing of corruption if they refuse to take action against BHs in the area....Talk to them, Hear them and Help them to help yourself.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 2 2009, 10:33 AM

thanx bro for the link will read thru that first. arigato

Which state are you coming from? and which town? are there any swiftlet house(s) around the area yet?

Frankly speaking, it is impossible to build a swiftlet ranch with your budget. For example, to build a two storey building alone for swiftlet ranching at size of 25 x 75 feet will already cost you a hefty RM100k+ which doesn't include the planks (given each floor requires 1.5 ton of plank at about RM2.5k/ ton), equipment (audio systems, ventilation, alarm system & etc), consultation fee & etc. However, RM70k might be enough to renovate an existing three storey shoplot depending on what kind of equipment you want.

Hope this info does help you a little bit

This is a SWIFTLET UNIVERSITY where the undergraduates are preparing their thesis under the supervision of Professor West Wind. You are only entering SWIFTLET KINDREDGARDEN, please read up the ABC in V1 fast before you can take part here..........Hehehe............just a joke......no offence....trying to lower BP again..........Kedah is in FIRE again...........since yesterday, no more pork to eat in Kedah.......sigh..........there are idiot black sheep with no brain and wisdom in PAS KEDAH.....trying to light matchsticks to show power turned out to be lighting up a self-planted bomb.......exploded into an inferno.......... burning own camp............. Now, everybody including all the big heads and big snakes are trying to put out fire.................. Looks like this fire is not going to be put off that easy............real idiot and stupid...............how could they put old men from hutan.....to be CEO of state???????.........just simply they are oldest.....??? They don't even know how many zero in a million...........See..... pointing guns inwards.........putting cart infront of horse...............doing all stupid thing ......committing political suicide........... Time for the younger and more intellecture and open minded to lead...........When only the black sheep in PAS would learn??????????


http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/107683

Dear all sifus

Trying to post here a few times but failed. Old folk trying to learn up computer. Yes, I am a niewbie. Ihave a 9 mths BH located at non hotspot area. 2 storey shophouse corner unit. Renovated by a friend- Con sultant. Why Con sultant? cos promised alot but deliver kosong roti. No aroma apply, no humidifier, no thermostat. Only constructed the entrance hole (open roof), NP, tweeters, internal & external sound, amplifier and open 4 tiny ventilation holes at the side wall near the roof. He was th e one who suggested double brick wall but ended up covering the window planes. When my BH was in operation the temp/hum at 1st floor 29/68. I complained. He then left the taps run. After a few weeks I went and check and my God the 1st floor was flooded & my NP at Grd flr got mouldy. After a few complained he promised to change all the affected NP but ended up just wipe off with a pc of cloth. So irresponsible. Initially and accordingly to him, my BH is OK cos just 12 weeks in operation there are 6 traces of nests (some already have the shape) & 12 piles of shits. 5 mths - 12 full nest (all in 1st flr). Operated using all natural ways - no high tech. But the growth is very slow now. 9 mths now only 22 nests. Made a manual count fr 7 to 7.45 pm only 51 swiftlets flew in. Now my problem is my once beautiful white nests are broken at the center. How come? Dear Sifus I am worried and please advise. Friends asked how come you have more nests on 1st flrand only 2 on grd flr. Birds prefer grd flr more as it is darker and cooler. How to increase the humidity? Now my Con sultant friend has place a self made humidifier but it didnt help much.

My grd flr is worst. No ventilation holes at all. Very stuffy smell. At the moment I have install a humidifier and the reading is 30/86 at this time of the yr. Only 2 nests. Last week found 3 dead birds at grd flr and 1 at 1st flr. Very sad lah.

My 2nd BH also not in hot spot is 3.5 mths. Also renovated by same Con sultant cos no choice. Double shophouse. Renovated only 1st flr. DK type. This time double brick wall. Temp/humidity OK cos this place is much cooler. Also kosong roti - no aroma, no humidifier. Recorded a few patches of shits 3 weeks ago - very happy and left hurriedly. Last Sunday went to check again and I almost fainted. I have left 2 flourescent lights on for 3 weeks (day & night) and all my new visiting birds have left me high and dry. I am lost for words. I need help badly. How to lure back those birds? Real helpless. Please help. Thanks and hope this time I am able to post this message.

Wowww a flash back of 50 years old 'theory' as town a so called core birds santuary, why not you flash back a hundred years old story a cave as birds santuary.

Mr west wing i respect you as a senior forumer over here but by quoting "So, the story is that the birds choose to stay in town first and later, we only provide them with more areas to stay. Why don't they stay in desa 50 years ago and I can only think that the swiftlets feel safe in town."

Let me remind you at early stage birds visit town from their home cave coz near town got small jungle insect easily breed later they stay in town coz town has a building a nice hotel to stay but now less food near town nomore small tree all cut down even most of us in town chop down a tree at our own backyard so what to do birds travel far to desa near the jungle only for one good reason 'food' if they found a hotel over there no doubt they also stay if there no hotel after stomach full sure they fly back, human also the same to feed their children they travel away like indonesian or bangalore. a normal living thing maa. even willing to kill or get killed just a matter of food.

Many years ago, human being also lives in Jungle and caves....

then only recent years, human being now stays in town....



Many years ago, swiftlets stay in jungle n caves....

then only recent years, swiftlets decides to stay in abandoned town shops and then co-exists with human being....


Many years ago, human being n animals lives together in the jungle and caves..n lives happily after...

Many years later, we human being then think that we are super human and we have the right to kurung specific animals and put them in zoo for weekend entertainment.....

who is right ??..

who is wrong ??...

Diao......Those who don't eat beef, think that beef is smelly n stink !!!

and Those who eat beef, think that it is the best meat in the world !!!



come shoot me!!!...

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Scoop hills heap all swamp & lake cut trees poison grass nomore padi field raise new building houses shoplot & bungalow town getting bigger and bigger while kampong become town, ohh birds in town at the same time birds colonial also much bigger, do not worry birds we town farmers have a great solution for you simply take this carte du jour want a beefstick or a hotdog ? what a super natural oi birds choose which you like better you eat those bullet and kept alive.

Adios amigo

Please do not get upset over jungle first or town first..

It is analogical to arguing "chicken first or egg first"

When the civilization started in Mesopotamia & Babylon & China, the US was still an untouched jungle.

Jungle and town BHs should co-exist..It is a choice of life for our dear swiftlets..

However, jungle/cave/isolated/far-away-from-town BHs should not mess up with the town BHs, and vice versa.

We are free to choose our successful path and we should be allowed to stay together in harmony..

What right do we have over others? Is it simply because you come first then others should not?

Then what is the true meaning of free competition and free-market-enterprising?

Quote "Lampiran C : 2. Aktiviti perladangan burung walet perlu berada sejauh 100 meter dari kawasan perumahan terdekat" Unquote

This is bullshit.

I can't see the concrete ground behind this irrational & discriminatory requirement.

Why 100 meter? Why not 50 meter? or 10 meter? Might as well 10KM?
Why only perladangan burung walet? Why not perniagaan hiburan? Why not other types of business or farming?

Chicken first or egg first?

Ok, say if we start construct a BH 100 meter away from the residential areas, and some day some developers develop a township 99 meter away from you, now, the township should be relocated or your BH?

I think the local council will most probably remove your BH, because swiftlet ranchers are the minority, we are one against millions, that's why the justice will not & can never be always on our sides.

If they really want to impose this requirement, then they should ensure that after approving your BH, there should not be a single development 100 m away from you, and they should ask for the BH owner's consent before any development proposal is approved.

But, I can say 99% the developers will bulldoze thru this constraint, as it is utterly ridiculous to create this 100m zero development pocket/vacuum buffer zone here and there. Land is so limited and we cannot be afford to do such crazy thing!

Left or right also we kena!

So, it may end up that we would be fated to the predicament of being expelled .

Unless we do the BHs in the jungle, but just to remind that today's township is yesteryear's jungle, we never know when the jungle will be developed and turned into a township.

Sorry, recently mood is no good due to Johor backyard fire, can't help to slash harsh a bit here.

LET US LISTEN TO THE EXPERT...



http://www.jpvpp.gov.my/index.php?option=c...temid=1〈=en


Penternakan Burung Walit


Penuaian sarang burung Walit dari gua-gua secara komersal telah dijalankan sejak lebih 100 tahun dahulu di Malaysia. Hasil penuaian pertama adalah dari Gua Niah, Sarawak pada tahun 1878. sejak sedekad kebelakangan ini, pengusaha telah cuba menerokai halaman baru dalam penuaian burung Walit ini. Ianya dari perspektif perladangan yang berperikemanusiaan, mesra haiwan, ekonomi, lestari pada populasi burung Walit serta bersifat mesra alam berbanding cara tradisi. Spesis dan bilangan burung Walit telah banyak berkembang dan berhijrah dari hutan ke desa dan bermastautin di bandar. Semenjak itu, industri burung Walit ini telah berkembang.

Burung Walit berada di dalam Order Apodiformes bermakna tiada berkaki dan ini tidak berupaya di tanah. Burung ini mempunyai kuku mencengkam yang kuat. Burung ini cekap berterbangan di udara ( areal ability ) dan saiz burung Walit adalah kecil. Ukuran panjangnya adalah 13sm dan yang terkecil 7.5sm. burung Walit berkelompok besar dan suka pada kawasan di mana ada banyak cerok-cerok bukit dan gua. Ia membiak di dalam gua atau premis yang berkeadaan seakan-akan gua. Sesetengah spesis ini menggunakan ekolokasi ( echolocation ) seumpama kelawar, untuk terbang ( navigate ) dalam gelap.

Sarang burung Walit berharga dan diterokai sebab ianya mengandungi sedikit sahaja bulu atau bahan yang tidak boleh dimakan. Tuaian berjuta-juta ringgit dihasilkan setiap tahun di Malaysia daripada beberapa buah premis penternakan burung Walit.

Burung Walit dapat menyesuaikan diri dengan iklim dan habitat yang tertentu. Sarang burungb Walit adalah sarang burung yang paling dikagumi. Sarangnya tidak berliku-liku, berwarna-warni atau menawan. Masyhurnya sarang burung Walit disebabkan ianya adalah ramuan asas sup sarang burung di merata dunia.


Kehidupan ala-bandar:

Makanan asas burung Walit adalah serangga yang ditangkap semasa ia berterbangan. Aktiviti harian seterusnya, membuat sarang di antara batu-batan dan simen di dalam atau di sisi bangunan di Bandar dan kota raya. Burung-burung ini akan terbang pantas sambil mengkilas serta menebusi ruang udara di antara liku-liku jalan dan rumah mencecah dinding, mencelah antara ruang kecil dan terus terbang kea wan. Pada masa yang sama, ia akan mengeluarkan kicauan yang bernada tinggi ( high pitched ). Dari pandangan burung Walit pada pandangan aras terbangnya, dinding perumahan adalah seakan-akan ‘permukaan batu-batan’, dan ruang di antara dinding atau atap membuka peluang untuk membuat sarang di dalam ‘gua’. Oleh kerana persekitaran bandar sanagat sesuai dan selesa, ini menjadikan sedikit sahaja burung Walit yang membiak di habitat semulajadinya di hutan rimba.

Di dalam mencatatkan Amalan Baik Penternakan Haiwan, beberapa perkara diambil kira iaitu :

1. Keperluan fizikal dan perilaku haiwan pembiak dan bukan pembiak;
2. Perlakuan berperikemanusiaan;
3. Keselamatan manusia;
4. Keselesaan pengurusan haiwan, dan
5. Keuntungan yang baik bagi premis.

‘Lima Kebebasan’ , sebagai kayu pengukur bagi kebajikan haiwan adalah :

• Bebas dari lapar dan dahaga.
• Bebas dari ketidakselesaan, kehangatan dan fizikal.
• Bebas dari kesakitan, kecederaan dan penyakit.
• Bebas dari keresahan.
• Bebas mempamerkan perilaku dan fisiologi yang semulajadi.


Antara spesis Burung Walit

1. Collocalia esculenta cyanoptila.
2. Collocalia linchi dodgie.
3. Aerodramus fuciphagus vestitus.
4. Aerodramus fuciphagus amechanus.
5. Aerodramus fuciphagus fuciphagus.
6. Aerodramus maximus lowi.
7. Aerodramus maximus tichelmani.






So??..... ardious ur mama lah....SH!!!...

SHOOT ME!!....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 4 2009, 08:10 AM

yo bros / sis here. i'm in kinda a dilemma. Should i buy over a old bh? or start a new bh?
the old bh is about 3+ yrs old. the owner says there are about 1000+ nest? last time when i blur blur think 1000+ nest?

but only after e bro here told me to read V1 then i realize he's an CON-sultant too!!!! or issit possible???

and just like i had read, other bh owners are unwilling to share their experiences........ just like how olden ddays . when master teach their students something they will always keep 1 or 2 things to himself. thats y a lot of things werent pass down............ (sorry to say, but Chinese like myself are the main culprits)

*wats a bird call? how to do it? can any senior bros here send me a movie or something?

This post has been edited by A ZUO: Jul 4 2009, 09:14 AM

Buying 1000+ nest BH now the market price is 1 million plus, 1 nest 1 thousand, property cost no need pay as nest too many.
1000 nest 1 month minimum can harvest at least 1 to 1.5 kg = 3k to 4.5k
1 million interest in FD at the moment 1 000 000 X 2.5% = 25k or 2.08k a month
worth to buy or not you already know no need to ask.
new BH or old BH ? got idle money both also can buy la
consultant ? don trust 100%, the more famous the more can not trusted
five star BH ? no need at all, a succes BH no need much money to build if you are experienced.
Experience ? no pain no gain unless you lucky enough
Birdcall ? would not promise you anything
culprits ? not only chinese other races also same
3+yrs old 1000 nest consultant want to sell ? impossible unless something is not right............

This post has been edited by tongserseng: Jul 4 2009, 10:27 AM

Beautiful...beautiful...at last we hear alot of comments and plenty of disagreement....so we shall start a friendly debate on the issue for all friends here to share our points, right or wrong, at last, we all learn for at least I learn.

You are very correct that the birds were in the caves few hundreds years ago but then if you go further back, they are not even swiftlet but other type of bird entirely,whether a humingbird or an owl and evolve into a swiftlet (AF).....that's we need a professor to educate us on the evolution of swiftlets.

What's I mean is not that far away......just that why birds migrate into human's building in the first place and all posible because of predators in the cave which the biggest predator is human being. Instinct tell them to migrate to save their species and that's what I believe that why they migrate and then after so many years, they again evolved into a new species and even this new species have been evolved into many sub species which why we notice that our species are different from that of other countries. And for that reason, we want to our wildlife Department to remove them from protected species cos they are not the same species as the cave swiftlets.

So, when the birds started to migrate, they have migrated to only certain place in our town, that why I call it the core for the town EBN swiftlet (AF) which are now different from that of the cave's type which I am trying to emphasized. At the present time, the only way for the Desa or Eco park BHs to increase their bird's population is to allow the town BHs to maintain to ensure continues supply of large quantities of news birds to move into the Desa or Ecopark. Only then the Desa/Eco maybe or will be successful and only afew part will be and so there start a new core for the birds population, expanding outward either NSEW which will determine by the swiftlets themselve. If anyone can tell you that they can ensure that the birds will expand to a specific direction, he need not be here or giving any lecture on how to build a successful BH, he will be making billions building his own BHs and why waste time teaching you all on how to build BHs.

The only things that they can tell you are that which area is better, what conditions are more suitable or environment or what not but they can never give you 100% assurance of success; only better chances to succeed.....similar like my broker tell my to buy a certain share which he will tell me that this share will increase in a week....who is he??GOD??? During the good run, He was right on all the time in the past but the last time that he was wrong, gone are all my money.


Again as always, are my own humble opinions and comments on the matter of swiftlets and no offence intended at all.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 4 2009, 03:59 PM

If you really understand AF flying path, then you DO NOT have to change entrance. Get it right once an for all.

If a consultant has to change entrances a few times, then he is still NOT an expert yet. I have seen many using Indonesian Java island type entrance in Northern Malaysia and the results are not very encouraging. Each latitude has a certain flight preference.

AF hosting is really a science and if you get it right, the birds will come. It is not a game of chance.

Been there, done that, a couple of times.

Just my 2 sen and humble opinion.

This post has been edited by coolandy: Jul 4 2009, 07:57 PM

What is that?a researches by JPVPP or P** deparment?
By a Stu*** professor or by P**?
We only open a hole at my house and play some music,and the AF come into my house,we never give any food to AF.what wrong am i?
the AF come if self,we never force them to come stay our house,the hole is open 24 hour a day,they can fry back to cave any time also,who so call
Perlakuan berperikemanusiaan???????

When expert tell you that your old birds will stay at your BHs as long as they live? Correct but then not 100% and why? Like one very old friend told me that a 1st. guideline for swiftlets ranching sound alot like chicken breeding guideline but coming to think of it, there are some logic in it....birds are birds and by observing the mother hen behind your house, you will understand more about the swiftlets behaviors.

Swiftlets will lay their eggs in the location all their life like the mother hens do but then like the mother hens, if you prevent them from returning, they may move to another location. True or False, and let me give you a case history. A few years ago, I bought a BH having only 40 nests and during the same period, an old BH about 60 meters away having over 8K birds did some renovation and the renovation lasted for 3 months and what really happened was that my BH was having 40 tiny small BNs and after 3 months end up with more than 450 nests mostly over 3 fingers big. Just tell me where did the big adult birds that make my hugh nests came from?

This is just to share some of my old happenings and hope that will help you to manage your BH better.